My personal opinion is that it should not be more than 12 months or one year. For a country like Singapore where there is no immediate or proven threat to its security, it can reduce the term so that the males will be able to do what they want in their life as well as ensuring a less depressing state of mind for the parents. What are your views?
Our obstacles are not security-related or technological, but organisational.
Keep hearing about how much time it takes to train soldiers to operate equipment in a modern military. If Germans, the Swiss, French and Swedes can keep conscription under 6 months, and could do so during the Cold War, it only shows the SAF is unwilling to adjust their models. In addition, if certain high tech tasks take a long time to master, it only makes sense to place regular soldiers in these jobs. It is self-defeating and hypocritical to assign conscripts to these tasks, as they would lose proficiency in them once they are demobilized.
Our government does not deny that problems with its models exist. It believes its system is the world's best and the problems are not worth fixing. Singaporeans should be proud to shoulder the burden of these minor inconveniences no matter how un-minor they are.
Originally posted by Bestprelimpapers:My personal opinion is that it should not be more than 12 months or one year. For a country like Singapore where there is no immediate or proven threat to its security, it can reduce the term so that the males will be able to do what they want in their life as well as ensuring a less depressing state of mind for the parents. What are your views?
the people at top should go build robots to replace soldiers in form of war machinery that does autonomous decisions and advanced tech that primitive neighbours dont know how to do it due to ther lack of.......knowledge and hardwork.
Originally posted by Bestprelimpapers:My personal opinion is that it should not be more than 12 months or one year. For a country like Singapore where there is no immediate or proven threat to its security, it can reduce the term so that the males will be able to do what they want in their life as well as ensuring a less depressing state of mind for the parents. What are your views?
frankly i dont agree with cutting NS time anymore.. It will really really pull down our operationally standard.... It took me almost 15 months. then I consider I know what I am doing... anythg lesser, I feel is ridiculous...
Some country are cutting their enlistment time, maybe they can do it is because
1) they have a rather huge force of regular army, we dont have this
2) their NS mainly is defense roll, sg is too small to actually have a defense roll force
3) Their NS stay in for a long period of time, they only go back home once in a ard 2months.. our every weekend...This weekend going back disrupt training
4) limited land use, so units take turn to train and need to schedule overseas training...
so frankly anythg less then 18month of NS is simply ridiculous
Originally posted by alize:Our obstacles are not security-related or technological, but organisational.
Keep hearing about how much time it takes to train soldiers to operate equipment in a modern military. If Germans, the Swiss, French and Swedes can keep conscription under 6 months, and could do so during the Cold War, it only shows the SAF is unwilling to adjust their models. In addition, if certain high tech tasks take a long time to master, it only makes sense to place regular soldiers in these jobs. It is self-defeating and hypocritical to assign conscripts to these tasks, as they would lose proficiency in them once they are demobilized.
Our government does not deny that problems with its models exist. It believes its system is the world's best and the problems are not worth fixing. Singaporeans should be proud to shoulder the burden of these minor inconveniences no matter how un-minor they are.
singapore problem is the manpower factor..
In swiss the NS are issue Full battle order, include weapons.. exclude live ammo..
Their citizen, would buy a good cupboard or a store room to store their equipment and weapon and will frequently take it out to miantain.... frankly i really doubt a most singaporean will do that...
Sign on!
Originally posted by ditzy:Those who have not gone thru national service will ask for the time to be cut cut cut, and cut somemore, because they don’t know what is involved in training, and the scale of it.
Its so easy to say cut shorter, I also can say cut to 1 month. Geez. Kids.
those who went thru ns needs the salary to be higher while serving.those kinda sai ns salary meant for kids with no $$$$$.even people working in macdonalds in spore paid higher than that.
Originally posted by ditzy:Those who have not gone thru national service will ask for the time to be cut cut cut, and cut somemore, because they don’t know what is involved in training, and the scale of it.
Its so easy to say cut shorter, I also can say cut to 1 month. Geez. Kids.
i think u also need to cut supply of food supplied by army too.if japanese in ww2 can do that and their own troops DIY their own food then i dont see why spore should not cut food supply and DIY imperial japanese army style.
its japanese imperial army policy.u want to be soldier..then start behaving and acting like one.
2. STANDARD RATIONS
Contrary to the belief of some persons, the Japanese soldier does not live entirely on rice. To him, rice is a staple food, just as bread is to us; and, if he had only rice for his meal, he would be as displeased as we would be with only bread to eat. However, rice does constitute well over 50 percent of the Japanese soldier's diet.
Both polished and unpolished rice has been captured from the enemy. Polished rice is more common, probably because it can be preserved longer than unpolished rice. To increase the palatability of rice, the Japanese usually season it with a soy-bean sauce (shoyu) or miso paste, which is made of fermented soy beans and which is more commonly used for preparing soup.
U.S. rations weigh more and have a higher calorific value than the Japanese.
Although the Japanese have standard rations, they supplement these whenever possible with various foods obtained locally—even when standard rations are easily available. There have been many instances during the warfare in Pacific theaters when the enemy has run extremely low on rations, due to loss of shipping and successful United Nations attacks against the Japanese land forces.
As a general rule, the Japanese field ration in the South Pacific theaters of operations has not been standardized, but has varied from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 pounds per man per day. Theoretically, the field ration is approximately 1.5 kilograms (3.3 lbs.). Two types of specially packed field rations, "A" and "B," have been noted frequently. The "A" ration normally consists of 30.7 ounces of rice, 5.3 ounces of meat or fish, and a small amount of seasoning and flavoring. The "B" ration normally consists of 24.4 ounces of hard biscuits in three paper bags (enough for three meals), 2.1 ounces of meat or fish, and a small amount of seasoning (salt and sugar).
In New Guinea (June, 1943) a Japanese table of ration allowances listed three separate categories of issue:
Basic: 1.3 Kilograms (when transportation is adequate)
"A": 1.13 Kilograms (when transportation is difficult)
"B": .86 1/2 Kilogram (when transportation is very difficult)
Under the "A" ration, sweet potatoes, fresh vegetables, bananas, and papayas were to supplement deficiencies to the extent of .85 kilogram (524 calories), while under the "B" issue these local foods were to provide 1.8 kilograms (1,218 calories).
It is known that the Japanese use vitamin pills quite frequently as a part of their rations. Vitamin B is supplied in three forms: (1) tablets, (2) as a liquid, and (3) a tube of paste.
A "Polished Rice Combination Case" captured by U.S. forces on Bougainville Island contained 40 "portions" (mostly rice). The contents were packed loose in an air-tight tin case enclosed in a wooden crate. A single portion was calculated to include the following:
10 1/2 oz. of polished rice
1/2 oz. of dehydrated Miso paste
Vitamin B supplementary food
Vitamins A and D tablets
Powdered tea (to supply vitamin C)
A portion of fuel and matches.
Small extra amounts of all items were included so that the rations could be stretched or slightly increased. The fuel was in 3-ounce cans, one can being intended to cook two portions of rice.
The daily ration per man for the Japanese garrison on Kolombangara from April to July, 1943, was approximately as follows:
Polished rice ..... 1 lb. 7 oz.
Canned goods ..... 2.8 oz.
Dehydrated food ..... 2.8 oz.
Sugar ..... .7 oz.
Salt ..... .35 oz.
Pickles ..... .5 oz.
Soy-bean sauce ..... .07 pint
The garrison commander on Kolombangara in May issued an order which read: "Burdock, chopped seaweed, white kidney beans, sweet potatoes, and dried gourd shavings will be issued as dehydrated food. Canned goods will be issued mainly from broken boxes in order to get rid of the goods in the broken boxes. Since the fixed quantity of powdered soy-bean sauce and sugar is not available, they will be distributed proportionately from goods on hand."
Emergency air-crew rations found recently in a wrecked Japanese plane (New Guinea) included 20 ounces of unpolished rice and the following other items: puffed wheat, biscuits, a dried fish, two small bottles of concentrated wine (35 percent alcohol), some candy wrapped in colored cellophane, large salt tablets, and a portable water-purifying set. These items were divided among five transparent, water-proof bags.
Probably the most common type of Japanese canned food found to date in the South Pacific is compressed fish (principally salmon and bonito), which may sometimes require soaking and salting to make it palatable. Other items of Japanese food found included: pickled plums, dehydrated vegetables (beans, peas, cabbage, horseradish, burdock, seaweed), compressed barley cakes, rice cakes, canned oranges and tangerines, sake (rice beer), powdered tea leaves, slices of ginger, salted plum cake, canned beef, cooked whale meat, confections, and vitamin tablets.
On Makin Island, stored food found by U.S. troops consisted largely of rice, which was contained in heavy, woven rice-straw bags. It is interesting to note that after the bags were emptied they were filled with sand and used to protect underground shelters, defensive positions, and so forth. In addition to rice, our troops found considerable stores of canned fish (mostly salmon and sardines), meat, vegetables, fruit, and milk.
3. SUPPLEMENTARY RATIONS
The Japanese use a variety of methods to obtain supplementary rations, or food to meet emergencies. These methods include gardening, fishing (sometimes by use of dynamite), dealing with natives, and foraging by individuals and small groups.
The Japanese soldier has a fondness for sweets, which he usually gets in "comfort bags" sent from home. He also is issued sweets at certain times, along with a ration of sake. Such issues are usually made to coincide with a Japanese national festival or holiday.2
Honestly cutting more might as well scrap it...now the training already much easier and most of the nsf now...almost half fark etc. Even now, by the time u get familiar with your vocation, you almost going to ORDed liao.
We got even a rec trying to swim his way out of Tekong.
Now kids are soft.
since u folks are not doin a real combat,...why should u eat more as compared to japanese army!theyused that kind of food to win wars in china and south east asia.since u are not fighting with americans......that jap army diet seems enough for 2 years or more in spore ns!
they used that kinda food to break the french army in indo china.......the destruction of british might for hundreds of years back in 1941 !from india,burma,malaya to singapore.the british had many soldiers but their defence in navy was backwards and so was their airpower technology in asia.
even though their soldiers were 2 times taller than d japanese,british lost because of the poor technology they had as compared to the jap zero fighters and ships.
Russia cut to 1 year recently. 3 months basic training and service 6 days a week.
could this be the result of being kiasu?
kiasuism at your expense!only u would feel it...the rest at top is free to breathe easy and comfortably....no sweat.
redo the defence policy to technology side and regular troops with lesser ns duration time.
I agree that the duration of NS should be shortened.
18 months would be good.
3 months will be more than enough for men.
For people who wan to be commando, officer or whatever siao on vocation, they can volunteer to extend.
All the riflemen are already sleeping in the bunk most of the time after their initial courses. It is only wasting time and tax payer's money only.
Let this people's attitude be their own downfall.
Originally posted by alize:Let this people's attitude be their own downfall.
Agreed, one day people will see the folly of their policies.
Can't wait.