NS Enlist: PES E BMT @ Clerk/ Storeman Vocation Only, Right?
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Hi there, I will be enlisting to PES E BMT @ Kranji Camp 3 on 14 November 2012.
Reference: http://iprep.ns.sg/
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations.
1) What do I bring on Enlistment day?
2) Need to bring civilian clothes to stay in for 4 weeks? Will issue me NS clothes?
3) Do I need to shave my head "botak", as with recruits in Combat BMT?
4) Do I book out go home on Enlistment day itself or only on weekends?
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Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
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Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT.html
Types of Basic Military Training
PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.
PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.
PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.
PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations. -
Originally posted by MarcusNG:
Hi there, I will be enlisting to PES E BMT @ Kranji Camp 3 on 14 November 2012.
Reference: http://iprep.ns.sg/
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations.
1) What do I bring on Enlistment day?
2) Need to bring civilian clothes to stay in for 4 weeks? Will issue me NS clothes?
3) Do I need to shave my head "botak", as with recruits in Combat BMT?
4) Do I book out go home on Enlistment day itself or only on weekends?
Thank you.I think pes E also need to shave botak now.
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Prepare for PTP/BMT: http://iprep.ns.sg/
Secrets to Pass IPPT: http://lifestyle.www.ns.sg/features/fitnessxchange
Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
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Hello, fellow PES E soldier here:D
1) Don't have to bring anything. Just your IC will do. Everything will be issued on the 1st day.
2)You'll have zero stay-in throughout your BMT phase. No civilian clothes needed (except the one you're wearing on the 1st day). Every day book out!
3)You'll have to shave, as per the other BMT recruits in Tekong. But we only have to shave once in our entire NS life, so no worries!
4) You'll get to book out every day, like I said. Even on the enlistment day itself. You'll book out around 6-7ish every day, depending whether there's delay or not. Earliest I booked out during my BMT was 5+? Latest was around 7+.You'll have nothing to worry about for your PES E BMT. Have fun for the next 2 years!
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Sources:
1. www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/publications/cyberpioneer/news/2012/aug/31aug12_news.html2. www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2012/aug/31aug12_nr/31aug12_fs.html
From 1 Sep 2012, camera mobile phones will be permitted in designated areas within 14 Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) camps as part of a pilot security zoning programme.
Selected for the high volume of Operationally-Ready National Servicemen (NSmen) and full-time National Servicemen (NSFs) who pass through for training or administration, these include camps that house fitness conditioning centres, training institutes, the Central Manpower Base and Basic Military Training Centre.
Areas in camps where camera mobile phones are allowed are termed Green Zones, though the existing security stance on photography remains the same. Unless authorised by unit commanders for special events such as open houses, graduation parades and cohesion activities, photography is prohibited. Examples of Green Zones include medical centres, accommodation bunks and cookhouses.
Within the Red Zones, which are areas where sensitive and classified information is present, camera mobile phones are not allowed. Before entering a Red Zone, camera mobile phones must be deposited in lockers. Examples of Red Zones include units' operation rooms and offices with computer access to classified information.
The pilot programme was implemented for the convenience of servicemen, and because of the proliferation of smart phones, according to Chief of Staff-General Staff Brigadier-General Tung Yui Fai, who announced this initiative at the Infantry Training Institute (ITI) on 31 Aug.
He added: "This security zoning allows us to better secure areas we think we need to protect better. At the same time, it allows flexibility and convenience for our servicemen who operate within the camp."
Enhanced security measures will be in place at the Red Zones. Where practical, a perimeter fence will be erected to demarcate the Red from the Green Zones; clear signboards will be prominently displayed at the entrance of a Red Zone, and digital locks and close-circuit cameras will be installed for added security.
Only camera mobile phones are allowed in this pilot programme, which will last for six to nine months before a review is conducted. Tablets such as iPads, laptops and digital cameras are still prohibited.
For NSman 3rd Sergeant (3SG) (NS) Lavin Achudan, a marketing manager with Johnson & Johnson who uses an iPhone 4S to access his work emails, being able to bring his camera phone into camp eases his workload. Previously, he would borrow his brother’s basic NOKIA phone when he had to go for his In-Camp Training.
"As a marketing manager, I have to constantly reply to emails from my sales team and customers, and replying emails in the shortest time possible is my highest priority. Allowing me to bring my iPhone to camp allows me to communicate with my customers efficiently, and that is very important to me," said the platoon sergeant of 731st Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment.
"When I am not training, I can reply to these emails immediately, as opposed to having to wait till I book out at night to reply to emails. It allows me to reply whenever I have time... It's about the convenience of being able to bring in a phone which I always use, which happens to have a camera," added the 28-year-old.
Echoing this sentiment is 20-year-old NSF 2nd Lieutenant (2LT) Kok Chun Hou, who is a curriculum coordinator at ITI. He uses a basic NOKIA phone in camp and an iPhone 3GS outside of camp.
Citing some inconveniences of using two phones, such as having to input contacts into both phones, 2LT Kok said: "This current NSF generation grew up in the IT age; it's our habit to stay connected. We live, work and play differently from previous generations, so connectivity is very important to us."
"I would also use my smart phone for personal banking and stock-investing. With the implementation of the pilot scheme, I now have the option of just stepping out of the office to use my smart phone," he said.
==============================================================For the convenience of our servicemen, the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) will be implementing a pilot security zoning programme across 14 selected SAF camps. Under the pilot security zoning programme, these 14 camps will be segregated into two distinct zones: Red and Green Zone.
From 1 Sep 2012, servicemen will be allowed to carry camera equipped mobile phones into the Green Zones of the 14 selected SAF camps. For servicemen who need to enter the Red Zone, they must deposit their camera equipped mobile phones at designated lockers prior to entry.
Photography in all SAF camp premises for both Red and Green Zones remain prohibited unless expressedly allowed.
The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) will be implementing a pilot security zoning programme across 14 selected SAF camps on 1 Sep 2012. These 14 selected SAF camps will be segregated into either Red or Green Zone. Servicemen will be allowed to carry camera equipped mobile phones in the Green Zones. Possession of camera equipped mobile phone is prohibited in Red Zones. Before entering a Red Zone, servicemen who possess a camera equipped mobile phone are required to deposit them at the provided lockers.
Red Zones. Areas where sensitive and classified information and equipment are processed and managed. These areas may include server rooms, unit operation rooms, and offices with computer access to sensitive information. All other areas outside the Red Zone will be designated as Green Zones. Some examples of Green Zone areas are medical centres, accommodation bunks and cookhouses.
Enhanced security measures will be implemented in the Red Zone. Wherever practical, a perimeter fence will be established to segregate the Red and Green Zones. Clear warning signboards will be prominently displayed at the entrance to inform servicemen that they are about to enter a Red Zone. Digital locks will also be installed to control access into the Red Zones. CCTVs with images wired to the unit operations room will also be installed at selected locations within the Red Zone.
Photography in all SAF camp premises continues to be prohibited regardless of the zone.Diagram 1: Warning Sign Boards for Red and Green Zone
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Hi, I was just wondering, since I suffer from cerebal palsy, do I qualify for PES E or F?Cuz some of my relative say I don't have to serve NS, but others say I can do clerical work. And also, what do PES E recruits do? :)
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Well, it depends on the severity of any medical condition.
Saw before cerebal palsy serving NS as PES E clerk.PES E NSFs basically are clerks/ storemen.
Working hours are usually office hours, 8am to 5pm.
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1) Office hours are 8am to 5pm. Weekends are off days, unless you are roster rotation for schedule to be the duty clerk for the camp duty office for 24 hours a day to stay overnight.
2) NS Enlist Day Ceremony takes 1.5 hours, after that go orientation, off work 5pm/ 6pm.
3) Get NSF EZ-Link concession card from your Chief Clerk/ Officer-in-charge.
4) From 1 Sep 2012, camera mobile phones will be permitted in designated areas within 14 Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) camps as part of a pilot security zoning programme.
Selected for the high volume of Operationally-Ready National Servicemen (NSmen) and full-time National Servicemen (NSFs) who pass through for training or administration, these include camps that house fitness conditioning centres, training institutes, the Central Manpower Base and Basic Military Training Centre.
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On NS Enlist Day @ My 1st Day at NS
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Hi there,
I would like to know whether if I am PES C, E or F?
I am currently diagnosed with 3 heart conditions which are a Heart Murmur, Valve Leakage/Back Flow and Irregular Heat beats and I have a learning disability with is kind of severe which is Dyslexia. I sometimes see words opposite and the letters get mixed up sometimes or when I am nervous. I am failed NAPFA tests and a Australia Military Physical Standards Test. I fainted from a black out 2 times and a white out 1 time due to (lack of oxygen, cold sweat, can't see and shortness of breath). How do I prove to the SAF Medical board that I have these conditions, do I see a private and gov doctor to write a detailed report stating that I am unfit for national service due to list of reasons....
I have seen the DAS (Dyslexia Association of Singapore) for testing and observations and I have got a report but states that I am able to work beyond my capabilities despite of the conditon.
What do I do???
Thanks,
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.
The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT. -
Hi
I'm PES E1L9, enlisting 13th Feb, with excuse Firearms and excuse explosives/grenades.
Will I still get Security trooper with this? Hoping for clerk.....
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what is a security trooper? I guess those who provide arms secuirty at various installation...
If Pes E and excuse arms, guess you wont get that, as dont think they expect you to repel invader with you shouting "bang bang bang"
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Originally posted by "newbie":
what is a security trooper? I guess those who provide arms secuirty at various installation...
If Pes E and excuse arms, guess you wont get that, as dont think they expect you to repel invader with you shouting "bang bang bang"
Security Trooper jialat liao...
depends on which camp you posted to... some camps 8-5, other camps stay in 7 days, 4 days off, 3 days standby (8-5), and also got some camps 2 days in, 2 days out... will burn weekends and public holidays (also must do)
Job scope wise, may be shiong/lepak....
If you excuse prolonged standing, then shiok, but if not, prepare to do at least 6 hours of sentry duty (without arms) every day, including night duty....
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Originally posted by Joeltan111:
Hi
I'm PES E1L9, enlisting 13th Feb, with excuse Firearms and excuse explosives/grenades.
Will I still get Security trooper with this? Hoping for clerk.....
impossible. Security troopers are Pes A/B, fully combat fit soldiers.
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Originally posted by merkava4:
impossible. Security troopers are Pes A/B, fully combat fit soldiers.
No, u are wrong merkava4. there is a few vocations available for Pes E, Security Trooper, Clerk, Storeman, Medic and Hr Assistant at mindef. Pes E security troopers are those that have baton tied on their waist with a belt. they don't carry firearms. For Pes E Security Trooper its considered as (Service Side) while not on the (Combat Side).
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I myself am a Pes E Soldier. I am a 1 year soldier now. i got a few BMT mates working as Security Trooper in my camp as well.
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Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
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Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT.html
Types of Basic Military Training
PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.
PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.
PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.
PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations. -
Vocations that are service support category.
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Some Storeman are required to Stay-In. It depends on which Unit u go. Stay-In unit or Stay-Out unit
