Volunteer Special Constabulary
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Hehe....which is why we arent exactly well-regarded most of the time?Originally posted by loonyloony:Its Voluntarily work just like instead of volunteer to help the poor they chose to serve the public!
Well its their passion and commitment to the work that counts! You will be surprised that some VSC's can work better than the regulars or NSF!
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Either we turn out to be a hassle for being useless (whether by choice or otherwise), or we spoilt the market for our regular counterparts. The SCs obviously dont give a damn most of the time. 
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For grads might be INSP/ASP also mah...Originally posted by huaiwei:No need to tell us that....its all CPL wat.
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I dont agree with the last line! Not all SC's "don't give a damn"Originally posted by huaiwei:Hehe....which is why we arent exactly well-regarded most of the time? Either we turn out to be a hassle for being useless (whether by choice or otherwise), or we spoilt the market for our regular counterparts. The SCs obviously dont give a damn most of the time.
Well if there was a choice like the reg and VSC some would prefer to come SPF instead of choing for nothing in SAF!!!
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Hi
I hv gone for VSC written test and now they hv called me to go for the interview (01.08.05).
During the written test, there were about at least 50 of us (males and females) and the thing is I seen some uncles with pot bellies and one or two looks like gangster-type.
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No loh. All will get CPL irregardless of whether you have O levels or a PHD.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:For grads might be INSP/ASP also mah... 
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Haha..of coz, but when it comes to opinions on VSCs, its a fact that NSFs have no major reason to be bothered about it.Originally posted by loonyloony:I dont agree with the last line! Not all SC's "don't give a damn"
Well if there was a choice like the reg and VSC some would prefer to come SPF instead of choing for nothing in SAF!!!
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As for the choices thing....well, most VSCs are volunteering to do VSC work on top of serving their reservist obligations with the SAF! -
The pre set criteria is to simply pass the written as well as the medical test.Originally posted by hunter:Hi
I hv gone for VSC written test and now they hv called me to go for the interview (01.08.05).
During the written test, there were about at least 50 of us (males and females) and the thing is I seen some uncles with pot bellies and one or two looks like gangster-type.
May I ask what are the chances for being selected? Any pre set criteria?
As long as you are fit and ready to take on the training. There is no discrimination for your appearance. -
Looks like you have to be active in this post liao.... cause i might not be able to help much...Originally posted by viciouskitty74:The pre set criteria is to simply pass the written as well as the medical test.
As long as you are fit and ready to take on the training. There is no discrimination for your appearance. -
I find it strange that regular POs generally know next to nothing about VSCs unless they bother to go find out for themselves, or they were unlucky enough to encounter us during duty or whatever similar situation. Isnt it in the interests of POs to go encourage people to join as VSCs? Hmm....
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No, its not that we dont know... Cause apart from have the same police powers, we have nothing in common... We do share around job experiance rather then department experiance which is quite irrelevant...Originally posted by huaiwei:I find it strange that regular POs generally know next to nothing about VSCs unless they bother to go find out for themselves, or they were unlucky enough to encounter us during duty or whatever similar situation. Isnt it in the interests of POs to go encourage people to join as VSCs? Hmm....
well, of cause when people ask, we will be glad to help them out as in Minimium hours to perform per month, how long is the training at PA, what is the rate per hours, etc etc... As for encouraging people to join the Police force... its better to leave it to career fair or booth setup for recuitment...
We are no one to start saying : hey, i think your way of handling things suit to be a police officer? or want to be in an extraordinary career? That its why this forum is setup to help out? be it useful or not? -
dun believe that even PhD get CPL... that is way too exagerated...Originally posted by huaiwei:No loh. All will get CPL irregardless of whether you have O levels or a PHD. -
For VSC, it is such.Originally posted by hmsg:dun believe that even PhD get CPL... that is way too exagerated...
Promotions are based on commitment and capability than your education level.
And all trainees of VSC are assessed from zero up. Meaning....your commitment for the training schedule, your ability in the written and practical test.
And upon graduation from VSC training. You start off as a Corporal due to your hours commited during training.
Irrespective of your age, your educational level & whatever job title you have as a civilian.
All volunteers starts off from the same. Its your later commitment, performance and capabilities or contributions that will count for your next promotion to a higher rank.
Personally: You can be a PHD for all I care. But when you can't work as a PO. You are useless to the public and to your patrol mates and a possible danger to me, as this time.....you will be carrying a weapon. -
No...the prescribe/instructed general interest of the POs are to encourage folks to sign on as regular POs. Not the VSC.Originally posted by huaiwei:I find it strange that regular POs generally know next to nothing about VSCs unless they bother to go find out for themselves, or they were unlucky enough to encounter us during duty or whatever similar situation. Isnt it in the interests of POs to go encourage people to join as VSCs? Hmm....
Ex POs or Ex NS are encourage to join as VSC so as to more put to use their experiences which they gatherred during their service period instead of losing their experiences to time waiting for their reservist.
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No problem. I can only also offer this much.Originally posted by qazplm:Looks like you have to be active in this post liao.... cause i might not be able to help much...
Everything all depends on the individuals that comes here to find out information.
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Well, but it is a fact that most POs really know that little about VSCs, including even the number of hours we need to commit every month. I enjoy seeing the way their eyes widen when they ask how long our training period is. I got a better sense of just how "unknown" VSCs are other then by name amongst regular POs for the past month when I volunteered for the IOC as well as NDP duties, and got to know plenty of officers beyond my own NPC. The POs from NPCS with no VSCs are particularly comical, almost according us "rare specie" treatment for the fact that they know so little about us.Originally posted by qazplm:No, its not that we dont know... Cause apart from have the same police powers, we have nothing in common... We do share around job experiance rather then department experiance which is quite irrelevant...
well, of cause when people ask, we will be glad to help them out as in Minimium hours to perform per month, how long is the training at PA, what is the rate per hours, etc etc... As for encouraging people to join the Police force... its better to leave it to career fair or booth setup for recuitment...
We are no one to start saying : hey, i think your way of handling things suit to be a police officer? or want to be in an extraordinary career? That its why this forum is setup to help out? be it useful or not?
Then again, maybe this ignorance prevails only in my division? Hopefully...haha.
I was refering to POs encouraging individuals to join the VSC. Of coz I am not expecting them to go round pushing the idea across. But if they happen to know of individuals who appear to suit the "job", but who didnt know that VSCs exist, why not highlight this to them? And if we have SCs who are about to ORD, or regulars thinking of making a career switch, why no open suggestions of the VSC as a possible organisation to join when they move on in life? (I do have these people mentioning to me personally about their intentions or considerations in joining the VSC thou.)
In other words, I do find it strange that POs are not doing this most of the time. they are probably the best embassadors for this, and the only time I actually saw a PO "promoting" the VSC was when a PO from Queenstown NPC decided to bring along some VSC flyers for distribution when we had a joint CSSP exhibition with NUC NPSS at NUS!
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But I dont get what you mean by "prescribe/instructed general interest". Is there any rule/guideline/SOP/ etc dictating that POs cannot help promote the VSC? If this view prevails, then does it not present a institutional huddle which inhibits the growth of this organisation, a huddle which does not have much reason to be there?Originally posted by viciouskitty74:No...the prescribe/instructed general interest of the POs are to encourage folks to sign on as regular POs. Not the VSC.
Ex POs or Ex NS are encourage to join as VSC so as to more put to use their experiences which they gatherred during their service period instead of losing their experiences to time waiting for their reservist.
POs does it for a career. VSC does it as a hobby. There is different mindset and career planning.
And I dont see how "mindsets" should be a huddle either. Yes, joining the SPF as a regular or a VSC does mean quite diferent priorities in life, but both have a common objective. As I alluded above, a strong VSC staffed by capable and committed individuals is surely a boon rather then a bane to the SPF in general, provided of coz the institutional structures allow these talents to be utilised in a productive and optimal manner, something I personally think the VSC still has some way to go. But thats besides the point. If a PO knows of someone who is happy with his employment as a non-PO, but who displays potential in policing and national security issues, yet knows little or nothing about VSCs, I just dont see why this PO should subsribe to any "prescribed general interest" in thinking that joining the SPF as a regular for this individual is always the best option for him, and hence push the idea of switching jobs instead of dropping the idea of joining as a VSC instead?
Why? What wasted opportunity!
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That was very nice long in depth stuffs you typed.
I can only hope your passion for police work does not fizzle out in 2 years time.
I believed I've already typed on top which could go something like:
To talk, to be interested is one thing.
To really commit to volunteer is something else.
And its not something you may be prepared to understand as yet. Give yourself some more time in the VSC to understand why some do what they do, why some make it their career to do what they do and why some are not recommended to do so.
And POs are not aware of what VSCs does in terms of training and recruitment. They were not provided the experiences nor the training or the know how as its frankly not really their business.
You however, are living testimony of what a VSC is about. Keep up the good work of helping to let others knows of the VSC.
And for the POs, even if they were not aware of what VSC has to go thru. They only try to recruit those that are worth keeping, and these recruits, are usually Ex-Regulars/PNS/VSC which does not require to go thru the lengthy Basic Training.
In other words, if POs recruit, they will request to take in those they can trust to work well. No anyone from the street that can easily dropped out of the VSC at the slightest difficulties.
Take your own Orientation/Swearing In ceremony and measure against the actual passing out. How many of you can say you made it?
And the VSC training is still less then 1/8 of what normal PO training is about. We can say we trained for 9 months....but once you minus out the days and the hours......we are more like NPCC of 4 years of Secondary School. -
There is no written rule. We are just not paying the POs to recruit. We have our own VSC Recruitment Unit and they are already overworked/volunteered as it is.Originally posted by huaiwei:But I dont get what you mean by "prescribe/instructed general interest". Is there any rule/guideline/SOP/ etc dictating that POs cannot help promote the VSC? If this view prevails, then does it not present a institutional huddle which inhibits the growth of this organisation, a huddle which does not have much reason to be there? -
I guess promoting VSC or joining SPF or whatever it is should really be left to the individual - can't just over-generalise and say that POs don't know about the VSC etc. or that more POs should promote the VSC. Some don't even like their jobs - promote VSC / joining SPF??!Originally posted by huaiwei:But I dont get what you mean by "prescribe/instructed general interest". Is there any rule/guideline/SOP/ etc dictating that POs cannot help promote the VSC? If this view prevails, then does it not present a institutional huddle which inhibits the growth of this organisation, a huddle which does not have much reason to be there?
And I dont see how "mindsets" should be a huddle either. Yes, joining the SPF as a regular or a VSC does mean quite diferent priorities in life, but both have a common objective. As I alluded above, a strong VSC staffed by capable and committed individuals is surely a boon rather then a bane to the SPF in general, provided of coz the institutional structures allow these talents to be utilised in a productive and optimal manner, something I personally think the VSC still has some way to go. But thats besides the point. If a PO knows of someone who is happy with his employment as a non-PO, but who displays potential in policing and national security issues, yet knows little or nothing about VSCs, I just dont see why this PO should subsribe to any "prescribed general interest" in thinking that joining the SPF as a regular for this individual is always the best option for him, and hence push the idea of switching jobs instead of dropping the idea of joining as a VSC instead?
Why? What wasted opportunity! 
My friend told me that sometimes VSC work seems interesting in part because they can choose what they want to do eg. volunteer for IOC / NDP or special raids / patrols. For regulars whatever function / raid / duty small or big if kena arrow then no choice no choice. So I guess POs have more incentive getting people to join the regular core - more manpower to share the bo pian work.
Many VSCs are enthusiastic of course, but I think the true test will come when you actually have to do the bo pian work - can you still do it with the same degree of enthusiasm? I think that's the gap which separates VSCs and regulars. Of course some regulars will do the work half-past six and half-heartedly but I think they would still do it - no choice, government can punish, can cut salary etc.
No matter how many similarities there are in terms of uniform and policing powers the huge difference is that you can't compel volunteers whereas police officers must do certain duties. Certainly some VSCs are very committed, but no need to prove / argue that VSCs are as good as / on par with regulars - just acknowledge that there's a difference. I think the cross-over VSCs who became regulars can attest to that if there are any on this forum. -
To add on to the previous post, another reason POs are not so enthu about promoting VSC could be because ultimately it's more acceptable for a regular officer to get injured in the line of duty. Not so acceptable in the eyes of the public for a volunteer to get injured. So some POs might feel that they have to protect the VSCs they patrol with and might deem it an extra liability.
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Thank you snake.
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So are VSC an asset or liability?
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Depends on the particular person. And depends on what you mean by liability. If Jackie Chan joined VSC (police story!) could be an asset but if he drives police cars like his evo IX then could be a liabilityOriginally posted by chowwaikein:So are VSC an asset or liability? (to the govt for all the bald tyres). -
For those that cleared the necessary screenings, interviews and medical check up.
The 62nd intake VSCs is to be sworn in on 29 August 2005 at TRACOM.
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if got rejected will get letter also?