7 Core Values ?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
How do you know that robots can be fags, nevermind being sexually active? You have been sucking too much of your infernal diety's penis again? The country is a political entity and the people means the citizens of the country. If the country doesn't serve the people, the people have the right to leave for a new country or request for a new government. If war was unilaterally declared by an unwanted government, who wants to hang around for the violent fallout?
lol, you're such a contradicting moron. first you claimed to have sex with my mum with your "10 metres penis" (such low self esteem issues.. tsk tsk), now you're telling me something about a robot who has no ability to be sexually active. make up your mind you silly little prick.
the country has no ability to serve. a country is... just a plot of land. the govt, on the other hand is a political entity. seriously, stop trying to sooth your ego by imaginating you have a 10 metres penis wanting to bang a milf or that you're some fancy back-to-the-future robot and live in reality ya?
i'm starting to believe your claim abt surviving IMH "unscathed" (like wtf that means anyway) ;)
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol, you're such a contradicting moron. first you claimed to have sex with my mum with your "10 metres penis" (such low self esteem issues.. tsk tsk), now you're telling me something about a robot who has no ability to be sexually active. make up your mind you silly little prick.
the country has no ability to serve. a country is... just a plot of land. the govt, on the other hand is a political entity. seriously, stop trying to sooth your ego by imaginating you have a 10 metres penis wanting to bang a milf or that you're some fancy back-to-the-future robot and live in reality ya?
i'm starting to believe your claim abt surviving IMH "unscathed" (like wtf that means anyway) ;)
Who said a robot needs a real human penis and by the way, what makes you think I am human? Ever tried looking up Herzog Zwei? A plot of land is not a country, a country is a political entity. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Who said a robot needs a real human penis and by the way, what makes you think I am human? Ever tried looking up Herzog Zwei? A plot of land is not a country, a country is a political entity.lol, sorry to ruin your ego trip, but do i look like i care enough to know what your nick means?
a country is a country. a political party is a political entity.
eg:
country = singapore, malaysia, usa, china
political entity = PAP, UMNO, Democrats, Communist party
the country how to serve the people? it's the ruling party who serves the people.
get it, you stupid faggy "robot" (whatever)
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Oh My gosh, Robot peepee///....wow! Terminator Salvation, must be.
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Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
It is propaganda. The government starts its propaganda in sec sch. (social studies)
no lah, i thot its started from my PAP kindergarden days??Every morning before class, me and my kido mates hv to shout
PAP! PAP! PAP! PEE PEE Hurray!! X 3. Those not shouting hv to stand throughout the lessons
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Originally posted by Ah Chia: But here, the SAF is under control of state. What do you mean by control of state? If you think that it is independent and not controlled by the ruling party, then you are very naive.
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Originally posted by pearlie27:
Originally posted by Ah Chia: But here, the SAF is under control of state.
What do you mean by control of state? If you think that it is independent and not controlled by the ruling party, then you are very naive.
Sigh...pearlie, who makes up the SAF?
It's our people, our fellow citizens, brothers, fathers, sisters, even mothers inside, along with our relatives and friends. Is there a need to fear our own SAF, whose sole duty had been always been to protect and defend us the people? Had it ever interfered in our political affairs? Are there any uniformed soldier as MP in our Parliament?
It only exists to train us on warfare and its organisation, keeping the reservists constantly updated on the latest information and tactics, so that in an outbreak of war or wars, we will be prepared and organised, unlike our forefathers who were kept stupid by the brits and annihilated by the squat jap bastards in 1942.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol, sorry to ruin your ego trip, but do i look like i care enough to know what your nick means?
a country is a country. a political party is a political entity.
eg:
country = singapore, malaysia, usa, china
political entity = PAP, UMNO, Democrats, Communist party
the country how to serve the people? it's the ruling party who serves the people.
get it, you stupid faggy "robot" (whatever)
At least, I got the cojones to speak up against injustice! What kind of moral or immoral being are you? A country has borders and government, hence it is a political entity.
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Country - a geographical area with physical dimensions
Nation - its people, history culture
State - the governing legal and political entity.
Gosh, do we really need perfect english and terms here in a forum which is not a literary heaven anyway, to understand what we really mean?
A) " I am fighting for my country" - can be commonly interpretated as meant fighting for a piece of rock and everyone that exists on the rock.
B.)I am fighting for my Nation" - same explanation.
C.) "I am fighting for the State" - can be commonly interpretated as meant the government and the ruling party,
but in Singapore, can the government and ruling party exists WITHOUT authority by vote from its people? No, thus even if one say fighting for the state, it would mean fighting for everyone as well as the land.
Country, Nation or State ultimately means one and similar thing - its people. Who can be more important than the people, regardless if we say we fight for our country or nation or state?
Hope that clears the issue up. Any further erudition, i guess we all need to go back to school and this place renamed as the "Queen's Perfect English and usuage Clarity Forum". Any violators of the Queen's engrishh gets banned, and probably me with be first one lor!
So chill out, will yer,guys? You'll are on the same page - 'protectin and defendin the people' - as far as I and probably readers reading here. It aint worth an ounce of energy you both goin on and on.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
At least, I got the cojones to speak up against injustice! What kind of moral or immoral being are you? A country has borders and government, hence it is a political entity.
lol, what standing up? all i see here is a deluded faggot who sits behind a computer, griping against the govt, without any personal risk. and he thinks he's speaking up against injustice
you want to stand up against injustice, stand beside dr chee in person.
or else all i see is just someone with a big mouth, big enough to stuff 20 sausages inside.
lol.. i told u to go read a dictionary instead of just using it as a personal dildo.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol, what standing up? all i see here is a deluded faggot who sits behind a computer, griping against the govt, without any personal risk. and he thinks he's speaking up against injustice
you want to stand up against injustice, stand beside dr chee in person.
or else all i see is just someone with a big mouth, big enough to stuff 20 sausages inside.
lol.. i told u to go read a dictionary instead of just using it as a personal dildo.
Woah, stand beside Dr Chee is justice? You god-sucking fag who act so high and mighty yet prefer to create disorder. The only legal party is the party that comes to power via election, not by creating disorder. Acting self-righteous yet can only suck his infernal diety's penis and creating disorder. Go read the dictionary which you keep using as a dildo because I only use dictionaries for the original purpose.
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i recite because after that i can DRINK UP!
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Country - a geographical area with physical dimensions
Nation - its people, history culture
State - the governing legal and political entity.
Gosh, do we really need perfect english and terms here in a forum which is not a literary heaven anyway, to understand what we really mean?
A) " I am fighting for my country" - can be commonly interpretated as meant fighting for a piece of rock and everyone that exists on the rock.
B.)I am fighting for my Nation" - same explanation.
C.) "I am fighting for the State" - can be commonly interpretated as meant the government and the ruling party,
but in Singapore, can the government and ruling party exists WITHOUT authority by vote from its people? No, thus even if one say fighting for the state, it would mean fighting for everyone as well as the land.
Country, Nation or State ultimately means one and similar thing - its people. Who can be more important than the people, regardless if we say we fight for our country or nation or state?
Hope that clears the issue up. Any further erudition, i guess we all need to go back to school and this place renamed as the "Queen's Perfect English and usuage Clarity Forum". Any violators of the Queen's engrishh gets banned, and probably me with be first one lor!
So chill out, will yer,guys? You'll are on the same page - 'protectin and defendin the people' - as far as I and probably readers reading here. It aint worth an ounce of energy you both goin on and on.
If there is a abuse of power, then the SAF won't be fighting for the people.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
If there is a abuse of power, then the SAF won't be fighting for the people.
That is a very serious and dangerous, if not groundless belief. Singapore is not China
All I can say without fear and favour is that the military is to defend the country made up of its people. The SAF had already sworn an oath of allegiance to the people. Let us not blaspheme, impuge, or defile the honour and integrity of our cherish and treasured institution and its personnel whom had protected us from our neighbours' saber-rattling and more vocal warmongers for years since independance.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
That is a very serious and dangerous, if not groundless belief. Singapore is not China
All I can say without fear and favour is that the military is to defend the country made up of its people. The SAF had already sworn an oath of allegiance to the people. Let us not blaspheme, impuge, or defile the honour and integrity of our cherish and treasured institution and its personnel whom had protected us from our neighbours' saber-rattling and more vocal warmongers for years since independance.
SAF did not swore any oath to the people but to the government and state of Singapore. The constituition of Singapore ensures the government to be democratically elected but nothing can ensure the intergrity of the government except the conscience of government.
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The 7 core values was concieved by LG(NS) Bay Soon Khiang, then Chief of Defence Forces, to serve as a guidance for the common soldiers and their leaders. It is not an oath per se and was never intended to be. All soldiers already have sworn an oath upon enlistment and reaffirmed it every year on 1st July or other special functions. We, members of the Singapore Armed Forces, do solemnly and sincerely pledge that we will always bear true faith and allegiance to the President and the Republic of Singapore. We will always support and defend the Constitution. We will preserve and protect the honour and independence of our country with our lives. Everyone with a common sense understands that when we protect our Nation, it is equivalent to protecting our homes and our way of life.Arguing over the wording is quite redundant really when it doesn't change this fact.
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HEH! to hell with the 7 core values!!
That is for recruits! where got time for water parade when you're lao jiao?
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Originally posted by loki_chaos:
HEH! to hell with the 7 core values!!
That is for recruits! where got time for water parade when you're lao jiao?
Quite true, especially when you are busy playing dota or watching movie together.
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Originally posted by loki_chaos:
HEH! to hell with the 7 core values!!
That is for recruits! where got time for water parade when you're lao jiao?
Yeah thats true! I even drank the nite before we supposed to move out for 4 day exercise. Try a bad hangover and a 10km tab to objective...haha
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
SAF did not swore any oath to the people but to the government and state of Singapore. The constituition of Singapore ensures the government to be democratically elected but nothing can ensure the intergrity of the government except the conscience of government.
The SAF oath is sworn to the president of Singapore, the president of Singapore is the head of state. The SAF oath is not sworn to any political party.
Even if you have a 10 inch penis as claimed, your brain is obviously 10mm in girth. which is sad.
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Originally posted by Gloater:
The SAF oath is sworn to the president of Singapore, the president of Singapore is the head of state. The SAF oath is not sworn to any political party.
Even if you have a 10 inch penis as claimed, your brain is obviously 10mm in girth. which is sad.
ahem, but do you realise that the president is too a member of a political party?
the minister of defence who is suppose to be in charge of the generals, who are in turn running the SAF, is also someone from a political party.
also, with a couple of generals in the ruling party running crucial posts, they do have a significant influence over the SAF.
True, that the SAF oath is not sworn to any political party, but due to the dominance of the ruling party, the saf may as well be indirectly sworn to the ruling party.
as a soldier, true, we sworn our allegiance to the country, but who's the one who will actually issue any orders for us to carry out? the ruling party.
so i would like to pose a qsn here. so what happen if singapore was to one day end up like thailand, where the people cannot seems to arrive at a compromise regarding their choice of leaders? will we still obey the orders of an unpopular (albeit legal) government, or would you go with the wishes of the masses.
I believe that it is this confusion and uncertainty which causes the Thai police to side with the pro-thaksin protesters in their taking over of the airport.
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I beg to differ:
"the SAF oath is not sworn to any political party..."
To be in a singaporean political party, have to be singaporean right? And for being a singaporean, for almost all guys, excluding disabled, gays, mentally challenged, deferred, have all recited the SAF oath.(not really linked)
And how many females do you see sitting in the Parliament?
"as a soldier, true, we sworn our allegiance to the country, but who's the one who will actually issue any orders for us to carry out? the ruling party."
even so, if we really would fight a war, we would be fighting for our loved ones, not the ruling party.
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Depends on the type of war we are ordered to fight. Looking at our terrain size, the war we fight will always be pre-emptive. we will be the ones starting the ball rolling.
Anyway we should always fight for our family and loved ones and also the men next to you in combat. Politics is shit when bullets fly.
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
as a soldier, true, we sworn our allegiance to the country, but who's the one who will actually issue any orders for us to carry out? the ruling party.
so i would like to pose a qsn here. so what happen if singapore was to one day end up like thailand, where the people cannot seems to arrive at a compromise regarding their choice of leaders? will we still obey the orders of an unpopular (albeit legal) government, or would you go with the wishes of the masses.
There should be no question.
A) Ruling parties or opposition parties, once the election is over, the one with the majority vote wins, meaning they have the mandate of the People to rule. They are no longer 'ruling party' or 'opposition' parties.
They are Singaporeans and the Government of Singapore, the sole and rightful administrators of the country and the voice of the people represented in the PM by the cabinet. It is the duty of every citizen to rally and unite behind the people's choice.
The only 'ruling parties' or 'opposition parties' are the legislatives, who have no power of authority to administer saved for the hearing of citizen's views, debate of laws and policies, to be approve by the cabinet.
B.) In the event of civil crisis, MAKE DAMN SURE IT WILL NOT EXISTS. So choose your MPs wisely. Such a situation MUST NEVER, NEVER occur. The pitting of brother against brother, families against families, citizens against citizens, must not happen no matter how divided we become on issues. We still have the freedom to vote, to determine a mandate.
But some stubborn ones will ask, what if. The truth is that it had never happened before, no armed soldiers were used to roam the streets saved for the manhunt for a dangerous terrorist, for the past 44 years, despite what many claimed had been authoritarian rule. But what if it happen one day? ( READ POINT B. AGAIN)
The day, IF it happens, will be that the elected MP and his grassroot organisation had failed in his duty either to listen to his constituents or explain a govt policy effectively to the people, which is no excuse for our county is only small and comms is never an issue.
While it may not be possible to please EVERYONE, at least the majority will accept policies if effectively put across reasonably and logically with compassion if needed. It will only be a minority who may not be pleased, but then it is only a minority, and that's the job of the police (home affairs) to maintain order, not soldiers whose sole duty is defence.
Therefore, our oath is to the military defence our country, which is made up of our People, everyone and everything IN Singapore.
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
ahem, but do you realise that the president is too a member of a political party?
the minister of defence who is suppose to be in charge of the generals, who are in turn running the SAF, is also someone from a political party.
also, with a couple of generals in the ruling party running crucial posts, they do have a significant influence over the SAF.
True, that the SAF oath is not sworn to any political party, but due to the dominance of the ruling party, the saf may as well be indirectly sworn to the ruling party.
as a soldier, true, we sworn our allegiance to the country, but who's the one who will actually issue any orders for us to carry out? the ruling party.
so i would like to pose a qsn here. so what happen if singapore was to one day end up like thailand, where the people cannot seems to arrive at a compromise regarding their choice of leaders? will we still obey the orders of an unpopular (albeit legal) government, or would you go with the wishes of the masses.
I believe that it is this confusion and uncertainty which causes the Thai police to side with the pro-thaksin protesters in their taking over of the airport.
The Singapore president is not and CANNOT be a member of ANY political party, let alone the ruling one. President position in Singapore, any regular serviceman in the armed forces and yes this includes the army, and ALL civil servants including the top non-political position in ALL THE MINISTRIES- which is the Permanent Secretary have to be non-partisan. They cannot belong to any political party. (this is not the US where the president is their version of our PM, and thus Obama belongs to a political party).
Military officers who seek allegiance with any political party ie seek political office must leave the SAF before doing so, or did so after they retired from SAF. That is why PM Lee, left the SAF before he sought political office.
Your sentence that the defence minister aka Teo Chee Hean belonging to a political party is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Obviously....He is a minister. ALL ministers belong to a political party. ALL ministers are MPs. MP means politician. Got political office except NMPs. MPs are the guys who listen to the grouses of the heartlanders every week and canvas for people's votes. They are partisan. All ministers are partisan to a party. Not all MPs are ministers. Most are not. ALL MPs belong to a party they pledge allegiance to. ALL ministers are MPs.
The Permanent Secretary is right one level below minister. Perm Sec is the biggest non-political boss of every ministry and he serves whichever minister of the party that wins the election. This means if tom SDP wins the election, Peter Ho, Head of Civil Service who is the boss of all the perm secs will work for the SDP elected PM.
And each ministry's Perm Sec will work for the new minister elected by SDP. All Administrative Officers, a group of top civil servants which includes Permanent Secretaries must be and are non-partisan.
It's clear to everyone you're not very educated. If you had gone to JC, you must have failed your GP.