SORRY! SORRY! About making my last trend sound like an advertisement.
I wasn't advertising at all.Promise. And I know what you must be thinking but I am not the blogger. Cheez I have better stuff to do now (after I got the enlistment letter) than advertise for some blog site I just stumbled upon.
Anyway I was just fiddling with the idea whether to keng my way through NS or not and came upon that stupid blog(which I shall not name here). I thought what the blogger says is true or fiction so I assume I could get some opinion on that. Sorry for the confusion.
Pre-enlistment jitters i guess.
How reassuring for me to read that you are thinking of Keng upon receiving your NS letter. ....I begining to think that you should forget what you read in the blog.
Let me put it this way...."Keng is not cool" You do your best. nobody expect you to be superman.
Look at it as a positive 2yrs experience rather than a negative 2 yrs. Either way you are enlisting might as well enjoyed.
Best Wishes for your NS experience.
To access fact or fiction, u should just ask direct questions to clear your doubts and most of us here can answer or share our experiences etc. Posting blog links is something we generally don't allow.
The 2 years spent in NS can be a rewarding 2 years or a total waste of time depending on how u treat it. Keng all the way and you are just wasting ur time. Put in some effort and you might gain something worthwhile during the 2 yrs.
Advertisement or not, I can say this much: WAKE UP YOUR BLOODY IDEAS.
You have not even enlisted yet, and you are already thinking of how to keng. Here's one useful piece of advice, kid: have an open mind and aim to make your NS a worthwhile experience.
Whether you keng or not, you are in there for two years. You can choose to skive and keng and try to be a little weasel, or you can try to make the best of things and come out of it a stronger, fitter, and more mature person.
One thing I can say for sure (and all the old birds here will agree with me on this) is that so long as you have this sort of mentality, you will suffer in your NS. I promise you that.
Well, thanks guys but please don't start chiding me when you guys have already gone through your obligation. And of course I a kid and very much proud of it.
there is little point strerotyping here and it just makes me feel like you guys are just watching the fire from the other side of the bank.
There are many ways I can grow up to be a stronger, fitter and more mature person and I feel there is no need for an organization to direct me towards that.
Anyway, is there any books out there that I can really get a good hang of how it is going to be? i mean a book that isn't like a cartoon book that makes everything in the army seems like a joke.
I saw a lot of military books from places like US and UK, but when it comes to local books, they are just a bunch of cartoons and too lighthearted to be taken seriously.
Well, this may get this topic banned again, but I only wanted to ask if what is written on that (not supposed to be advertise blog) actually is for real or just that blogger making up stories about his experiences. I only thought we can have a good discussions on what that blogger said. Once again not advertising if you guys ever believe me.
I need someone to tell me how I should feel about all this, not to be called a kid, immature etc and expect me to just take it from there in this time and age.
most of the time, the kengster isnt well liked
Originally posted by Kei 1.618:Well, thanks guys but please don't start chiding me when you guys have already gone through your obligation. And of course I a kid and very much proud of it.
there is little point strerotyping here and it just makes me feel like you guys are just watching the fire from the other side of the bank.
There are many ways I can grow up to be a stronger, fitter and more mature person and I feel there is no need for an organization to direct me towards that.
Anyway, is there any books out there that I can really get a good hang of how it is going to be? i mean a book that isn't like a cartoon book that makes everything in the army seems like a joke.
I saw a lot of military books from places like US and UK, but when it comes to local books, they are just a bunch of cartoons and too lighthearted to be taken seriously.
Well, this may get this topic banned again, but I only wanted to ask if what is written on that (not supposed to be advertise blog) actually is for real or just that blogger making up stories about his experiences. I only thought we can have a good discussions on what that blogger said. Once again not advertising if you guys ever believe me.
I need someone to tell me how I should feel about all this, not to be called a kid, immature etc and expect me to just take it from there in this time and age.
Everyone has difference experience about the same thing so what a person writes should be taken at face value and just how the person feels at that moment. You might go through the exact same experiences and come out of it with an entirely different set of experiences.
If you want to read about anything or others blogs about NS life, you can read. Anything you are unsure about you can ask but this is not the place for discussion about what others write in their blogs but a place to answer questions regarding NS itself.
Yes, I agree u dun need NS to make you into a mature sensible person. Likewise, there are ppl who are ginnas before NS, ginnas during NS, still ginna after NS, have kids liao still behave like a f**king ginna.
I can also tell u, u say keng thru NS, unlikely one. Because u automatically become company/unit MARKED man. People think of sai gang, they think of you, people think of extra, they think of you, people think duty, people think of you, any kang tou that involve burning your weekend, they think of you.
So the more u try to keng, the more sh*t you will be getting. SURE, some units may have loop holes that u can get away with it BUT how sure u can get into these units and KAH officers/enciks get change regularly, how u can ensure that loop hole doesn't close.
Everyone kengs in the force the main thing is not to spoilt market (yours and the others).
If you want to keng must do it before enlisting.
Keng for a Pes C or E status and you will have a good life in ns and not go in already than kana xiong unit and than try to keng mc ro downgrade..
Originally posted by Kei 1.618:Well, thanks guys but please don't start chiding me when you guys have already gone through your obligation. And of course I a kid and very much proud of it.
there is little point strerotyping here and it just makes me feel like you guys are just watching the fire from the other side of the bank.
There are many ways I can grow up to be a stronger, fitter and more mature person and I feel there is no need for an organization to direct me towards that.
Anyway, is there any books out there that I can really get a good hang of how it is going to be? i mean a book that isn't like a cartoon book that makes everything in the army seems like a joke.
I saw a lot of military books from places like US and UK, but when it comes to local books, they are just a bunch of cartoons and too lighthearted to be taken seriously.
Well, this may get this topic banned again, but I only wanted to ask if what is written on that (not supposed to be advertise blog) actually is for real or just that blogger making up stories about his experiences. I only thought we can have a good discussions on what that blogger said. Once again not advertising if you guys ever believe me.
I need someone to tell me how I should feel about all this, not to be called a kid, immature etc and expect me to just take it from there in this time and age.
We are not just watching the fire from across the bank. We have been through the fire itself. Whatever you felt as a pre-enlistee, we have felt it before as well. So don't you say that we don't understand how you feel.
It is your response to your pre-enlistment jitters that is offensive, immature, and befitting of a child's thinking. There is a proper way to deal with it, e.g. by asking your seniors about what BMT is all about, what to expect, etc etc..... now that is how a truly mature person deals with it. You do not deal with it by toying with the idea of kenging. Put it firmly out of your mind.
Right now every person who sees your first post is thinking 'What lah, haven't enlisted also, this %#%#$# want to keng already?'
As all the old birds will tell you, the kengster is the most-hated person in the platoon. Why? Because when you keng, other people would have to bear your roles and responsibilities on top of what they already have to do.
And besides, as I said before, this sort of mentality will lead to two years of suffering for you. And it's not just about the prospect everyone else hating you. Rather, while everyone else goes out with useful experiences, knowledge, and maturity, you get nothing. It's gonna be a long, long two years for you......
Originally posted by Kei 1.618:
SORRY! SORRY! About making my last trend sound like an advertisement.
I wasn't advertising at all.Promise. And I know what you must be thinking but I am not the blogger. Cheez I have better stuff to do now (after I got the enlistment letter) than advertise for some blog site I just stumbled upon.
Anyway I was just fiddling with the idea whether to keng my way through NS or not and came upon that stupid blog(which I shall not name here). I thought what the blogger says is true or fiction so I assume I could get some opinion on that. Sorry for the confusion.
Pre-enlistment jitters i guess.
U should take it as positive. NS prepares u for the working world. Which country in the world does that?
Even kengsters learn a thing or two about operational effectiveness, management ect.
In some countries like Australia, they do incorporate workplace training into their tertiary studies to emphasize on being practical, but real operational management is what NS teaches.
Hey man what PES status are you? If you're PES B you should just think about doing things properly and finishing off your service safely. Just remember to use your common sense. If you are PES C or E, see what unit you get sent to. If you get sent to a "slack/keng" unit, then I suggest you don't be outstanding and keng together with the rest. Just remember, watch out for your fellow man whether you guys are chionging or kenging together. Just use your brain. Your goal is to get thru the 2 years safely without getting into trouble.
erhmm, fudgester, try your best to refrain from calling people kid, immature etc etc. It doesn't give strength to your argument. And if your only way of getting points across is name calling then don't expect the discussion to end in a polite mature fashion.
BTW respect is earned in other ways and don't expect that being born earlier automatically earns you respect.
I have to say you must have a great wealth of experience to share because you have been through what I have not. However, try looking at things from a less myopic point of view and perhaps you can have better advice. Don't go around starting a conversation with " Hello immature, silly kids.."
Anyway i apologize to the moderator for once again mentioning about the blog previously. Sorry about it. Like I clarified already I wasn't advertising. You cant go to a beverage discussion forum without mentioning Coke. Again screw that blog(which is getting me into so much trouble) and i guess that blogger is another complete fake who is just making crap stories.
My concern here is although I know it cannot be avoided, I wonder what gives you strength when you are enlisted in a combat unit? What pushes people to climb a mountain they never wanted to climb, run an extra kilometer just because the other guy who only happens to be 1 year older than you is screaming is ass off at you?
Sorry i am thinking way ahead after BMT. i understand the part on go with a positive attitude. Well thats easier said than done.
keng...
oh dear say so much about urself..
Originally posted by Xelement:most of the time, the kengster isnt well liked
yea ...they will be detest n nobody gonna help them..
do u know why ours always in cartoon..becos ours is a joke compared to what they are doing in the US n UK.
since its already a waste of time..why not make the best out of it ..so its not so ' waste of time ' at least u learn something. Try to keng .. have u seen those keng-ster life more hard than the others.. becos they have to try ways n many ways while others just follow.
if u got it i must say good for u then. but most of the time.. that wont be the case..
Just do it ! kids.
Originally posted by Kei 1.618:My concern here is although I know it cannot be avoided, I wonder what gives you strength when you are enlisted in a combat unit? What pushes people to climb a mountain they never wanted to climb, run an extra kilometer just because the other guy who only happens to be 1 year older than you is screaming is ass off at you?
Sorry i am thinking way ahead after BMT. i understand the part on go with a positive attitude. Well thats easier said than done.
Very often its urs peers that gives u strength to push on. Esp in combat units, everyone beomes more tightly bonded and depends on each other for support. As long as you do not keng and tries ur best, people around will generaly offer support and help and hopefully you do likewise.
Rather than only rely on external motivation, alot has to come from within as well. External motivation can do nothing if internal you have already given up the fight.
Do not expect to be treated well or have any high expectations. Expect the minimal and you will be less disappointed. Most forumers including myself may not have enjoyed or look forward to NS before we go but some of us as we continue on, we find our role in the army and we either enjoy or at least gain experiences from what we do.
Most regulars here hates kengsters, u will get flame badly for even mentioning about how to keng etc. I don't think any of the regulars here bother to post here just to advice ppl on how to keng and chances are such people will get flame by many others including myself for promoting kenging in NS.
Originally posted by Kei 1.618:erhmm, fudgester, try your best to refrain from calling people kid, immature etc etc. It doesn't give strength to your argument. And if your only way of getting points across is name calling then don't expect the discussion to end in a polite mature fashion.
BTW respect is earned in other ways and don't expect that being born earlier automatically earns you respect.
I have to say you must have a great wealth of experience to share because you have been through what I have not. However, try looking at things from a less myopic point of view and perhaps you can have better advice. Don't go around starting a conversation with " Hello immature, silly kids.."
Anyway i apologize to the moderator for once again mentioning about the blog previously. Sorry about it. Like I clarified already I wasn't advertising. You cant go to a beverage discussion forum without mentioning Coke. Again screw that blog(which is getting me into so much trouble) and i guess that blogger is another complete fake who is just making crap stories.
My concern here is although I know it cannot be avoided, I wonder what gives you strength when you are enlisted in a combat unit? What pushes people to climb a mountain they never wanted to climb, run an extra kilometer just because the other guy who only happens to be 1 year older than you is screaming is ass off at you?
Sorry i am thinking way ahead after BMT. i understand the part on go with a positive attitude. Well thats easier said than done.
Sigh.... you seriously don't get it at all....
It is really not about you being younger. It also is not about me being older. Rather, it is all about your behaviour. That is what that is immature and childish.
Come on, I teach younger people in school. You seriously think I treat them as immature people just because they are younger? No. Rather, I respect those students of mine who behave in a way befitting of their own age. As I tell them, I can treat them as adults if they behave as the adults that they are supposed to be. I don't expect any respect from them, but I expect them to behave appropriately if they want respect from me.
You think I'm being myopic? In what way? For not trying to understand your psyche - when I've already said that we've all been through the pre-enlistment phase of uncertainty and jitters? You're the one who doesn't want to look at NS with an open mind and are thinking of kenging.
So get this point: it is not about your age, because I wasn't even thinking of your age. It is also not about me not being able to understand you, because I have been through what you're going through right now. It is about your behaviour.
Yes, you are jittery, and we've all been through that. So was I when I was in your position. So by all means, go ahead and ask about things like what to expect in the army, and stuff like that.
But for your own sake, please take out any thoughts of kenging. If you want real advice, then that is as real as it gets, for kenging will get you into a lot of trouble. Really.
Originally posted by fudgester:Sigh.... you seriously don't get it at all....
It is really not about you being younger. It also is not about me being older. Rather, it is all about your behaviour. That is what that is immature and childish.
Come on, I teach younger people in school. You seriously think I treat them as immature people just because they are younger? No. Rather, I respect those students of mine who behave in a way befitting of their own age. As I tell them, I can treat them as adults if they behave as the adults that they are supposed to be. I don't expect any respect from them, but I expect them to behave appropriately if they want respect from me.
You think I'm being myopic? In what way? For not trying to understand your psyche - when I've already said that we've all been through the pre-enlistment phase of uncertainty and jitters? You're the one who doesn't want to look at NS with an open mind and are thinking of kenging.
So get this point: it is not about your age, because I wasn't even thinking of your age. It is also not about me not being able to understand you, because I have been through what you're going through right now. It is about your behaviour.
Yes, you are jittery, and we've all been through that. So was I when I was in your position. So by all means, go ahead and ask about things like what to expect in the army, and stuff like that.
But for your own sake, please take out any thoughts of kenging. If you want real advice, then that is as real as it gets, for kenging will get you into a lot of trouble. Really.
Younger/immature is too mild.
Idiot would have been a better term here.
Dear Kei 1.618
This is my first and probably last post in this forum. I am the author to that blog you were mentioning and I was attracted to post a reply because my friend inform me that a slightly heated discussion is going on here over what I have written.
As for my blog it is actually a project I worked with with SAF couple of years ago. Upon submission, they binned it stating that it was way too contravesial, irresponsible and politicaly incorrect. Not to mention leaking of confidential information. So it became a book that was never published.
I recently decided to blog it because I am now MR and there is nothing much they can do with me now. And I just wanted another place to store the manuscript.
If you have read some of it i thank you but i hope you stop going around talking about it. That is my experience as a 1st Guards Scout and those experiences are dear to me so don't start anything that may get my blog removed for any reason.
As for where you got the idea of malingering. It is definately not from my blog. You have to learn that reading chapter 1 of any book doesn't tell you how it is going to end.
Army experiences is something most male Singapoeans have and like some forumers have already pointed out - yours will be unique to you. My advice, if you ever bother, is this; aim for a good unit if your body and health allows. It may be the best thing you have done in your entire life. Who knows you may just end up pushing papers through a copier till you retire at 60.
As for moderators of this forum, i respect what you are doing and you guys will probably ban this reply as soon as you see it. So kei 1.618 if you want to carry this discussion further come to my blog hearlandsoldier.wordpress.com and leave a comment. Leave this forum and stop messing around here.
You will meet people like me, friend. People who will make kengsters' life VERY difficult. I hate chao keng kia with a passion. The workload in my unit is extremely heavy. During a peak period, it is common only to return back home for a few hours and booking back in, which will last for 4-6 weeks. There is this chao keng kia in my unit. Used to like taking MCs on weekend duties. Fortunately, I have quite a good rapport with my encik, so I managed to convinced him to make the fella sign 10 extra duties, all to be done on weekends. Sure, he had that saturday free due to the MC, only to return and burn 10 more weekends. He stopped taking MCs on weekends, but I am just waiting for him to do it again, so I can strike and have the encik charge him DB or at least SOL.
Not only that, I make sure whenever there are new birds joining in, they will know about this guy's behaviour. I love humiliating him in front of everybody. And unfortunately for the poor bastard, there's alot of people like me in the unit. He basically has no friends in there and yes, it's a stay-in unit.
I might not meet you in NS, but rest assured, there are people who can't stand kengsters and there are people who hate them. Enjoy your NS life, people like me will enjoy making you suffer.
Kengsters are bastards who made my life and my mates tough when we had to clean their shit.
HAHA... yea... There are regulars in the saf.. just there to play with the kengster..
quite fun to see actually..
Originally posted by SBS2601D:Kengsters are bastards who made my life and my mates tough when we had to clean their shit.
thats why we also need ' bastards ' to deal with them... during my time.. my encik just love to... u make pple life hard... i will make ur life hard too..
LOL, what is happening? I said i was fiddling with the idea and all I get is a barrage accusing me of a thought.
Mr Blahhh, I really think the missed out on the crux of this arguement. And speaks volumes about yourself of how you derive enjoyment from getting people into trouble just because they have a differnt opinion from you and also because you know someone of higher ranking. typical blackbird wouldn't that be? I guess deep down inside people dont like you either ya? because i read somewhere that lackeys are rank way up on the detestable list, way ahead of a kengster.
Anyway, glad we probably won't be meeting. Who knows I may just unfortunately get selected to OCS and end up rank over you?
And to the author of the blog, way to go for coming into this discussion. Oh my, what have I started here...
oh dear... in army..rank is power..
but then.. its not everything.
wrong is still wrong..
right is still right
hmm ok.. dont want post liao .. good luck !