Correlation of PES & Vocation ?

• Fatum

  11 Apr 09, 23:31

  Originally posted by tarutaru:

  Seriously Fatum, fyi , I do know someone who pass NAPFA to get the 2 months reduction for BMT then upon enlisted, he get OOC for BMT later get downgraded to Pes E perm, I don't know abt the TS motive but if he's like the guy I know, I would say it's a pretty smart move. Btw being epilepsy does not mean that he's less fit than any of us, like the guy I know, if he can pass NAPFA surely he's fitness is certainly at a certain level, the guy I know happened to have epilepsy attack whenever he's tense otherwise he's as normal as any of us.

  I'm sure a lot of aspiring kengsters would thank you for your tip there.

  And yes, he's probably quite fit too, I've met SAFSA squash players who's C1L1 (excused upper limb), and frigging track and field athletes who's excused lower limb (chap was OOC'ed from SISPEC too, ironically, before going onto SAFSA !)

  But you missed my point. My point is, during pre-enlistment, you'd be asked to declare any existing medical condition, no ? Does he mean to say he got posted to normal BMT, and THEN onto SISPEC, where he "almost" won the silver bayonet, and then even got posted next onto an unsuitable vocation, inspite of his declared medical condition ? Belieavable ? you tell me ...... Or he's one of those sort who "discovers" a lot of latent medical condition during NS, even more curiously in his case, after he went through "a lot of chiong sua shit ? Why the sudden noise and concern now ?

  or is he one of those fellows who had visions of wearing three stripes and knocking people down, or wearing kit kats and getting the sword during NS, and so failed to declare his condition, and then discovered that NS is not quite what he'd imagined it would be ? .... In that case, whose fault is it ? Imagine if some shit happens to the fellow ... who takes the blame ? who's really at fault ?

  All that is idle maundering on my part of course ... unfortunately, I spent today at sea, so here I am, pissing people off on a quite indoors saturday evening on the net ...

  But make no bones about it, I dislike intensely people who try to keng and worm their way through their service, because of the burden these farkers are placing onto other people who had to put in their 2.5 years and do their time, just like you and me.

• chanjyj

  12 Apr 09, 00:04

  Originally posted by Fatum:

  I'm sure a lot of aspiring kengsters would thank you for your tip there.

  And yes, he's probably quite fit too, I've met SAFSA squash players who's C1L1 (excused upper limb), and frigging track and field athletes who's excused lower limb (chap was OOC'ed from SISPEC too, ironically, before going onto SAFSA !)

  But you missed my point. My point is, during pre-enlistment, you'd be asked to declare any existing medical condition, no ? Does he mean to say he got posted to normal BMT, and THEN onto SISPEC, where he "almost" won the silver bayonet, and then even got posted next onto an unsuitable vocation, inspite of his declared medical condition ? Belieavable ? you tell me ...... Or he's one of those sort who "discovers" a lot of latent medical condition during NS, even more curiously in his case, after he went through "a lot of chiong sua shit ? Why the sudden noise and concern now ?

  or is he one of those fellows who had visions of wearing three stripes and knocking people down, or wearing kit kats and getting the sword during NS, and so failed to declare his condition, and then discovered that NS is not quite what he'd imagined it would be ? .... In that case, whose fault is it ? Imagine if some shit happens to the fellow ... who takes the blame ? who's really at fault ?

  All that is idle maundering on my part of course ... unfortunately, I spent today at sea, so here I am, pissing people off on a quite indoors saturday evening on the net ...

  But make no bones about it, I dislike intensely people who try to keng and worm their way through their service, because of the burden these farkers are placing onto other people who had to put in their 2.5 years and do their time, just like you and me.

  Fatum - I've been away from this forum for a damn long time, not that I haven't been viewing the topics. I've just been too lazy to post anything.

  However, I think this thread deserves some a post from me due to the many perceived conceptions I see here.

  Epilepsy is not always a condition one can get at birth. You can get it anytime, 20, 30, 40 years old. You won't know. It is entirely possible that this chap actually was struck by this condition only during SISPEC. I am not saying that this is what occurred, just offering an alternative view from a medical perspective.

  Also Fatum, the part about outfield, if his condition is not totally controlled yet, then what he says is justified. I do not for an instance believe medics will be able to handle an epileptic having an attack in the field, let alone in an office.

  During a seizure / fit he will need a MO's attention ASAP (depending on what kind of seizure it is too).

   

  TS: What medication are you on right now?

• Fatum

  12 Apr 09, 00:30

  Originally posted by chanjyj:

  Fatum - I've been away from this forum for a damn long time, not that I haven't been viewing the topics. I've just been too lazy to post anything.

  However, I think this thread deserves some a post from me due to the many perceived conceptions I see here.

  Epilepsy is not always a condition one can get at birth. You can get it anytime, 20, 30, 40 years old. You won't know. It is entirely possible that this chap actually was struck by this condition only during SISPEC. I am not saying that this is what occurred, just offering an alternative view from a medical perspective.

  Also Fatum, the part about outfield, if his condition is not totally controlled yet, then what he says is justified. I do not for an instance believe medics will be able to handle an epileptic having an attack in the field, let alone in an office.

  During a seizure / fit he will need a MO's attention ASAP (depending on what kind of seizure it is too).

   

  TS: What medication are you on right now?

  That he only got this during SISPEC is entirely possible of course, and now that you've kindly high-lighted the possibility, please excuse me while the cynical side of me bets a stick of my marlboros that there'll be an addendum post that yes, naturally, this is exactly what happened here.

  Oh, btw, epileptics, under Singapore's laws, and as far as I know, the laws of most other countries too, are prohibited from holding a driving license and operating any sort of vehicles ... aspiring "epileptics" would do well to take note.

   

• eldaazure

  12 Apr 09, 00:45

  Hi to everyone,

  Seems like there are alot of comotions, firstly, i'm an epileptic even b4 i enlist, i didn't declare becoz i thought of trying to earn more during the service. It's my fault that i didn't declare, one thing is becoz my first attack was in 2004 and the last in 2005, so total i had 2 attacks b4 enlisting. Anyway, i got kanned by the MOs for not declaring. No medications were given at that time, and, since it's dormant for 3 years, which is 2008, so, i didn't declare. Even before i enlist, i already know how fucked up the system is since my brother was once a regular.

  So, until recently, the attacks came back, i was given medication called tegratol at 200mg.And, my license are already revoked. So, according to Fatum, those "aspiring epileptics" if there's such a thing, pls do not have the attacks coz your license can be revoked if you can control. Also, my rank will be revert back to CPL soon, as told by my boss. Anyway, gotta book in tml at 9am, so, won't type much, and hm, i'll only see this forum next book out i guess. Thanks alot, this topic is interesting with Fatum. And, thanks alot to you guys. =)

  Seriously, i think this Fatum guy is a fucked up person, he's lucky not to be under me.

• chanjyj

  12 Apr 09, 00:45

  Originally posted by Fatum:

  That he only got this during SISPEC is entirely possible of course, and now that you've kindly high-lighted the possibility, please excuse me while the cynical side of me bets a stick of my marlboros that there'll be an addendum post that yes, naturally, this is exactly what happened here.

  Oh, btw, epileptics, under Singapore's laws, and as far as I know, the laws of most other countries too, are prohibited from holding a driving license and operating any sort of vehicles ... aspiring "epileptics" would do well to take note.

   

  

  Aiyah, why must you always be so cynical? Usually I can smell the kengsters a mile away. I don't think this TS is one of them.

   

  Anyway on a serious note, IIRC about 10 years back the Singapore Medical Association actually did prepare guidelines regarding certifying people "fit to drive".

  Guidelines went something along this lines:

   

  1. No brain lesion (Can't remember if it was a structural brain lesion)
  2. Seizure free for min 3 yrs
  3. EEG testing normal
  4. Not on anti-epileptic drugs for min 1 yr

  However, I think nothing came out of this an epileptics are still not allowed to drive.

   

• chanjyj

  12 Apr 09, 00:51

  Edit - had to dig up some old material regarding driving and epilepsy

• chanjyj

  12 Apr 09, 00:53

  Originally posted by eldaazure:

  Hi to everyone,

  Seems like there are alot of comotions, firstly, i'm an epileptic even b4 i enlist, i didn't declare becoz i thought of trying to earn more during the service. It's my fault that i didn't declare, one thing is becoz my first attack was in 2004 and the last in 2005, so total i had 2 attacks b4 enlisting. Anyway, i got kanned by the MOs for not declaring. No medications were given at that time, and, since it's dormant for 3 years, which is 2008, so, i didn't declare. Even before i enlist, i already know how fucked up the system is since my brother was once a regular.

  So, until recently, the attacks came back, i was given medication called tegratol at 200mg.And, my license are already revoked. So, according to Fatum, those "aspiring epileptics" if there's such a thing, pls do not have the attacks coz your license can be revoked if you can control. Also, my rank will be revert back to CPL soon, as told by my boss. Anyway, gotta book in tml at 9am, so, won't type much, and hm, i'll only see this forum next book out i guess. Thanks alot, this topic is interesting with Fatum. And, thanks alot to you guys. =)

  Seriously, i think this Fatum guy is a fucked up person, he's lucky not to be under me.

  From what I understand in your post you should never have had a licence to drive in the first place.

  If you had epilepsy before you started learning how to drive, you should have declared. If you learnt how to drive then got epilepsy you should have declared it immediately.

  Also, by not declaring you had epilepsy you caused a pile of admin work to be done by the SAF transferring you around now.

   

  Learn some responsibility

• eldaazure

  12 Apr 09, 00:57

  And seems like this Fatum guy is quite well-known ah.

• Fatum

  12 Apr 09, 01:04

  Originally posted by chanjyj:

  

  Aiyah, why must you always be so cynical? Usually I can smell the kengsters a mile away. I don't think this TS is one of them.

   

  Anyway on a serious note, IIRC about 10 years back the Singapore Medical Association actually did prepare guidelines for medical practitioners regarding certifying their patients fit to drive.

  Guidelines went something along this lines:

   

  1. No brain lesion (Can't remember if it was a structural brain lesion)
  2. Normal EEG
  3. Seizure free for 3 years and off all anti-epileptic drugs for min 1 year

  However, I think nothing came out of this an epileptics are still not allowed to drive.

   

  WAHAHAHAHA ... nail on ! ... and I was right, wasn't i ? ... 

  at least the chap was honest about not declaring an existing medical condition even before enlistment, he could have easily lied about getting it only during sispec ... a tiny credit to him perhaps .... 

  but of course, like I said ... if something were to have happened to him .... whose fault would it have really been ? the person who failed to declare anything ? ... or the "farked up system" who would naturally have failed to provide for and anticipate for a medical condition that's not even stated on his medical records in the first place ?!?!?! ... So who's farked up ? ... he's now feeling bitter towards the system he tried to smoke through in the first place ? ...

  He's lucky he got through BMT and most of sispec without major mishaps, with-holding of important medical information, he could have been killed .... I think such cases should be a chargeable offense ...

  and you're right, the kid should learn some responsibility ... time to wake up your idea corporal !

  come to think of it ... how did the "farked up medics (TS sic) dealt with his previous attacks ? ... he's still around and typing wasn't he ? ...

   

• eldaazure

  12 Apr 09, 01:05

  Ya, to chanjyj, I've been told that (must be responsible etc.) after my attacks come, and got kanned by alot of ppl. And, you know, most of the ppl at my age got driving license, and, ya, i'm one of those who wanted to have one, so i didn't delcare at all to any organisation, thinking back, if i drove and the attacks came, it would be disastrous...

  One thing i'm quite curious is how the TP knows of my condition and had my license revoked

  And...speaking of which, i'm quite embarrassed, it's like i'm causing alot of trouble instead of contributing. My intention were simple, just to earn more, but, i didn't know that the attacks will haunt me again and coz so much trouble..

  I've learnt from my mistakes and not to be selfish.

• Fatum

  12 Apr 09, 01:07

  Originally posted by chanjyj:

  From what I understand in your post you should never have had a licence to drive in the first place.

  If you had epilepsy before you started learning how to drive, you should have declared. If you learnt how to drive then got epilepsy you should have declared it immediately.

  Also, by not declaring you had epilepsy you caused a pile of admin work to be done by the SAF transferring you around now.

   

  Learn some responsibility

  ah ... isn't false declaration in your driving license application a criminal offense or something ? .....

   

• eldaazure

  12 Apr 09, 01:12

  From what my friend told me, the medics were not there, it's my friends who sent me to the medical centre and the MOs treated me there. 

• eldaazure

  12 Apr 09, 01:20

  And Fatum. you didn't nail on anything, right from the start, you are just thinking that everything was fake, if you'd just asked whether i got declare, i would have just said, there's nothing to hide, all my friends and superior knows that i never declare. You are just going one big round with your sacarsm trying to prove that you're right.

  And, yes, it's a criminal and chargeable offense, but i think they are just being lenient by giving me fines and revoke. All that i'm worried now is my condition, it's quite frequent.

• SexyChin

  12 Apr 09, 01:22

  Driving 
  
  In Singapore, under the current road Traffic Act, people with epilepsy are prohibited to drive any type of vehicles, regardless of whether they have been seizure free for 2 or more years. Such people must declare their epilepsy condition when applying for a driving license. Once declared, application will automatically be rejected. For those who have already obtained their driving licenses, it is their duty to inform the authorities should they develop epilepsy subsequently. 
  
  In 1997, the Singapore Medical Association prepared medical guidelines for medical practitioners in Singapore to assist them in advising and certifying their patients with regards to fitness to drive. 
  
  The guidelines recommended that people with epilepsy may be allowed to drive a private vehicle if a person has:
  
  

• no structural brain lesion
• normal EEG
• been seizure free for 3 years and off all anti-epileptic drugs for at least 1 year. 
  
  For those who have seizures only during sleep, the minimal seizure free period is 2 years whilst for those who wants to drive public vehicle, the minimal seizure free period is 10 years. However, the guidelines recommended have not been implemented as the Road Traffic Act has yet to be amended. 
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• from http://www.epilepsy.com.sg/factsheets.html