NSF: Monthly Allowance = Wages ?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
i mean if NS is to reduce to 1 year, i think there is not enuf time to serve, serving National service actually start on the 2nd year, 1st years is all basic and course training, my ex bf in Officer cadet course already took a year to train, if u said let them go after 1 year, then train for what, no service rendered. Then it should not be call as national service but rather training course. Basically those peoples who compare us again to Taiwan, German or even israel, you hv to look at it clearly, the environment, demographic, populations, etc etc must be factor in to determine the situation, just like my hometown in taiwan, at any one time, we got 500,000 young soldiers ready to fight a war, no need to recall or mobilise anything, with so much young men, our young men dun hv to serve so long, but their reservists is longer than singaporeans, and in country like Israel and Germany, their soldier bring their weapon home, at any one time, they are ready to go for war with full order, unlike ours, have to take taxis lah, feeder service bus lah, MRT lah...by the time old uncle army arrive, i think i already get raped by the enemy liao.please dun talk like you know alot about NS...
have u serve NS before?
if not, please come back and talk about it after you have served...
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Originally posted by keeptouch:
Pot calling kettle black.
Time for you to wake up and stop asking stupid questions
Stupid topics deserve stupid responses. Stop your whining and try to wrap your little head around the idea of doing some real work, if that's at all possible.
Loser.
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sg govern collect more than 2000m in foreign levy each yr, which is equivalent to SGD8.3K per servicemen monthly. Assuming 20K soliders are enlisted for 24 month national service, the country collected SGD 4.1K per NSF per month.
The money should be used as rightful compensation for Singaporean male who contributed their time to the nation. Why pay market rate for everything and the same for the NSF? The NS relieft is nothing as compare to the levy collected from having all the foreigners working in this country. It need not be paid as salary as I say, it can be deferred payment either in the form of education fund for NSF or higher HDB subsidy for male citizen. The amt of subsidy should vary with the amt of foreign level collection.
Who can let us know where does this foreign levy go to in this country?
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I am sure that 99.9% of sporean dont like to serve ns.
Reason
1) waste time and pay is worst than a begger.
So, mindef better increase the salary to $1k per month for pte and so on.
If not, reduce the ns to 1 year.
The boys want to faster rod and come to work and pay the bills.
Dont hold up the boys time. Mindef, you understand or not?
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Originally posted by GHoST_18:
please dun talk like you know alot about NS...
have u serve NS before?
if not, please come back and talk about it after you have served...
last time, me NCC at Haig Girls' high and also brownie in pri sch ok. I also served NS ok, in a way. Then my ex bf and present one also in NS, so it my Dad, a major ok...but the crab become pepper crabs already -
Originally posted by angel7030:
last time, me NCC at Haig Girls' high and also brownie in pri sch ok. I also served NS ok, in a way. Then my ex bf and present one also in NS, so it my Dad, a major ok...but the crab become pepper crabs already
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Originally posted by angel7030:
last time, me NCC at Haig Girls' high and also brownie in pri sch ok. I also served NS ok, in a way. Then my ex bf and present one also in NS, so it my Dad, a major ok...but the crab become pepper crabs alreadyAh Kua like you must also serve NS.Ghosts no need
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Originally posted by likeyou:
I am sure that 99.9% of sporean dont like to serve ns.
Reason
1) waste time and pay is worst than a begger.
So, mindef better increase the salary to $1k per month for pte and so on.
If not, reduce the ns to 1 year.
The boys want to faster rod and come to work and pay the bills.
Dont hold up the boys time. Mindef, you understand or not?
I think u r right lah, who like to be force, for nothing, go to prison for 2 years with parole for what?? and sometime, it can be worst than prison.
1k dun satisfy many today, even a supermarket or MacDonald staff also can earn more than that..so to speak.
I suggest a BAIL out, since singapore is running like a financial corporation, 1k per month, if anyone can paid 24k to govt, you dun have to serve NS, Bail yourself out of it. If no money, look for me in joo chiat, i charge only 5% per an..and i guess, all these rich young boys of singapore will pay, even 50k also can pay just to bail themselve out of NS, all useless bums.
Govt on the other hand, take all these money to buy professional soldier like the Gukhas or the french legion, very loyal, so the Govt will save the cost of training and all those wasting time exercises...out source the whole total defend to foreign soldier, after all, we got many foreigner here already
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Good idea, if sporean dont want to be in ns, Bail Out clause. Pay up and you will not need to do ns. Better for govt as cash come in.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
ncc different from ns.NCC also trained by NS corporals mah. Me Staff sergeant in NCC ok, march until tanned, black black like indian gal...but very fit.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
NCC also trained by NS corporals mah. Me Staff sergeant in NCC ok, march until tanned, black black like indian gal...but very fit.
I also from ncc. Those ns corporals are your school mates lah. You really thought ns cpl come and teach ncc mah? Wasting their time only. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
I also from ncc. Those ns corporals are your school mates lah. You really thought ns cpl come and teach ncc mah? Wasting their time only.
oh really, that mean, i kenna conned, they also bring me to watch war movies, shopping and arcade to learn how to shoot probably. I will be damn -
Originally posted by Audiophile:
Haha.
BTW, I'm not from within the SAF, Mindef or the Singapore Government. Atleast not currently. I was previously an Officer and i have ORDed early last year.
I validate the National Service Liability Service because i did scrutinise it when i was in the service.
My point is that it is not valid to compare us to other countries because our needs are different. Maybe Germany feels that their Conscription libility service is sufficient, but note that their own military personnel disagree, they say that the amount of training is so little that they shouldnt even bother. This may be a political move.
Singapore has certain contingency plans and needs for the SAF. This requires this specific training package.
If the government impose a curfew and made it so that you only get minimum food. You would be upset. And if i use your argument that other people in other countries are doing it. Like those poorer countries and such. What is your response? That is other nations. NOT how we do things in Singapore.
If we want to take this discussion further. Can you recommend where can we trim the National Service. IF it can be done, then tell the Government how. Don't just say lessen the time, and increase the allowance and what not when you dont know how to do things yourself. It is in Singapore's best interest to decrease the liability, to put these people back into the economy, to decrease defence expenditure. But we cant do it. Not now anyway. Maybe if things change in the future.
I'm not a firm supporter of the Government, I disagree with them on many points. But this, national service is important.
And if you have gone through it, you will know that it is not in terms of defence that we benefit. People grow in a way in NS in a way that you can't anywhere else.
An assumption about the german army does nothing to support your grounds. I was an A Tech with the rank of 3SG and did 2 1/2 years of NS....I can tell you many ways in which technicians can cut down training time. Combat side, I wouldn't know.
I'm not going to go into details here but it sure beats....no offence my friend, your myopic view. I'm sure as a commissioned officer, you know a lot more about the SAF than me but then, that's it. You are not able to understand how other armies in the world function yet you can say the SAF is different. It makes your argument little better.
Yes I have grown up in the SAF, millions of other males have too but the POINT is, we do not need the SAF to grow if you are willing to look at the world beyond our shores. Perhaps because you are just out of NS and have not studied in an overseas institution or worked overseas before, your view is rather myopic. The world is out there my friend.
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increase NS pay
Wait long long lar
I served all my ICTs
completed all my cycle
Only got 300 as reward
but still waiting for that 300 to come in
since oct......
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Can somebody pls tell that xxxxhead that NCC is world's apart from NS? Just stfu because whatever you are blabbering is hot air.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
An assumption about the german army does nothing to support your grounds. I was an A Tech with the rank of 3SG and did 2 1/2 years of NS....I can tell you many ways in which technicians can cut down training time. Combat side, I wouldn't know.
I'm not going to go into details here but it sure beats....no offence my friend, your myopic view. I'm sure as a commissioned officer, you know a lot more about the SAF than me but then, that's it. You are not able to understand how other armies in the world function yet you can say the SAF is different. It makes your argument little better.
Yes I have grown up in the SAF, millions of other males have too but the POINT is, we do not need the SAF to grow if you are willing to look at the world beyond our shores. Perhaps because you are just out of NS and have not studied in an overseas institution or worked overseas before, your view is rather myopic. The world is out there my friend.
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We already have 300K talent Singaporean working in PRC and elsewhere. We have 100K or more migrated as Aussie, British, US. etc. We have probably another 100K Singaporean holder foreign PR. So in total we have 2.5 millions Singapore genuine citizen. Takeway the elderly and the children, we left with less than 1m ppl in working Singaporean. Together with the tsunami of 1m PR and 1.5m foriegners working in Singapore...we have one Singaporean defending 2,5 foreigner for this island.
So it appears rather contradicting that we need an army to defend more foreigners who meantime is taking away the job of ordinary Singaporean. I am lost..why are we complaining? Why are there a huge unemployment of Singaporean when the are ample jobs availiable that we need foreigner to fill? Why cant the foreign levy be distributed to these Singaporean that give the time and their youth for the nation?
If we are not defending a huge foreign workforce, what are we defending for Singapore? Indonesia or Malaysia???
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does anyone of u realise that those serving their ns in the civil defence or as fire fighters are getting so much more allowance than that of those in army. r u trying to say that their trainings are so much more tougher than army and that the government have to pay them more to satisfy them.
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Originally posted by Wmyongj:
We already have 300K talent Singaporean working in PRC and elsewhere. We have 100K or more migrated as Aussie, British, US. etc. We have probably another 100K Singaporean holder foreign PR. So in total we have 2.5 millions Singapore genuine citizen. Takeway the elderly and the children, we left with less than 1m ppl in working Singaporean. Together with the tsunami of 1m PR and 1.5m foriegners working in Singapore...we have one Singaporean defending 2,5 foreigner for this island.
So it appears rather contradicting that we need an army to defend more foreigners who meantime is taking away the job of ordinary Singaporean. I am lost..why are we complaining? Why are there a huge unemployment of Singaporean when the are ample jobs availiable that we need foreigner to fill? Why cant the foreign levy be distributed to these Singaporean that give the time and their youth for the nation?
If we are not defending a huge foreign workforce, what are we defending for Singapore? Indonesia or Malaysia???
ah! taking my idea hor...this show i am worth here.Gentlemen,
In reality, you all can blar blar black sheep all the way you like on NS, but you still serve or served. So how?? Bail out, changed govt or bail yourself out of this country, take your pick, otherwise, life goes on.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
An assumption about the german army does nothing to support your grounds. I was an A Tech with the rank of 3SG and did 2 1/2 years of NS....I can tell you many ways in which technicians can cut down training time. Combat side, I wouldn't know.
I'm not going to go into details here but it sure beats....no offence my friend, your myopic view. I'm sure as a commissioned officer, you know a lot more about the SAF than me but then, that's it. You are not able to understand how other armies in the world function yet you can say the SAF is different. It makes your argument little better.
Yes I have grown up in the SAF, millions of other males have too but the POINT is, we do not need the SAF to grow if you are willing to look at the world beyond our shores. Perhaps because you are just out of NS and have not studied in an overseas institution or worked overseas before, your view is rather myopic. The world is out there my friend.
I think we are failing to agree as we are arguing from different perspective.I'm coming from the needs and requirements of Singapore while you are seeing the requirements of other countries and what they are doing and how we can achieve what they have.
Also, the issue with germany is not an assumption. You can do some research on the conscription in germany and see the many criticism from their own military.
Anyone can argue the needs and such, but these things will only prove itself when real war strikes, which i'm sure we all hope will not happen.
Plus the technician and combatant needs are different, that is true. But you can't shorten the liability of a technician and make combatants serve longer. That way noone will want to be a combatant. The morale and motivational issue is already huge at the combatant side. We dont really need to make it worse.
And you still have failed to give any examples (atleast a few) on how to shorten the liability. If you want to stop at basic training, and skip the assesment and experience that second year provides, then fair enough. Maybe for technicians its enough to just teach you the theory on being a technician then expecting that the person can perform.
PS. If you want to argue rationally, there is no point in personal attacks like calling me Myopic. You want to assume that i have no experince overseas when i lived 8 years of my life outside Singapore.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
ah! taking my idea hor...this show i am worth here.Gentlemen,
In reality, you all can blar blar black sheep all the way you like on NS, but you still serve or served. So how?? Bail out, changed govt or bail yourself out of this country, take your pick, otherwise, life goes on.
YOu are worth, ay lapitiao hiao chabor, don't kong jiao way. Nobody wants to be near you, take your stinky idea. You are here to display puay chau cheebye everyday, use dettol, stinkss , EEEe
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from the above, how can Singapore men conduct a proper dialogue, talk abit only want to win and attack liao...haiz, no eyes see see
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Originally posted by hundydude:
YOu are worth, ay lapitiao hiao chabor, don't kong jiao way. Nobody wants to be near you, take your stinky idea. You are here to display puay chau cheebye everyday, use dettol, stinkss , EEEe
Aunty, dun like this leh, i also got parents one ok -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Aunty, dun like this leh, i also got parents one ok
Limpeh see you sure hoot u, lapitiao chabor. YOu go parents no use, you put your parents to shame. lapitiao yiao chabor low low class. stinkss