General Election 2011: Cut NS Conscription ?
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Which are the states with 2 years or more of conscription?
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Sweden, Israel, South Korea. Dunno abt countries like Germany or Greece.
Taiwan/ ROC no more le left 6 mths macham BMT.
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Sweden: conscription to be phased out by 1 July 2010
Conscription in South Korea
21 Apr 2009 — warresistersThe Republic of Korea main tains a strict conscription regi me. Registration for conscrip tion is automatic for men in the year they turn 18, followed by medical examination when they are 19. The duty to enlist in the Armed Forces lasts until the age of 31, but in case of draft evaders until 36.
Military service lasts two years. How ever, large parts of conscripts (almost 200_000 out of 300000-350000 conscripts annually) per form most of their service in public administra tions or else where, and only per form four weeks of basic mi li tary training. For those, milit ary service lasts 26 months. Which kind of service has to be performed depends on the me di cal examination, and the needs of the military.
After discharge from servi ce, con scripts are obliged to serve appro xi mately 160 hours of military training over a period of eight years.
Of a total of 680000 sol diers in the Korean military, about 75% are con scripts. Commissioned and non-commis sioned officers are pro fessional soldiers and account for the re maining 25%. Accor ding to the "Defence Re form Plan 2020", South Korea aims to increase the number of pro fessional soldiers to 40% by 2020.
Conscientious objection is not recognised, and annually about 600 conscientious objec tors receive prison sentences of 18 months. The great majo rity of conscientious objectors are Jehovah's Witnesses, but since 2001 the number of non-religios conscientious objectors has increased. 
Since 1939, more than 15000 conscientious objectors served prison sentences for their refusal to perform military service.
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Germany shortens conscription from nine to six months
As of 2008, Greece (Hellenic Republic) has mandatory military service (conscription) of 9 months for men between the ages of 18 and 45.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Greece
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Taiwan to end conscription
http://blog.rti.org.tw/english/2010/04/12/think-tank-taiwan-to-end-conscription/
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belgium??
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Each state would decide what their requirements are and provide for it accordingly.
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I think this is a serious topic that concerns the welfare of most typical male Singaporeans and should not be ignored or shelved aside.Instead we should all come to reality and come to terms as to what is practical and sound. Doing NS for 1 year is not something unreasonable to ask. Perhaps a novel idea would be to have more than a longer reservist cycle to compensate for it. Reservist trainings are typical about 2 to 3 weeks. Perhaps there should be more reservist cyles but of a shorter duration of 1 week training per In-camp training. NS 1 year:- 2 months BMT, 2 months vocational training, 8 months attachment to units. Leave the command school training like SISPEC & OCS to the regulars who wish to sign on as a career. The whole objective is to train soldiers of various vocations to perform their roles, leave the commander’s roles to the regulars. In this way for people who wish to make a living out of being in the regular uniformed organisations, can do so. My analogy of the most recent debate of slashing weightage of 2nd language for PSLE explains the vacillating & wishy-washy populist policy-makers, who cave in so easily for such issues. But NS affects many people & ideas raised up should not be put under the carpet and conveniently forgotten. Please post your views if you think having NS for 1 year is correct and that the policy should be implemented asap. Thank you.
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what i understand and heard is Taiwan consrciption for NS is now only for 4 months!
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You confirm 2011 mah?
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NS two years is far too long. It should be shortened.
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girls should also serve NS :x
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Talked to many people I know who are/were commandos, guards, snipers, infanteers, armour, plus many other combat vocationalists,etc. The general consensus is that during training and exercises for the first year tough. After that, 2nd year onwards, Very Switch Off lah!!! This proves or rather substantiates that fact that 1 year is more than enough to train up a good soldier! Proposal: BMT (2 months) Vocation Training (2 / 3 months) Unit attachment for exercises, etc (remaining 8 mths or so)
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I suggest shortening ICT cycle.
Reservist until 40 years just doesnt make sense. Cap it at 30 years bah.
2 years is way too long. Maybe 1.5 years or less.
Hire FTs to do it. I went to China that day and what I heard was that in China, many men and women's dream job is actually to become a soldier. Cos it pays well. Probably PRCs will enjoy more and be more patriotic serving in the army. =) -
Originally posted by jojo_sinclair:
After that, 2nd year onwards, Very Switch Off lah!!!
They need a certain number of active troops to mobilise in case of war, that is why NS so long, up to two years.
But NS 2 years is really too long.
This fucking PAP, comes to Singaporeans they will be strict, come to aliens they will pamper.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
girls should also serve NS :x
True. A lot of girls are PES A. A lot of guys are PES C. LOL...
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When I said 1 year, I mean for NS, train only to become a good solddier enough. Don’t want to bother about being specialists or officers. Leave these appointments to those who wanna sign on as regular “Khan Chiak Peng�. Train to be good combat soldier 1 year can already lah!Talking about productivity, as in other developed western countries, Germany, etc only serve 1 year. Taiwan only serve 4 months! But I propose 1 year!!! Dont’ waste another year! Girls would get head start in working life already by graduating earlier from university by 2 years! u have to work under them! girls go into university earlier & come out earlier to work mah! Just do more shorter In_Camp Training for reservist. Once a year 1 or 2 weeks enough to refresh lah! If think this is logical and cogent please voice your support! Get the policy makers to change NS to 1 year immediately!So many policies can change immediately, why not this proposal on NS!?
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When I said 1 year, I mean for NS, train only to become a good solddier enough. Don’t want to bother about being specialists or officers. Leave these appointments to those who wanna sign on as regular “Khan Chiak Peng�. Train to be good combat soldier 1 year can already lah!Talking about productivity, as in other developed western countries, Germany, etc only serve 1 year. Taiwan only serve 4 months! But I propose 1 year!!! Dont’ waste another year! Girls would get head start in working life already by graduating earlier from university by 2 years! u have to work under them! girls go into university earlier & come out earlier to work mah! Just do more shorter In_Camp Training for reservist. Once a year 1 or 2 weeks enough to refresh lah! OK ? Agree? If think this is logical and cogent please voice your support! Get the policy makers to change NS to 1 year immediately!So many policies can change immediately, why not this propsal on NS!?
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When I said 1 year, I mean for NS, train only to become a good solddier enough. Don’t want to bother about being specialists or officers. Leave these appointments to those who wanna sign on as regular “Khan Chiak Peng�. Train to be good combat soldier 1 year can already lah!Talking about productivity, as in other developed western countries, Germany, etc only serve 1 year. Taiwan only serve 4 months! But I propose 1 year!!! Dont’ waste another year! Girls would get head start in working life already by graduating earlier from university by 2 years! u have to work under them! girls go into university earlier & come out earlier to work mah! Just do more shorter In_Camp Training for reservist. Once a year 1 or 2 weeks enough to refresh lah! If think this is logical and cogent please voice your support! Get the policy makers to change NS to 1 year immediately!So many policies can change immediately, why not this proposal on NS!?
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Germany, etc only serve 1 year
Germany shortens conscription from nine to six months
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7838532/Germany-shortens-conscription-from-nine-to-six-months.html
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Personally I think, our population is too little to cut the conscription time. Unless we had a population of Germany something like 13m ?
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Rubbish! Reservists will be the front-liners in the event of a war! There are more than 300,000 operationally ready reservists who could be mobiliesed within short notice. And this is the very immense number that justify the pay and existence of the paper-Generals, Colonels, etc of the SAF!
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Originally posted by jojo_sinclair:
Dont’ waste another year! Girls would get head start in working life already by graduating earlier from university by 2 years! u have to work under them! girls go into university earlier & come out earlier to work mah!
this could be one of reasons why female grads delay marriage.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
NS two years is far too long. It should be shortened.
Yes, reduce it to 1 year.And increase the reservists.
Nobody want to do ns for 2 yrs. It is too long.
1 year will do.
Anyway, who will listen to this idea?
Mindef sure closed both ears.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Anyway, who will listen to this idea?
Mindef sure closed both ears.
spot onplently of people had already mention/propose this
but so far nothing had been done
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