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btw, for overseas trip like brunei, taiwan etc, take wad plane?
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Either chartered, commercial or C130.
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...Originally posted by f50_vapor:btw, for overseas trip like brunei, taiwan etc, take wad plane?
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ok la... i mean overseas training? haha
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If u're an infantry cadet, u'd be riding the helicoptor in brunei too..
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no la..not necessarily must take chopper wan la..
It was Alpha wing that time garang, siao on think going for ops..so take chopper to Brunei for JCC
Others just take planes la.. -
Oh no, from singapore go brunei of course take plane lah..Originally posted by CKtalon:no la..not necessarily must take chopper wan la..
It was Alpha wing that time garang, siao on think going for ops..so take chopper to Brunei for JCC
Others just take planes la..
u mean alpha took chopper to brunei? -
that's wat I heard from the driver when I was at my section field camp..
He was grumbling -
Anybody wanna elaborate on the Sword of Honour SOH and Sword of Merit SOM?
How exactly they evaluate potential SOH/SOMs? I heard the cadet sergeant major and the cadet commander have the highest chances of getting it.. but how do you get into those positions in the first place?
I heard those with SOHs/SOMs might get early promotion to LTA, is that true? -
Usually the Cadet WSM and the Cadet WC are appointed to that role by the WC himself. He gets feedback from his PCs on which cadet they want to evaluate on a more serious basis and put them in such appointments.Originally posted by mdfjami:Questions on SOH and SOM and Cadet WSM and Cadet WC.
I wouldn't say that they are sure shot for SOH or SOM. Sometimes, they reveal their colours during this period and lose much of the respect which got them into that position in the first place.
I don't think there's such a thing as quicker promotion to LTA. Its usually 1 year. However, I did have a pal who commissioned with LTA as he was a graduate. We still take him as one of the guys though. Not that it makes it special or anything. -
SOH=top cadet in the entire cohort(so for AST batch..it can be easy..since it will end up with only Alpha wing..smaller bunchOriginally posted by mdfjami:Anybody wanna elaborate on the Sword of Honour SOH and Sword of Merit SOM?
How exactly they evaluate potential SOH/SOMs? I heard the cadet sergeant major and the cadet commander have the highest chances of getting it.. but how do you get into those positions in the first place?
I heard those with SOHs/SOMs might get early promotion to LTA, is that true?
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SOM = top 20% of the cohort
Being a wing appointment holder will not have the highest chance..
The highest chances are the CADET SCHOOL COMMANDER, CADET SSM, CADET DY COMD..They are choosen based on recommendations by PCs/instructors..
performance(admin, field), peer appraisal..
Fitness also counts towards the score..
2LT Cecil from 53/03 OCC was SOH and best PT also..He was the cadet sch commander
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Every cadet is constantly assessed, graded and ranked at the end of every term in ocs, much like a class ranking.Originally posted by mdfjami:Anybody wanna elaborate on the Sword of Honour SOH and Sword of Merit SOM?
How exactly they evaluate potential SOH/SOMs? I heard the cadet sergeant major and the cadet commander have the highest chances of getting it.. but how do you get into those positions in the first place?
I heard those with SOHs/SOMs might get early promotion to LTA, is that true?
Cadet appointments give the instructors a chance to assess the cadet. Platoon appointments (CPC and CPS) are typically rotated among the cadets in the platoon so that most pple would have held a platoon appointment at least once in their time in ocs.
Wing appointments (CWC, CW2IC, CWSM) as well as (and especially) the school appointments on the other hand are truly reserved for the top-performers, to seive out the creme-de-la-creme. So its not that these pple have a higher chance of getting SOH/SOM becos of their appointment but rather they're already the top performers to start with.
And of course its not true that SOH/SOM get early promotion to LTA. But it is true that they are groomed to assume higher appointments (and rank, of course) for their reservist.
btw just out of curiosity, are u like new in ocs now? -
so what do they actually do, when holding the appointments..?Originally posted by CKtalon:SOH=top cadet in the entire cohort(so for AST batch..it can be easy..since it will end up with only Alpha wing..smaller bunch)
SOM = top 20% of the cohort
Being a wing appointment holder will not have the highest chance..
The highest chances are the CADET SCHOOL COMMANDER, CADET SSM, CADET DY COMD..They are choosen based on recommendations by PCs/instructors..
performance(admin, field), peer appraisal..
Fitness also counts towards the score..
2LT Cecil from 53/03 OCC was SOH and best PT also..He was the cadet sch commander
There's different epaulette ranks for the different appointments right? How do you tell the different between them?
And do they actually have an office, and get consulted on matters, or is it just a..."wayang" position? -
I did post about the appointments and what their job scope was some time back..Not sure where it isOriginally posted by mdfjami:so what do they actually do, when holding the appointments..?
There's different epaulette ranks for the different appointments right? How do you tell the different between them?
And do they actually have an office, and get consulted on matters, or is it just a..."wayang" position?
Ya..they have an office(not sure about the CSSM, CS2IC)..which is actually just a cadet bunk, without beds..Has tables, and a telephone.
I think whatever free time the CSC has, he's doing his CSC job..since with all the training and stuff, he won't be around most of the time to head the school
Ya..found it..
CSectComd - normal epaulette, but with a 3SG rank that they wear on the sleeves
CPS - normal epaulette, but with a 1SG rank that they wear on the sleeves
CPC - epaullete with one circle on top of the white bar
CSafetyO, CSportsO - rank with 1 white bar perpendicular to the other white bar(s)
CWSM - epaullete with a 2WO rank
CW2IC - same as CPC but with 1 white bar protruding out from the circle thingy
CWC - same as CPC but with 2 white bar protruding out from the circle thingy
If u see these but are gold color ranks, it's just their outfield ranks..But quite different
For CPS, its just a gold 1SG rank
For the Ex. PC, he will get a gold 2LT, LTA, or CPT rank..looks damn cool wan
For Cadet School Appointment
CSSM - epaullete with MWO rank - Gold colour
CS2IC - same as CWC but with a small white bar parallel to the normal cadet white bars, but on the other end of the epaullete
CSC - same as CWC but with 2 small white bars parallel to the normal cadet white bars, but on the other end of the epaullete
Their ranks turn BLACK when they go outfield
CSC: Run the school in a sense..but mainly is just to coordinate school events such as initiation of junior cadets, TST stuff, School Happy Hour, be there to coordinate commander's parade
The Cadet School 2IC just helps out..
CSSM: Be around mealtimes to ensure that cadets line up quietly and orderly manner..prevent cadets from cutting across the plants area(if u know)
Got the authority to scold and conduct punishments on cadets who do not adhere to a proper code of conduct..Seen the Alpha 53/03 CSSM blakan bu-sing a platoon marching off, and then give them pumping Laughing
CWC: Runs the wing, gives the instructions and timing to be at where and when..Coordinates with instructors..reports strength of wing, conducts area inspection later in the ST2 and pro terms, negotiate with instructors for welfare and for the fault of the wing..gets the brute of in the instructors nevertheless..
C2IC: Helps the CWC, most of the time in charge of setting the duties for the cadets like Cadet Duty Officer and Cadet Duty Specialist..In charge of the extras and stuff..
CWSM: The saikang manager..does the most in the wing..in charge of all stores required for any exercise..is the one to ensure that all the stores are loaded up to the tonners, and signs out from the store..very huge responsibility
In charge of discipline at the same time..
CPC: Manages the platoon, reports strength to CWC, answers to instructors for the platoon when things go platoon level
CPS: Helps the CPC, most of the time is the wan giving the drill commands and helps the CPC collect the strength..In charge of the indentation of meals of the platoon
CSecComd: Does minor stuff..helps the CPC, CPS in collecting homework, cash and stuff..
The CSOs (Cadet Assholes Laughing )
Cadet Sports Officer: Conducts morning 5BX mainly..warming up and cooling down too
Cadet Safety Officer: In charge of ensuring the water points, safety ice are consolidated, gives suggestions when any safety regulation could have been breached (for instance, one CSO told the instructors we couldn't do 5BX run since we didn't get 7 hours of sleep Laughing )
May not be fuly accurate though.. -
cannot agree with you more, the 2nd CSC made my wing do fatigue duty after CNY celebrations without going through proper chain of command, he tot he bigger than our Wing Comd,Originally posted by Si Geena:Usually the Cadet WSM and the Cadet WC are appointed to that role by the WC himself. He gets feedback from his PCs on which cadet they want to evaluate on a more serious basis and put them in such appointments.
I wouldn't say that they are sure shot for SOH or SOM. Sometimes, they reveal their colours during this period and lose much of the respect which got them into that position in the first place.
I don't think there's such a thing as quicker promotion to LTA. Its usually 1 year. However, I did have a pal who commissioned with LTA as he was a graduate. We still take him as one of the guys though. Not that it makes it special or anything.
Cause our wing Comd promised us our long wkend and straight to book out after CNY, we were rather dissed, then when our Wing Comd saw us packing the mess hall, he told us to fall in and had a "nice talk"with the CSC..he was almost reduced to tears ...
Well that was one of the moments in OCS, other than that, the CSC got rather poor peer review,infact no one in his wing liked him, rumours of him kicking his buddy out of his bunk so that he can attend to school matters more apporiately etc...oh well...he had quite a bad reputation that even his fellow platoon mates were amazed how he got the position.
But like the saying goes, it takes all sort of ppl to get the earth going -
Sounds like 51/03 OCC's SOH from Delta wing..
One of the 2Lts came back to give some lessons and said most of them were kind of surprised how he got the SOH -
is it ? hmm the one i refering too was from BEG cohort, i think 44/01 batch .he was from Echo WingOriginally posted by CKtalon:Sounds like 51/03 OCC's SOH from Delta wing..
One of the 2Lts came back to give some lessons and said most of them were kind of surprised how he got the SOH -
I was hoping to be the CSO so i can sit inside the rover and deploy marshallers and stuff.. but ended up being CWSM for my pro term.. knn
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The CSC from 44/01? Lee Yan Shu?Originally posted by one-niner:is it ? hmm the one i refering too was from BEG cohort, i think 44/01 batch .he was from Echo Wing -
51/03 Delta Wing SOH??? Leong Wei Hao?Originally posted by CKtalon:Sounds like 51/03 OCC's SOH from Delta wing..
One of the 2Lts came back to give some lessons and said most of them were kind of surprised how he got the SOH -
oh well ...think best not to put his name aye ?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:The CSC from 44/01? Lee Yan Shu? -
oh well ...think best not to put his name aye ?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:The CSC from 44/01? Lee Yan Shu? -
ya..that's wat some of the 2LTs saidOriginally posted by deathscythe99:
From what my ex PC said, the instructors tekan-ed him like siao before congratulating him on getting the SOH.. -
Read this, (future) officers of the SAF:
http://singaporearmystories.blogspot.com/2005/01/with-our-lives.html#comments -
juz one qns. wld u recomand one to go ocs? i think its like entering hell if u go there...