Mentality of JOs & SOs
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I was with a small group of JOs recently for NDP.
And one young sergeant has this comment:
'I don't mix with SOs.'
The young sergeant was also in the midst of guiding the group away from the path of the SOs cos he does not want to walk face in with the SOs.
SOs are humans too, they also wouldnt mind having JOs to count as their friends. Especially a friendly face that can say hi to them as and when they are off duty.
Why are SOs so discriminated?
Is it the JOs are worried that if they are seen talking to a SO, they will be labeled as apple polisher by their peers? -
so serious....
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then i believe he should not be an officer at all in the first place
remove the rank, and the uniform, we're all human underneath. -
I also dont talk to SO... as a friend it is ok.. but when talking to them it is like talking to two different worlds... more like Q&A session..
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yah, i noe wad u meant...Originally posted by houndy:I also dont talk to SO... as a friend it is ok.. but when talking to them it is like talking to two different worlds... more like Q&A session..
u salute the rank, not the man. -
SOs are supervisor, all they do is to command JOs to do this and that. Do wrongly, kana f**k upside down. and all they do is seat in office to shake leg.
and look at the pay difference. how come JOs do more hard work than SOs. If SOs, use more brain, how come we can see SOs, so free the seat at canteen for a few hours, why are they not in office thinking how to improve the suitation?? -
U already say mah.
They all sit there and shake leg and dont borther to improve the JOs situations.
How would they know the situations when they were not made to feel the pain of their friends cum JOs?
As things don't happen to them or to their friends, how to feel the urge to improve? And improve what?
These SOs are limited to their office 4 walls. Friends like JOs, with their eyes on the ground, can see more and even devise out practical solutions.
Without your friendly inputs to them, how are they able to supervise and lead with practical action plans?
My point being: Why is JOs only willing to receive a down ward communication from SOs when they can position themself to give/receive communications on the same level as SOs friend. -
Communication works when it is two ways, up to down and down to up. However in all place where ranks play a part, this does not work. if upper management ask u to do something, u dont, u already had commited a offence. So therefore this type of communication does not work. I really would like the upper management to understand the suitation, we try to talk to them personally, however they just dont wish to have shit on them ,and they choose to ignore us. and most JOs give up talking to SOs when they had tried many times.Originally posted by viciouskitty74:U already say mah.
They all sit there and shake leg and dont borther to improve the JOs situations.
How would they know the situations when they were not made to feel the pain of their friends cum JOs?
As things don't happen to them or to their friends, how to feel the urge to improve? And improve what?
These SOs are limited to their office 4 walls. Friends like JOs, with their eyes on the ground, can see more and even devise out practical solutions.
Without your friendly inputs to them, how are they able to supervise and lead with practical action plans?
My point being: Why is JOs only willing to receive a down ward communication from SOs when they can position themself to give/receive communications on the same level as SOs friend. -
cant say they sit around shake leg... they work extra hours.. attend meetings on the off days and stuff.. so it comes with the work load and responsibility..
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Interesting that its a VSC who brings up this issue, although I am not exactly surprised by that either.
I have seen my fair share of similar situations, and yes, the comments made here are hardly earthshaking too.
I often wonder if its more an issue of individual personality or the organisation. Communication obviously isnt always subversion, nor does it have to be an interrogation. That said, communication isnt exactly merely a this and that column in the ST forums page either.
Get what I am trying to say? -
huaiwei.
actually......i was going 'huh???'
with a lopsided lifted mouth.
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I wouldnt quite agree on the management top down communication.
Guess its becos of working elsewhere in the private sector. From americanised to japanese companies.
And VSC do have more contacts with all levels of SPF. So I didnt quite see the point of limiting your verbal skills to just among your peers.
And even with peers. Individual is unique with their unique IQ and EQ. And not everyone is equal.
Some would understand, some may not. But its worth a try in a personal sense to discuss and listen objectively. -
Haha that difficult to comprehend meh....Originally posted by viciouskitty74:huaiwei.
actually......i was going 'huh???'
with a lopsided lifted mouth.
Whatever the case, I do find it rather humurous everytime (and it does happen quite often) my regular counterparts would tell me...next time when you become SO, PLEASEEE dont be like XXXXX. -
become SO also has to shit and pee right.
So what are they hoping you dont turn into? -
let me guess, foxtrot?
the head?
he was already nasty as a JO. Even worse as a SO.
dont say i say wan. -
you from Foxtrot??Originally posted by viciouskitty74:let me guess, foxtrot?
the head?
he was already nasty as a JO. Even worse as a SO.
dont say i say wan. -
Wah...what head??Originally posted by viciouskitty74:let me guess, foxtrot?
the head?
he was already nasty as a JO. Even worse as a SO.
dont say i say wan. -
Value of Letting Go Preconceptions
A Zen master is called on by the governor.
His attendant presented a card which had his name followed by "Governor of Kyoto."
"I had no business with such a person," said the master, "tell him to get out of here."
The attendant returned the card with apologies.
"That was my error," said the governor, and scratched out his title.
"Please ask to see the master again."
"Oh, it's him," exclaimed the master when he saw the card, "Let me see him."
When the governor presented himself as governor, he was very far from the Dharma.
When he presented himself as he was in the moment, free of an image, free of concept,
he was just with what was happening and able to meet the master.
Being able to relate to others with no image boundaries makes dynamic interactions possible.
Often, we put ourselves and others into little mental boxes or compartments -
"Somebody is this way or that way, I know where they're at!"
We relate in a very static way through the veil of concept (perception).
Everything is changing in each moment;
our minds, our bodies, the situation around us.
To stay fluid, to stay clear of concepts and self-images, allows for these changes to be seen,
and our understanding in relationships remains open and unencumbered.
- Abridged from - The Experience of Insight: A Simple Guide to Buddhist Meditation (Joseph Goldstein) -
Nope.....but VSC has a wide contact base everywhere.Originally posted by doghouse837:you from Foxtrot?? -
don tell u untill you buy me teh halia.Originally posted by huaiwei:Wah...what head??
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Haha and how am I supposed to do that to a webname?Originally posted by viciouskitty74:don tell u untill you buy me teh halia. -
So are you a C-Course trainee liao?Originally posted by huaiwei:Haha that difficult to comprehend meh....
Whatever the case, I do find it rather humurous everytime (and it does happen quite often) my regular counterparts would tell me...next time when you become SO, PLEASEEE dont be like XXXXX.
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there is such a thing as private messenging me your contact numbersOriginally posted by huaiwei:Haha and how am I supposed to do that to a webname? 
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Haha...I wish siah. As most people already in the force always say....Originally posted by cornyfish2000:So are you a C-Course trainee liao?
"Try...try again!"
Ok fine...lets see how long more I can stay unemployed.
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I think you asked a great question. It keeps our mind thinking though! Sometimes we tend to be afraid of our bosses (SO).Originally posted by viciouskitty74:I was with a small group of JOs recently for NDP.
And one young sergeant has this comment:
'I don't mix with SOs.'
The young sergeant was also in the midst of guiding the group away from the path of the SOs cos he does not want to walk face in with the SOs.
SOs are humans too, they also wouldnt mind having JOs to count as their friends. Especially a friendly face that can say hi to them as and when they are off duty.
Why are SOs so discriminated?
Is it the JOs are worried that if they are seen talking to a SO, they will be labeled as apple polisher by their peers?
- Afraid that we might say wrong things.
- Maybe afriad that we may get aimed, etc.
To me when i was a trainee some of the SO's really hold their heads so high up esp the 'Direct entry SOs' so perhaps thats when they problem starts. But after all they worked their way though it! Hmm they are still our bosses. What to do?
Its the mindset of people we cannot change them only they themself can change it! =)