PES Review: Psychiatrist Also Says,"Get A Specialist Memo?!"
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Very simple.
You know, for those people with knee pain, back pain, etc, they can go to a specialist at a hospital (let's leave the private/public issue aside first), and then come back camp MO with the specialist memo, and straightaway be submitted to medical board for downgrading.
For those with mental health issues, is this also the case, or do all mental cases have to go through MMI regardless?
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Very simple.
You know, for those people with knee pain, back pain, etc, they can go to a specialist at a hospital (let's leave the private/public issue aside first), and then come back camp MO with the specialist memo, and straightaway be submitted to medical board for downgrading.
For those with mental health issues, is this also the case, or do all mental cases have to go through MMI regardless?
It is not a simple question.
Case A: You are Ah Beng, through the CMPB, they will still enlist you but since you are involved in gang and have violence tendency, you will be refer to psychologist.
Case B: You are already having depression or some form of psychosis, before you are enlisted you will be watch out for and the MO and whoever will take special care for you.
Case C: You are having insomina or some issues, you have been seen by camp MO for a while and drugs, like diazepam does not seem to help, they will refer you out to MMI eventually.
Case D: Your PC/CO/Counselor/Bunkmates/Buddy find you something wrong and decide to bring you to the medical centre
Mental health issues are not clear cut as it involves many people. Usually people who is having psychosis, will not know that he is having one.
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what if for a NSman reservist , who suspects that he might have mental problem, and goes for check up , what's next?
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OK, I phrased that wrongly.
Let's say I'm an NSF now. I went to MMI but the crackpot doctor felt my case was not serious enough to warrant downpes.
Therefore, I would like to seek a second opinion from an outside doctor.
After I have seeked this opinion, and if the doctor finds that I am not stable to serve in my current vocation, will I be referred back to MMI, or go straight to the medical board?
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most likely to MMI then, medical board for NSFs...
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
OK, I phrased that wrongly.
Let's say I'm an NSF now. I went to MMI but the crackpot doctor felt my case was not serious enough to warrant downpes.
Therefore, I would like to seek a second opinion from an outside doctor.
After I have seeked this opinion, and if the doctor finds that I am not stable to serve in my current vocation, will I be referred back to MMI, or go straight to the medical board?
Different people have different opinions. MMI specialists SUCKS. That stupid lady that see me that time really cannot make it and it is provened by me. They see so many cases everyday that tends to overlook the problem.
Return that letter back to your camp MO, and let him judge. Push all the responiblities to him and he will corrrespond.
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Originally posted by kengkia:
What if for a NSman reservist , who suspects that he might have mental problem, and goes for check up , what's next?
Do the usual things... For example, you are having depression, you see the doctor, doctor refer you to IMH, then you will receive treatment. Then if SAF when call you up, you correspond by refering your medical status to them by a formal specialist letter.
Usually if you can "volunteer" to go check it out yourself on your own, it is a small case.
Mental issues are no jokes, they will cost you alot in insurance premium.
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Return that letter back to your camp MO, and let him judge. Push all the responiblities to him and he will corrrespond.
There was no letter. The doctor said my problem was not serious enough. So he gave me many many sleeping pills.
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Return that letter back to your camp MO, and let him judge. Push all the responiblities to him and he will corrrespond.
There was no letter. The doctor said my problem was not serious enough. So he gave me many many sleeping pills.
Insomnia..
This is problematic..
Insomnia is considered a minor case as it can be treated with valium. After half a year, if you still have insomnia then see how.
Usually this is a wait and see case.
There is a sleep disorder clinic, neurology department at SGH that deals with sleeping disorder, which you might want to refer to.
Insomnia can recover one, like flu or fever, so they dont usually warrant a downgrade. Unless, you come in with black eye rings and shivering, it is obvious that you have not sleep for weeks. Then you get MC and that is it.
For your infor, I had insomnia on Friday night, and I am alright, because I drank too much coffee.
What is your case?
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Normal Insomia cant downgrade. If severe insomia maybe can downgrade.
Sleep walking can downgrade. My frenz downpes due to sleepwalking.
psychiatric condition like depression/anxiety should be downgradable with psychiatrist letter.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
Normal Insomia cant downgrade. If severe insomia maybe can downgrade.
Sleep walking can downgrade. My frenz downpes due to sleepwalking.
psychiatric condition like depression/anxiety should be downgradable with psychiatrist letter.
Not true. this is according to directives which are deem whether u are fit for combat statussleepwalking is a mental condition
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Originally posted by bohiruci:
Not true. this is according to directives which are deem whether u are fit for combat statussleepwalking is a mental condition
Which one i said is nt true?Yes sleep walking is a mental condition.
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spilit personality disorder downgradable?
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Originally posted by kengkia:
spilit personality disorder downgradable?
U meant multiple personality disorder? I think should be downgradable or even PES F. -
like milo said, everyone sure have some degree of multiple personality disorder, it's just that how worse only...so it depends....
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Ask you guys something ..
If you downgraded while you were in NS due to mental problem,
would it make it harder to find job, or when in job, to find promotion, career advances?
And question two is, am I right in saying you have the choice of declaring your previous illness or not declaring when applying for jobs?
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Ask you guys something ..
If you downgraded while you were in NS due to mental problem,
would it make it harder to find job, or when in job, to find promotion, career advances?
And question two is, am I right in saying you have the choice of declaring your previous illness or not declaring when applying for jobs?
by right u must declare, by left usually if people think their own condition wun manifest itself so easily,they will lie....
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Ask you guys something ..
If you downgraded while you were in NS due to mental problem,
would it make it harder to find job, or when in job, to find promotion, career advances?
And question two is, am I right in saying you have the choice of declaring your previous illness or not declaring when applying for jobs?
You should be concern about your illness and not about downgrading,
If you have fever, you are tired and weak and therefore cannot work. But it is only that few days. If you take the mental illness as equivalence, what do you think?
It is not about downgrading, it is about being functional. You cannot function, you cannot function and therefore you need to be downgraded as a lower pes means you are not fit.
Your T-shirt is now dirty, you go and wash, then you can wear. But if your T-shirt is torn, prehaps you still can wear but it is not so good. If your T-shirt is completely torn, and you cannot wear, so it is useless. If your T-shirt is too old, it is also useless. You can completely ignore the fact that the T-shirt has a hole, but people can still see it and tell you that your T-shirt is torn.
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What if by the time you came out of NS your T-shirt was repaired by sheer willpower?
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
What if by the time you came out of NS your T-shirt was repaired by sheer willpower?
depends on the mental illness.
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Like some illnesses, that although can happen in army, are very unlikely to reoccur in real life. I can't say too much for fear of being TRACED but it's kind of an army-specific disorder. So you could opt not to declare it?
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Like some illnesses, that although can happen in army, are very unlikely to reoccur in real life. I can't say too much for fear of being TRACED but it's kind of an army-specific disorder. So you could opt not to declare it?
i see...u wanna keng right...but the thing is do u have any mental illness to start with?
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To ts, best thing is, if you want to keng, get outside doctor, get memo/letter, go mmi downgrade.
When you ORD, go back the outside doctor, get another letter to be discharged (cleared of your condition).Of course, this depends on your condition, if it's an incurable one, don't do it.
I think liddat government job can't get, cos they can access your army records/medical records etc.
But private job i think they dun care de la, as long you dun have NS liability and can work can liao.
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Originally posted by Dazhell:
Like some illnesses, that although can happen in army, are very unlikely to reoccur in real life. I can't say too much for fear of being TRACED but it's kind of an army-specific disorder. So you could opt not to declare it?
Case 1: Insurance company X reject the person A as he has depression in the army.
Case 2: University X reject the person B as he has depression, unfit for study.
Case 3: I see a man shouting to himself (a imagined person?) at MRT station, on fri evening. Obviously he does not know he is talking to himself. And he is not acting. As he do not know what he is doing that himself.
NS is the most slacking period I have in my life. I have physically gained 5 to 10 kg. It is not stressful compared to JC life, Uni life. And it is not as stressful now in working life. So if you cannot handle stress in NS. It really reflect that you are NO GOOD.
If you really have a problem, your surrounding people will notice, you dont have to declare, they will drag you to the medical centre.
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All psychiatric cases are reviewed by MMI medical specialist at MMI or saf ward.
Some who sent to SAF ward for observation are downgraded there. They signed the medical downgrade form at SAF ward.
Then there's a medical board held at MMI to decide the PES status.
PES F may affect jobs and prospect. PES C to E mostly wont affect jobs.
But some PES E ppl cannot work outside one like mild autism/asperger syndrome.
Some PES E also cant study like mild autism and asperger syndrome.
My relative asperger syndrome PES E, he after NS never work or study. Familly will support him until they die.