Brigadier-General (BG) Ishak Ismail
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A general chiong to the front line can only operate a rifle. A general at HQ can oversee the whole situation and operate an army.
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I agree with skythewood statement. In fact, in a real war, the closer a general is with his men, the more danger he pose to them. However, I agree with many forumers that SAF lack operational experience. Peacekeeping mission is still not as realistice as war. Peacekeeping is bascially protecting people while in war is bascially killing people. However, I believed that SAF is gradually taking up steps to gain more experience by participating in more & more dangerous mission. While there is a need to gain operation experience, we have to bear in mind that SAF is sending singaporean boys & girls to war zone. Will your parents allow you to go to Iraq or Agfanistaion to fight along the US now?? What if we read the news tomorrow that certain SAF soldier killed or injured in Agfanisation???
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This is probably why all PSO missions require volunteers. The sensitivity of sending NSFs for combat missions without their own permission is something we are probably not up to dealing with, at the moment.
Even many Americans were quite unhappy that their state National Guard (which are volunteer citizen soldiers) were federalised and deployed abroad for OIF and OEF.
However, I'm still optimistic that we are slowly moving up the ability curve, and that our regulars sent abroad are more than able to carry out whatever needs to be done.
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
I think we have to be realistic here…which general does not give command from his HQ & dun follow his men to battlefield? Even US generals command the Gulf War & Iraq War from the comfort of their HQ. Likewise those garang generals from PLA, DPRK etc also command from the HQ.
During the Gulf war, the real command of the battle is from the white house then to the pentagon & lastly the forward command is at saudi arabia. The rationale is that commanding from behind provide a wider perspective of the battlefield scenerio and better situational awareness. Imagine, if a general get killed while fighting his troops, do u think the entire army will be demoralised? How many lives will be lost then?
Fyi, my former battaltion CO in active days was a scholar also. He was a very young guy then certainly brilliant in his tactics and he formulate many unconvential tactics during our NSF ATEC. We achieved Redcon 2A in the end. Now he is the commander 9 Division.
Regardless whether he is a paper general or whatever, so long he can accomplish his objective is good enough.
I know who you are talking about. BG Tan Chuan Jin. Oh man.. he is just brilliant.
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I have a thread on him here. http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/362413
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
ever saw a two bar/ who is a big name lawyerin the legal world, dig trench
with resevist till early morning and buy breakfast for
reservist?
So what the big deal about that?
pardon me but your post reeks of sour grapes..
if this person is only a 2 bar, he is just a junior lawyer, not a 'big name' in legal circles, and for your information, to compare apples with apples, young lawyers earn less than half of what some of young army officers earn, and senior lawyers earn less than our SAF commanders earn. of cos we know from those people who know nothing about these things, they're easily impressed and swayed by social stereotypes about lawyers and doctors.
I hate to break it to you, but most of the non lawyer and doctors high fliers have earnings that completely obliterate their peanut pay.
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a male lawyer who finally finishes his studies and pupilage at 26, only starts at $3.5k, only the few on dean's list can ask for higher pay but rarely exceeding $4k. Even a kukujiao SMS earns much more than that when he comes back at 25.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
i think what i gather was that most of our forumners are saying our generals does not have battlefield experiences.
command under stress and command under peace time can be quite different.
They have no 'real' war experience, as long as they are good enough to fulfil what SAF is supposed to do- be too formidable for enemies to consider attacking us.
The one day Singapore is attacked and SAF is mobilised to fight off the attackers, is the day you will have this 'real' war experience of our generals you keep harping about.
Do you realise the irony of this? you're using the peace you enjoy because of them, against them to say they have hence, no 'real' war experience because SAF is doing what it's supposed to do. I'd love to see all of you except singmarine take up your SAR 21 and fight along for Singapore when the day comes, so that you can talk about the general's 'real' war experience, the one day if SAF fails to do its job.
Also, an ATEC mission is as good as it gets for most countries. And for the officers, it is war to them. It's their war against the other commanders.
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Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
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what is his educational qualifications? is he a scholar and studied in the top universities?
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Originally posted by marcteng:
what is his educational qualifications? is he a scholar and studied in the top universities?
from what i understand he is a farmer.
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Originally posted by monoslayer:
back den, all these were classified info.
I hope we appreciate that so long SAF do not need to fight a war that means SAF has already won the war. 10 years has passed & more information are declassified. Our unit has only 1 year left to MR but we will never ever forget the nerve-breaking experience we went through. When we return for every ICT, we will always talk abt this memories. Anyone still want to go real ops ? -
Originally posted by insidestory:
from what i understand he is a farmer.
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Originally posted by marcteng:
farmer? who told you that?I once asked him what his background was, where he studied.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
I once asked him what his background was, where he studied.
you asked him? when and how? he knew him, he was your CO? -
singmarine. I am curious to know, how old was Tan Chuan Jin when he was your CO? You said he was very young. The youngest CO i know was 29.
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Back to the lawyer joke above, even a normal graduate engineering or logistics officer's starting salary one year from graduation in SAF is higher than a lawyer and doctor's, no need to compare with combat officers. Make no mistake, our soldiers both scholar and farmer are very well paid, remuneration is meant to compete with what that person (either a scholar or farmer) will get outside the SAF with that person's corresponding competency and qualification level.
now that some of u have your illusions about certain jobs shattered let me just say the only way to make unlimited income is through insurance sales or starting your own business.
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I got this from berita harian-
Yeah,he's a farmer.His educational background was he got an Bachelor of Arts in Economics and Sociology in 1986.He then got an MBA in 2003.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
singmarine. I am curious to know, how old was Tan Chuan Jin when he was your CO? You said he was very young. The youngest CO i know was 29.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
Back to the lawyer joke above, even a normal graduate engineering or logistics officer's starting salary one year from graduation in SAF is higher than a lawyer and doctor's, no need to compare with combat officers. Make no mistake, our soldiers both scholar and farmer are very well paid, remuneration is meant to compete with what that person (either a scholar or farmer) will get outside the SAF with that person's corresponding competency and qualification level.
now that some of u have your illusions about certain jobs shattered let me just say the only way to make unlimited income is through insurance sales or starting your own business.
life in army is regimental, wear a uniform and if you made a mistake, you can be charged and your career in SAF can be finished or condemned. SAF pay you higher so that can entice people to serve and protect the country, if not who wants to sign on rite. also the career in SAF is quite short, like 50 for officers? -
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My bad, you said 9 Div, I thought you said 3Div. Tan Chuan Jin IS a division commander too.