Ok guys,this is gonna be abit draggy and i'll try to keep things short.
I ORD like 2 years ago from a combat unit, i didn't declared 302 when i was in NS. After my ORD , i started undergoing HRT(hormone therapy treatment) from a reputable Endocrinologist after being referred to him from a (GID)Gender-Identity Disorder psychatrist .
Soon after,my body started some changes, and my test Lab result came back positively. late last year , i was reminded to attempt my 1st IPPT after my ORD.Due to some reason, i left the notice late and only visit my unit MO about a week before the window closes.Nonetheless. that MO assured me that he will temp downgrade me for that IPPT.
Weeks later, i received a SAF 264 charges for failing to attend the IPPT. thus , i went back to the MC, but saw another MO instead that said that i need to attend to the charges, probably do some RT , meanwhile try to get medical board review for me.absurd right !RT in my condition !
so in mid june,i went to CMPB to answer for the charges,the disciplinary officer on seeing my appearances said that he will waived off my charges for last work year ,and excuse me for this work year's ippt,in the meantime advised me to get a downgrade ASAP.
So i called my unit MC again and true enough,2 weeks later,i was scheduled for MMI medical board review, the final puzzle..or so i thought.
Was there on time but still have to wait like 2+hours for my turn. Upon seeing me,the 3 MOs including a COL i think mentioned that i will be PES E from that day on.I then asked him if i would still be called up for ICT and he said 'should not be', and official PES docementation will be posted to me but he also said only when i have completed the SRS(sexual reassignment surgery) will i be PES F..the whole thing lasted like 3 mins!!
Everything was quiet,nothing was posted to me. Till 2 weeks back, i received a text reminding me of my upcoming ICT in oct. I called my unit MC and they asked me to check with my unit NS clerk,while faxing them my downgraded PES status( E9L9 ).YES ! MMI did their part swifly. i called up my NS clerk then and asked whether ICTs still on for me. He confirmed with me yes indeed im on PES E now and willl update me of the final outcome,in the midst of informing the NS branch OC i guess.
dont say we here no help... na... here the relevant links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Singapore
http://www.yawningbread.org/guest_2002/guw-080.htm
http://www.yawningbread.org/guest_2002/guw-081.htm
http://www.trevvy.com/sgboyx/index.php?showtopic=7351&st=20
from:
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/122714?page=41
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Homosexuals and effeminate men are managed according to the dictates of a manpower directive issued by the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).
The most widely known and infamous classification is Category 302, a medical code given to personnel who are "homosexuals, transvestites, paedophiles, etc." Category 302 (popularly referred to as "cat 302") homosexuals are further classified into those "with effeminate behaviour" and those "without effeminate behaviour". This form of discrimination persists despite the fact that homosexuality was depathologised by the American Psychiatric Association in 1973, and homosexuality is not regarded as a psychiatric condition by the local medical profession. Moreover, the military's grouping of homosexuality and transvetism with paedophilia further reinforces the public misconception that it is abnormal.
Self-declared or discovered servicemen are referred to the Psychological Medicine Branch of the Headquarters of Medical Services for a thorough psychiatric assessment, which involves their parents being called in for an interview.
They are medically downgraded to a Public Employment Status of C (PES C), regardless of their level of fitness, and put through modified Basic Military Training. On graduation, they are deployed in a vocation which has no security risks, posted to non-sensitive units and given a security status which restricts their access to classified documents.
Formerly, Category 302 personnel were not allowed to stay overnight in-camp, nor were they required to perform night duties, but these restrictions have been relaxed. Effeminate homosexuals are also posted to a holding list upon completion of National Service and not required to do reservist training, whilst non-effeminate ones have to undergo it in non-sensitive units.
A less well known classification is Category 30-B, a medical code given to servicemen "with effeminate behaviour not amounting to sexual disorders". These individuals are further subdivided into "mildly effeminate", "effeminate" and "severely effeminate". Presumably, this group only includes effeminate heterosexual men and not homosexuals, so there have historically been very few servicemen slapped with this label; hence, its relative obscurity.
from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Singapore
Originally posted by MikoChan:Ok guys,this is gonna be abit draggy and i'll try to keep things short.
I ORD like 2 years ago from a combat unit, i didn't declared 302 when i was in NS. After my ORD , i started undergoing HRT(hormone therapy treatment) from a reputable Endocrinologist after being referred to him from a (GID)Gender-Identity Disorder psychatrist .
Soon after,my body started some changes, and my test Lab result came back positively. late last year , i was reminded to attempt my 1st IPPT after my ORD.Due to some reason, i left the notice late and only visit my unit MO about a week before the window closes.Nonetheless. that MO assured me that he will temp downgrade me for that IPPT.
Weeks later, i received a SAF 264 charges for failing to attend the IPPT. thus , i went back to the MC, but saw another MO instead that said that i need to attend to the charges, probably do some RT , meanwhile try to get medical board review for me.absurd right !RT in my condition !
so in mid june,i went to CMPB to answer for the charges,the disciplinary officer on seeing my appearances said that he will waived off my charges for last work year ,and excuse me for this work year's ippt,in the meantime advised me to get a downgrade ASAP.
So i called my unit MC again and true enough,2 weeks later,i was scheduled for MMI medical board review, the final puzzle..or so i thought.
Was there on time but still have to wait like 2+hours for my turn. Upon seeing me,the 3 MOs including a COL i think mentioned that i will be PES E from that day on.I then asked him if i would still be called up for ICT and he said 'should not be', and official PES docementation will be posted to me but he also said only when i have completed the SRS(sexual reassignment surgery) will i be PES F..the whole thing lasted like 3 mins!!
Everything was quiet,nothing was posted to me. Till 2 weeks back, i received a text reminding me of my upcoming ICT in oct. I called my unit MC and they asked me to check with my unit NS clerk,while faxing them my downgraded PES status( E9L9 ).YES ! MMI did their part swifly. i called up my NS clerk then and asked whether ICTs still on for me. He confirmed with me yes indeed im on PES E now and willl update me of the final outcome,in the midst of informing the NS branch OC i guess.
whats ur rank, vocation, and unit during NSF anyway?
part 2...
sorry, but whoa u guys were fast, thanks.
So i want to know what are the chances of me getting ROD from now, and getting posted to some 302 units..?
I understand that PES E gets ROD, not ORD . but me different being as a NSmen , not NSF.i can't imagine im in a NO 3 OR 4 for now...i'll look hilarious.
Any channel i can go to if really i kenna some admin duties?,cos i'll still have to trim my hair and dress down which will affect my outside life..
Originally posted by MikoChan:part 2...
sorry, but whoa u guys were fast, thanks.
So i want to know what are the chances of me getting ROD from now, and getting posted to some 302 units..?
I understand that PES E gets ROD, not ORD . but me different being as a NSmen , not NSF.i can't imagine im in a NO 3 OR 4 for now...i'll look hilarious.
Any channel i can go to if really i kenna some admin duties?,cos i'll still have to trim my hair and dress down which will affect my outside life..
as far as i know, there is no such thing as a "302 ns unit"...
wait for the outcome lor... defer the upcoming ict 1st lor...
can tie ur hair like an air stewardress' type of bun mah...
last resort, write in a formal letter of appeal to CMPB, NS unit chief clerk...and the relevant...etc. lor...
Curious..does ur name begin with a D?
Originally posted by Master -_-:Curious..does ur name begin with a D?
know this "guy" ?
thanks guys ,
I belonged to a combat airforce unit,with a CPL rank.yes, u can said i was 'normal' during that period.
if i can tie up a bun and don number 3, i won't mind !! just dont think it's possible la.
one more thing,the reason for my PES status is it confi or made known to some in my unit? wouldn't want my ex campmates to come haunt me down ..
to dear Master, No, i m not that miss D..lol..
I think you'll probably get PES F. Just have to keep waiting till it is finalized. Communication between S1 and Medical is not very good.