Hey all,
First of all, let me say this, I wanted to do NS, but only after I complete my university. I recently contacted MINDEF in order to ask what my chances of being able to defer my NS until I completed my 3 years of university. I was told that they were 'virtually zero', even if I had an offer from a University.
Now, I'm not a Singaporean citizen, just a PR and I've never gone to a government school here, just an International school, and we've never had expat status. I've recently recieved the letter telling me to register for my enlistment. I would like to know how I could go about completing my education and then giving up my PR. This has been compounded as I've recieved a conditional offer from my university.
Is it possible to register and then give it up? I'm worried that if I give it up now, I'll be forced to leave without being able to complete my exams in May (My final IB exams).
What process should I go through in order to be able to finish my exams in May, and then give up my PR status to go to University straight after?
Well unless u can get into medicine, even that u must enlist 1st before u can defer.
I think you better give up your PR.
Serving NS is by law and not a option you can move unless you are by some special surname.
The rest of the singaporean have to serve NS before they study.
What make you so special ?
So, my advice to you is drop the PR since you will defer reservist later, IPT later, RT later and maybe IPPT later.
This is the package if you want to be a SG PR.
If you cannot last, you dun waste your time and the army time.
Source: www.ns.sg
Under the Enlistment Act, NS-liable persons are enlisted at the earliest opportunity upon turning 18 years old. For those who are studying, MINDEF does allow some flexibility for them to complete their full-time studies up to the GCE 'A' Levels or Polytechnic Diploma (or their equivalent), both locally and overseas, before enlisting for NS. Those who have already embarked on their full-time studies but who do not meet the deferment conditions, will have to disrupt their studies and be enlisted for NS at the earliest opportunity scheduled by the Central Manpower Base (CMPB), including those who take up Singapore Permanent Residency in the midst of their studies.
Local Studies in Government Schools
GCE 'A' Level Studies and International Baccalaureate (IB) Studies
NS-liable persons will be granted deferment for GCE 'A' Level and IB studies (and their equivalent) at Junior Colleges/ Millennia Institute/ Integrated Programme (IP) schools if they are able to commence the course* before 19 years old (for Secondary 4 students) or 20 years old (for Secondary 5 students), as at 1st January of the course commencement year.
* For NS-liable persons who are pursuing their GCE 'A' Levels or IB in the IP schools, the deferment cut-off age will apply to the 5th year of study.
Exceptions may be considered for students who do not meet these deferment cut-off ages, but are able to gain admission into Junior Colleges/ Millennia Institute/ IP schools.
NS-liable persons who are returning from overseas and who wish to pursue studies in Junior Colleges/ Millennia Institute/ IP schools must seek prior approval from CMPB. They must do so before applying through the Ministry of Education (MOE)'s School Placement Exercise for Returning Singaporeans - Junior Colleges and Millennia Institute (SPERS-JC/MI), or before applying directly to the Junior Colleges/ Millennia Institute/ IP Schools. Persons who are deemed to have already attained a first education bar qualification (defined as GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications), be it locally or overseas, will not be granted deferment to pursue another first education bar qualification or another qualification below first education bar.
Persons who have failed their General Paper (GP)/ Knowledge & Inquiry (KI) or obtained less than 3 H2 passes (excluding KI) in one sitting of the GCE 'A' Level examination will be considered for further deferment to repeat their GCE 'A' Level studies on a full-time basis, subject to one repeat only. Persons who have failed to attain the IB qualification will also be considered for further deferment to repeat their IB studies on a full-time basis, subject to one repeat only.
Polytechnic Diploma Studies
NS-liable persons will be granted deferment for Polytechnic Diploma studies and its equivalent qualifications (e.g. courses at the Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts (NAFA) or the LaSalle College of the Arts) if they are able to commence the course before 19 years old (for Secondary 4 students) or 20 years old (for Secondary 5 students), as at 1st January of the course commencement year.
NS-liable persons who graduated with NITEC/Higher NITEC qualification from ITE Colleges will be granted deferment for Polytechnic Diploma studies and its equivalent qualifications if they are able to commence the course before 21 years old as at 1st January of the course commencement year. Applications for deferment from ITE graduates who are above 21 years old as at 1st January of their course commencement year will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
NS-liable persons who are returning from overseas and who wish to pursue Polytechnic Diploma studies and its equivalent qualifications must seek prior approval from CMPB before applying for their intended course of study. Persons who are deemed to have already attained a first education bar qualification (defined as GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications), be it locally or overseas, will not be granted deferment to pursue another first education bar qualification or another qualification below first education bar.
Institute of Technical Education (ITE) Diploma Studies
NS-liable persons who completed NITEC or Higher NITEC studies at ITE Colleges, will be granted deferment to pursue the Technical Engineer Diploma (TED) or Technical Diploma (TD) programmes at ITE Colleges if they are able to commence the course before 21 years old, as at 1st January of the course commencement year. They will be granted deferment to complete the academic phase only, and will be enlisted for full-time NS at the earliest opportunity upon completion of the academic phase. Deferment will not be granted for work attachments and internships. Applications for deferment from ITE graduates who are above 21 years old as at 1st January of their course commencement year will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
NS-liable persons who are returning from overseas and who wish to pursue ITE Diploma studies must seek prior approval from CMPB before applying for their intended course of study. Persons who are deemed to have already attained a first education bar qualification (defined as GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications), be it locally or overseas, will not be granted deferment to pursue another first education bar qualification or another qualification below first education bar.
NITEC and Higher NITEC Studies
NS-liable persons will be granted deferment for NITEC or Higher NITEC courses at ITE Colleges if they are able to commence the course before 19 years old (for Secondary 4 students) or 20 years old (for Secondary 5 students), as at 1st January of the course commencement year.
NS-liable persons who graduated with NITEC qualification from ITE Colleges will also be granted deferment for Higher NITEC courses if they are able to commence the course at ITE Colleges before 20 years old, as at 1st January of the course commencement year.
NS-liable persons who are returning from overseas and who wish to pursue NITEC or Higher NITEC studies at ITE Colleges must seek prior approval from CMPB before applying for their intended course of study. Persons who are deemed to have already attained a first education bar qualification (defined as GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications), be it locally or overseas, will not be granted deferment to pursue another first education bar qualification or another qualification below first education bar.
GCE 'O' and 'N' Level Courses
NS-liable persons will generally be granted deferment to pursue GCE 'O' and 'N' Level studies at government, government-aided or independent secondary schools.
An extension of deferment may be granted for those who wish to repeat their GCE 'N' or 'O' Level studies on a full-time basis, subject to one repeat only.
Local Private Courses
NS-liable persons who graduated before September 2011 may be granted deferment to pursue full-time studies (up to the GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications) at private institutions registered with the Council for Private Education (CPE), if they are able to commence the course before 18 years old, as at 1st January of the course commencement year. NS-liable persons graduating from September 2011 onwards may be granted deferment to pursue full-time studies (up to the GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or equivalent qualifications) at private institutions registered with the CPE, if they are able to commence their courses before 19 years old (for Secondary 4 students) or 20 years old (for Secondary 5 & ITE students), as at 1st January of the course commencement year. The higher cut-off age will apply to courses commencing from 1st January 2012 onwards.
Deferment for private courses will be considered on a stage-by-stage basis (i.e. a Certificate course and a Diploma course, if packaged together, will be treated as separate courses for the purpose of granting deferment). A new application for deferment must be made before the commencement of a new stage of studies. Deferment for the new stage of studies will be subject to the same cut-off age stated in the preceding paragraph.
Overseas Studies
NS-liable persons who graduated before September 2011 may be granted deferment to pursue full-time overseas studies (up to the GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or their equivalent qualifications) if they are able to commence the course before 18 years old, as at 1st January of the course commencement year. NS-liable persons graduating from September 2011 onwards may be granted deferment to pursue full-time overseas studies (up to the GCE 'A' Levels, Polytechnic Diploma or their equivalent qualifications) if they are able to commence their courses before 19 years old (for Secondary 4 students) or 20 years old (for Secondary 5 & ITE students), as at 1st January of the course commencement year. The higher cut-off age will apply to courses commencing from 1st January 2012 onwards.
NS-liable persons will be required to apply for an exit permit for overseas trips of 3 months and longer and will be required to furnish a bond of $75,000 or an amount equivalent to 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.
Application for Deferment
NS-liable persons may apply for deferment online at the NS portal (http://www.ns.sg) during NS registration and pre-enlistment documentation.
Those applying for deferment to pursue local studies may be required to furnish documentary proof for verification upon CMPB's request. Upon CMPB's request, they will be required to submit to CMPB a letter from their school certifying their enrolment, their course of study, as well as their course commencement and completion dates.
Those applying for deferment to pursue overseas studies must submit to CMPB a letter from their school certifying their enrolment, their course of study as well as their course commencement and completion dates. In addition, they must submit their parents' Income Tax Notices of Assessment (both local and overseas) for the preceding year.
Those who subsequently wish to pursue or switch to a new course or institution must seek prior approval from CMPB.
Notes: The information provided in this website are general guidelines. For further details, you may wish to contact the NS Call Centre at [email protected] or Tel: 1800-3676767 (eNSNSNS).
Source: www.ica.gov.sg
National Service Liability
Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore Citizens and Permanent Residents, unless exempted, are liable to register for National Service (NS). Following the completion of full-time NS, they will be required to serve up to 40 days of Operationally Ready National Service (ORNS) per year for the duration of their ORNS training cycle till the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years (for other ranks).
Main applicants who are granted PR status under the Professionals/Technical Personnel and Skilled Workers (PTS) Scheme or the Investor Scheme are exempted from NS. Male children who are granted PR status under their parents' sponsorship are liable for NS under the Enlistment Act. They are required to register for NS upon reaching 16½ years old and will be scheduled for enlistment at the earliest opportunity upon reaching 18 years old. If they are pursuing full-time studies, deferment from full-time NS may be granted only if they meet the deferment conditions stipulated by the Ministry of Defence which can be found at www.ns.sg. All NS-liable males aged 13 years old and above, are required to obtain an Exit Permit (EP) when travelling overseas for 3 months or more.
NS-liable PRs are expected to serve NS. Renouncing or losing one's PR status without serving or completing full-time NS would have an adverse impact on any immediate or future applications to work or study in Singapore, or for Singapore citizenship or PR status.
Males who are granted Singapore PR, and who were previously Singapore Citizens or Singapore Permanent Residents, are liable to be called up for NS regardless of the type of PR status they have been granted.
For further enquiries, please write to:
Central Manpower Base
CMPB Podium
3, Depot Road
Singapore 109680
Tel : 1800-3676767 (local)
65-65676767 (overseas)
Email: [email protected]
you can give up your PR, but then you will most likely not be granted a visa to continue staying in Singapore.
Originally posted by St_silver:Hey all,
First of all, let me say this, I wanted to do NS, but only after I complete my university. I recently contacted MINDEF in order to ask what my chances of being able to defer my NS until I completed my 3 years of university. I was told that they were 'virtually zero', even if I had an offer from a University.
Now, I'm not a Singaporean citizen, just a PR and I've never gone to a government school here, just an International school, and we've never had expat status. I've recently recieved the letter telling me to register for my enlistment. I would like to know how I could go about completing my education and then giving up my PR. This has been compounded as I've recieved a conditional offer from my university.Is it possible to register and then give it up? I'm worried that if I give it up now, I'll be forced to leave without being able to complete my exams in May (My final IB exams).
What process should I go through in order to be able to finish my exams in May, and then give up my PR status to go to University straight after?
We register for university first. Then after we complete the A level or poly, we go to NS for 2 years. The uni will hold the position for us for the time being.
Being PR or citizen is good, because the uni fee is half of the foreign student.
I suggest you go and register local uni, and get citizenship after NS, and you can do uni at a cheaper rate.
Whether you are citizen or PR the goverment settle all this aspect nicely, you just need to follow.
Here's a question pertaining to this. I am 1st g pr with 2 boys age 13 and 11 liable for ns. Work is not great at the moment so I may be required to relocate to my home country. Since I will no longer be resident in sing I would drop my pr and that of my kids. What are the implications for my kids? I have received the mindef letter for my oldest.
I guess if we all leave for what are essentially economic reasons my kids can't be blamed. Or will they still be in the shit with the govt if they decide to come back here as adults in the future?
Originally posted by Mothman65:Here's a question pertaining to this. I am 1st g pr with 2 boys age 13 and 11 liable for ns. Work is not great at the moment so I may be required to relocate to my home country. Since I will no longer be resident in sing I would drop my pr and that of my kids. What are the implications for my kids? I have received the mindef letter for my oldest.
I guess if we all leave for what are essentially economic reasons my kids can't be blamed. Or will they still be in the shit with the govt if they decide to come back here as adults in the future?
National
Service Liability
Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore Citizens and
Permanent Residents, unless exempted, are liable to register for
National Service (NS). Following the completion of full-time NS,
they will be required to serve up to 40 days of Operationally Ready
National Service (ORNS) per year for the duration of their ORNS
training cycle till the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years
(for other ranks).
Main applicants who are granted PR status under the
Professionals/Technical Personnel and Skilled Workers (PTS) Scheme
or the Investor Scheme are exempted from NS. Male children who are
granted PR status under their parents' sponsorship are liable for
NS under the Enlistment Act. They are required to register for NS
upon reaching 16½ years old and will be scheduled for enlistment at
the earliest opportunity upon reaching 18 years old. If they are
pursuing full-time studies, deferment from full-time NS may be
granted only if they meet the deferment conditions stipulated by
the Ministry of Defence which can be found at www.ns.sg. All NS-liable
males aged 13 years old and above, are required to obtain an Exit
Permit (EP) when travelling overseas for 3 months or more.
NS-liable PRs are expected to serve NS. Renouncing or
losing one's PR status without serving or completing full-time NS
would have an adverse impact on any immediate or future
applications to work or study in Singapore, or for Singapore
citizenship or PR status.
Males who are granted Singapore PR, and who were previously
Singapore Citizens or Singapore Permanent Residents, are liable to
be called up for NS regardless of the type of PR status they have
been granted.
For further enquiries, please write to:
Central Manpower Base
CMPB Podium
3, Depot Road
Singapore 109680
Tel : 1800-3676767 (local)
65-65676767 (overseas)