ORD: On That Very Day?
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EVEN U DO CRIMES ALSO ORD ON DAT DAY....XTRAS ...??SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN NS TIME NOT OVER NS TIME!!!
RSM SECRETLY GIGGLING OR LAFFIN AFTER HE MAKE ALL OF U GO DO OVERTIME NS.
AFTER THAT HE WILL PROBABLY FORGET ABOUT U.PROBABLY HE WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT U OR RECOGNISE U ARE FROM SAME UNIT LIKE MY ENCOUNTERS WITH OLD STAFF SGT WHOM I SEE HIM OFTEN IN RESERVIST....JUST FUCK OFF FROM UNIT N FIND A JOB.
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Originally posted by Atreides:
@jgho83: no the new specs only come in at least 2 months after the end of the exercise (ie abt 2 months after we ord).
Alright, here is the full story. Unit A has an OE in Country X from Date 1 to Date 30 (arbitary numbers, don't mean a thing). Unfortunately 8 out of 10 specs ORD at Dates 26, 27, 28. However, since Date 27 and 28 are saturdays and sundays respectively, and Date 26 is a public holiday, according to the SAF ORD Directive, the "prior working day" would be Date 25. Therefore, all 3 dates should ORD on Date 25.
Now, after attempting to cajole all the specs to extend by 1 month (which no one obviously want to), Unit A managed to arrange an early flight back on Date 27. On top of that, specs who ORD on Date 26 are now exempted from the OE on the pretext that they have no flight back. HOWEVER, this would be ignoring the SAF ORD Directive, whereby all 3 dates actually ORD on the same day! Think about it, even if ORDates 27 and 28 come back on the Date 27 flight, they still ORD late as they have to wait for the next working day!
Interestingly, Unit A did not tell any of these to the specs and instead kept quiet. Which is strange, since so close to the OE and no one knows anything about the details of the OE. Firstly, it is ridiculous that one third of the affected personnel get special treatment and are 'allowed' to ORD on their proper date, yet the other two-thirds remain victimized. Can an enlightened laujiao shed some light on this? It is all the more intriguing when HQ has so much time to plan, almost one year since the specs were posted into the unit, yet they continued to belittle the event that all NSFs look forward to - ORD.
Interestingly, the Unit's RSM reportedly mentioned that he did not need the consent of the specs involved to extend their ORD and that all he needed to do was to go online and press a button. Also, and that the spec's ORD dates as mentioned in the said directive is "subject to unit approval". So basically he's saying the unit can 1) extend one's ORD however it wishes to, and 2) Ignore the Directive and therefore achieving the above without consequence. Anyone care to tell me if it's true?that's rubbish lah ....
don't worry, they won't be able to do anything.
However, what they MIGHT be able to do, is to issue you an SAF 100 straight away and count those few extra days as an ICT ....
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or they could conveniently forget the extension....happened a few times to some reservists.
its too much paperwerk.
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if u are already in the exercise.......then its too troublesome and the rsm has already won.
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mispost
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Originally posted by Fatum:
that's rubbish lah ....
don't worry, they won't be able to do anything.
However, what they MIGHT be able to do, is to issue you an SAF 100 straight away and count those few extra days as an ICT ....
and even those few days ended up as HK, they issue TS with another SAF 100 for a fresh HK reservist, TS also lugi cos max only 1 hi key count per work yr(apr-mar)
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Originally posted by Atreides:
Hi basically I'm going to ORD soon in less than 2 months. Problem is, my unit has this overseas exercise which actually ends AFTER i ord. So now there are two problems.
First, I read and printed out a copy of the ORD directive which stated that you would ORD on the date specified, or if it is a weekend or public holiday, the prior working day. Also, you have to be PERSONALLY at your unit camp for clearance procedures during WORKING HOURS. Are there actually any fine print regarding this? (Like if you are in an overseas exercise this directive does not apply to you, etc)
Second, is it possible for the unit to involuntary extend your ORD? I have heard rumors of the unit getting OCs to sign the VES (Voluntary Extension Scheme) for those who ORD before the overseas exercise ends, thereby involuntary extending their ORD. Alternatively, is it even LEGAL for the unit to force a soldier who ORD before the overseas exercise ends to participate in said exercise?
Having been in the army for so long, I've long been resigned to the school of thought that basically everything in the army (rest, weekends, freetime, etc) is a privilege and not a right (that's what tekong sergeants always say when one's a recruit). However, I believe that something as important as ORD is NOT a privilege and DEFINITELY a right. Would it be too much to just ask to ORD on the date that one is supposed to ORD? Any thoughts or suggestions on this to shed some light? The unit basically imposed an information blackout after realizing that some people were checking the mindef directives using the OA by blocking all links, rendering the affected personnel information-blind. Anyone else experienced the same thing as well?
Basically, ORD is not just that person's problem. There are many clearances to do including arms, dental, logistics, returning camp pass, clear leave and etc. It is not a one day affair. You probably have to take a week to clear them all out. Check this out with your clerk. Your officer also have to sign and return your personal docket to HQ and etc.
Either you have your clearance done before the OE or after the OE, as the people have to be around to sign the clearance.
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Originally posted by Atreides:
@jgho83: no the new specs only come in at least 2 months after the end of the exercise (ie abt 2 months after we ord).
Alright, here is the full story. Unit A has an OE in Country X from Date 1 to Date 30 (arbitary numbers, don't mean a thing). Unfortunately 8 out of 10 specs ORD at Dates 26, 27, 28. However, since Date 27 and 28 are saturdays and sundays respectively, and Date 26 is a public holiday, according to the SAF ORD Directive, the "prior working day" would be Date 25. Therefore, all 3 dates should ORD on Date 25.
Now, after attempting to cajole all the specs to extend by 1 month (which no one obviously want to), Unit A managed to arrange an early flight back on Date 27. On top of that, specs who ORD on Date 26 are now exempted from the OE on the pretext that they have no flight back. HOWEVER, this would be ignoring the SAF ORD Directive, whereby all 3 dates actually ORD on the same day! Think about it, even if ORDates 27 and 28 come back on the Date 27 flight, they still ORD late as they have to wait for the next working day!
Interestingly, Unit A did not tell any of these to the specs and instead kept quiet. Which is strange, since so close to the OE and no one knows anything about the details of the OE. Firstly, it is ridiculous that one third of the affected personnel get special treatment and are 'allowed' to ORD on their proper date, yet the other two-thirds remain victimized. Can an enlightened laujiao shed some light on this? It is all the more intriguing when HQ has so much time to plan, almost one year since the specs were posted into the unit, yet they continued to belittle the event that all NSFs look forward to - ORD.
Interestingly, the Unit's RSM reportedly mentioned that he did not need the consent of the specs involved to extend their ORD and that all he needed to do was to go online and press a button. Also, and that the spec's ORD dates as mentioned in the said directive is "subject to unit approval". So basically he's saying the unit can 1) extend one's ORD however it wishes to, and 2) Ignore the Directive and therefore achieving the above without consequence. Anyone care to tell me if it's true?Basically, your unit screw up the admin.
ORD is not just a one person affair. The officers/IC from various departments need to sign on the clearance form and this form goes all the way back to HQ/CMPB for records. The clearance is to ensure that SAF dont have any legal liabilities on you.
You should just not go for the OE and stay in singapore to ORD and clear leave. It makes more sense.The various bosses need to sign the clearance, it is not as simple as taking the pink IC only. How come it is so mess up?
FYI, it is written in the directive that the unit can extend the ORD of the personel. But the officer in charge will have to follow another set of adminstration to explain why the ORD is extended. The accountancy department will also have to follow up to give extra "allowance" for the personnel. So usually, the officer-in-charge are not too interest in doing extra work, thought it can be done.
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to TS simple, go call the SAF counselling hotline ... trust me, those people there has very impressive connections within the whole mindef and SAF...
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i think TS fly liao..
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2 things ur unit can do...
1) like above..issue you a SAF 100 and do your OE as a cycle..
2) charge you for whatever reason to DB which automatically extends your ORD date...
so be on your toes...
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if u kept yourslef out of troubles throughout the 2 years why wanna challenge it on the very last day.....
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but i thought its in the directives that you cannot be called back for any ict/reservist/saf 100 at least until after 6 months from your ord date.
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Originally posted by stellazio:
but i thought its in the directives that you cannot be called back for any ict/reservist/saf 100 at least until after 6 months from your ord date.
Yes. By right. But you know better.....
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If the SAF fuck up on manpower issues, please don't be hero go extend ORD date. It shows how incompetent they are and they rightly deserve it.