Originally posted by insidestory:Dun compare different countries with SAF. Every army has a different MO for war.
I wonder who brought in Israel to compare with in the first place?
WHAT HAVE THEIR DEATHS TAUGHT YOU?ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT OUR EXPENSE N LIVES AGAIN???
THE BEST BE FAT N EATING LOBSTERS N TAKING A COMBAT TAXI WHILE THE REST CAN DROP DEAD N TO DO THINGS THAT THE BEST WONT OR CANT DO???
EVERY RESERVIST IS PLUMP???BETTER TO BE PLUMP THAN TO BE SKINNY N LOOK BAD IN CAMOUFLAGE UNIFORM IN OZ.I WALK ON EVERY OFF DAY FROM STARTING OF ORCHARD ROAD AT GENEAGLES HOSPITAL TO THE END OF ORCHARD ROAD(DHOBY GHOUT) N STILL FAIL ippt.
I SAW AN OLD SPOREAN SOLDIER WEARING THE NEW UNIFORM IN OZ...HE WAS SO SKINNY TILL HIS PANTS WAS FALLING DOWN N HIS FRAME WAS SO FLAT WITH NO CHEST LIKE HE NEVER EAT RICE....I COULD HAVE SWORN LIKE HE WAS A CHINA SOLDIER WITH SKINNY FRAME N HUNGRY WITH THAT CHINA LOOKING CAMOUFLAGE COLOUR.
Originally posted by redwiner:I wonder who brought in Israel to compare with in the first place?
Well, the thread was centred on the Afghan and Iraq US invasion. And who's the mortal enemies of the Arabs, other than the Americans? Duh.
Originally posted by angel3070:Some countries have already made plans to withdraw from Afghanistan:
Preparation for Canada troops withdrawal from Afghanistan underway
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-11/07/content_12402615.htm
NATO chief accepts Netherlands' planned withdrawal from S Afghanistan
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/30/content_11102107.htm
By the way, why the fuck is SAF in Afghanistan, risking their lives for USA's political games and why was there no debate about this in the state media?
By the way, why is Singapore in the UN when Singaporeans do not support UN security initiatives?
Originally posted by insidestory:Well, the thread was centred on the Afghan and Iraq US invasion. And who's the mortal enemies of the Arabs, other than the Americans? Duh.
But that does not mean that the armies would have similar military objectives.
And the person brought in the Australian example and well, Australian troops were deployed to Irag and Afghan for peacekeeping missions so there's still somewhat the link if you insist on arguing that.
Originally posted by redwiner:But that does not mean that the armies would have similar military objectives.
And the person brought in the Australian example and well, Australian troops were deployed to Irag and Afghan for peacekeeping missions so there's still somewhat the link if you insist on arguing that.
Dunno what you're talking about. Sorry.
Originally posted by insidestory:Dunno what you're talking about. Sorry.
You stated that the guy should not bring in other armies to compare due to the differing MO. Which i find contradictory as you bring Israel in to compare with singapore despite the different MO for war.
And since you argued that Israel, since being an enemy of the Arab, can be brought in to compare, then the guy's argument for bring in Australian army to compare with is valid as Australia is involved in the Afghan and Iraq US mission.
You don't 'win' by quoting out of context.
I first brought up Israel to highlight that some other countries that
practise conscription do so for as long as 3 years. You're welcome to go back to
the page and read my post over. It was Kuwait and Iraq in which I used to compare, when highlighting how you should dutifully serve your NS (i hope you're aware of the Kuwait-Iraq war and the Iran-Iraq wars). These three countries - Kuwait, Iraq and Israel- have in common one thing, and that is military conflict. Singapore decided to build up an armed force and conscript to deter and in the event of the failure of deterrence, to win military conflicts. So I had due cause to put forth that.
Whereas someone else tried to say that Israel is slacker with its reservist than SAF is, especially regarding IPPT. So it was right that someone said Israel and SAF do not share the exact same military doctrines and MO for war. How could it be when the terrain and size of fighting units are different? As long as wartime MO is not the same, there is no justification for reservist training doctrine to be the same. Thats why its not relevant. So there is due cause to put forth that.
Originally posted by insidestory:You don't 'win' by quoting out of context.
I first brought up Israel to highlight that some other countries that practice conscription does so for 3 years. You're welcome to go back to the page and read my post over. It was Kuwait and Iraq in which I used to compare, when highlighting how you should dutifully serve your NS. These three countries have in common one thing, and that is military conflict. Singapore decided to build up an armed force and conscript to deter and in the event of the failure of deterrence, to win military conflicts. So I had due cause to put forth that.Whereas someone else tried to say that Israel is slacker with its reservist than SAF is, especially regarding IPPT. So it was right that someone said Israel and SAF does not share the same exact military doctrines and MO for war. How could it be when the terrain and size of fighting units are different? As long as MO is not the same, there is no justification for reservist training doctrine to be the same. Thats why its not relevant. So there is no due cause to put forth that.
I did not quote out of context on purpose just to "win" you for your information.
I still think that comparing Singapore with Israel is still far-fetched due to the different circumstances the countries are in as Israel is still in a military conflict whereus Singapore isn't. However, this argument was done to death the other time.
And since you agree MO between Singapore and Israel is not the same, likewise, there's no justification arguing that since Israel has NS, Singapore should.
Originally posted by redwiner:I did not quote out of context on purpose just to "win" you for your information.
I still think that comparing Singapore with Israel is still far-fetched due to the different circumstances the countries are in as Israel is still in a military conflict whereus Singapore isn't. However, this argument was done to death the other time.
And since you agree MO between Singapore and Israel is not the same, likewise, there's no justification arguing that since Israel has NS, Singapore should.
hahahahaha you mean ALL countries who have a conscripted force should have the same war MO? hahahahahaa
Countries build up armed forces to defend themselves or attack others. Its as simple as that. SG built up ours for the elaborate reasons I highlighted above. We built up ours so that in the event of a conflict that occurs after failed deterrence, we don't get screwed. I simply raised a few countries that have an armed force and have engaged in conflict. You ARE quoting out of context.
Whereas the criteria an armed force makes of its reservist is dependent on the war MO. how can all countries with conscript have the same war MO, and hence how to have the same IPPT standards of reservists?
Stop trying to pull the wool over other people's eyes. I think you could succeed, with some here, but not me.
Originally posted by insidestory:hahahahaha you mean ALL countries who have a conscripted force should have the same war MO? hahahahahaa
Countries build up armed forces to defend themselves or attack others. Its as simple as that. SG built up ours for the elaborate reasons I highlighted above. We built up ours so that in the event of a conflict that occurs after failed deterrence, we don't get screwed. I simply raised a few countries that have an armed force and have engaged in conflict. You ARE quoting out of context.
Whereas the criteria an armed force makes of its reservist is dependent on the war MO. how can all countries with conscript have the same war MO, and hence how to have the same IPPT standards of reservists?
Stop trying to pull the wool over other people's eyes. I think you could succeed, with some here, but not me.
I am not trying to.
The criteria that countries build up on their armed forces and reservist goes beyond that of the reasons you listed. There are many other underlying and overlapping reasons which i don't wish to dwelve into. That's why i don't think it's fair to compare any countries' armies or reservist with that of another countries at all. We are all in different situations and circumstances and thats why certain countries react in certain ways while other countries don't. That's why some countries have consripted armies while others don't, amongst many other reasons.
as long u r made up of flesh n blood....u would do everything n anything to stay alive.....lest u be mistaken fer a suicide bomber.