Reasons on SAF Regulars Quit ?
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Originally posted by eac:
that's how u see it... if u r so ON, office politics come into play. ur colleagues will feel threaten e.g. when peer appraisal, or promotion time. with these lead to... working environment, interpersonal skills.
the theory for study satisfaction is the same is job satisfaction... u get the idea..yah...but what's the causes for politics....
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
yah...but what's the causes for politics....
if u r the CO, u need to deal with...say...for example... "corporate image": battalion ATEC grade, downgrade/injuries numbers, logistics / medical centre keeping the ISO standards with annual audits...etc.
CO push OC, OC push PC, PC push PS, PS push sect comds, then push men... hence the internal problems... -
Originally posted by eac:
if u r the CO, u need to deal with...say...for example... "corporate image": battalion ATEC grade, downgrade/injuries numbers, logistics / medical centre keeping the ISO standards with annual audits...etc.
CO push OC, OC push PC, PC push PS, PS push sect comds, then push men... hence the internal problems...that is only assumption right?
any data to proof that?
how strong is the correlation ?
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
that is only assumption right?
any data to proof that?
how strong is the correlation ?
this is not an assumption...
meetings r oftenly held at division level/battalion level to discuss these issues...COs across all camps r fighting for places in higher HQs, e.g. division HQs, mindef HQ, and those staff appointments...etc for career advancements/prospects...
Reservist liao... no data available... -
Originally posted by eac:
this is not an assumption...
meetings r oftenly held at division level/battalion level to discuss these issues...COs across all camps r fighting for places in higher HQs, e.g. division HQ, mindef HQs...etc for career advancements/prospects...
Reservist liao... no data available...yah...that's why...they only resolve the problem at the 2nd or 3rd level causes...never went to the root causes...that's why the problem always boomerrang back at them sometime later...
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quit to get a new wife...
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Originally posted by GHoST_18:
quit to get a new wife...
hahaha
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
yah...that's why...they only resolve the problem at the 2nd or 3rd level causes...never went to the root causes...that's why the problem always boomerrang back at them sometime later...
COs promoted or change of appointments to division HQ at other camps.
new CO take over, as usual... change of style, new rules...etc. -
Originally posted by eac:
COs promoted or change of appointments to division HQ at other camps.
new CO take over, as usual... change of style, new rules...etc.if so...then they will need to be trained how to treat their customers better...(in the case, it will be his troops..)
if his troops are well taken care of , they will be movtivated to perform, and if they perform well..he will perform well also...
tis a win win strategy
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
if so...then they will need to be trained how to treat their customers better...(in the case, it will be his troops..)
if his troops are well taken care of , they will be movtivated to perform, and if they perform well..he will perform well also...
tis a win win strategy
this happen everywhere in other companies... the hierarchy...
seriously... if u go read those books, the main points r there... just apply in military context... its a typical case study..
CO wants the result from his immediate subordinates... the OCs... the theory of the chain of command...
so the cycle continues... CO push OCs, OCs push PCs, PCs push PSs, PSs push sect comds, then push men...
the OCs use their own styles to get results from the PCs, PCs use their own styles to get results from PSs and their men... the cycle continue...
OCs report to CO, CO reports to higher HQ... the division HQ. -
Originally posted by eac:
this happen everywhere in other companies... the hierarchy...
seriously... if u go read those books, the main points r there... just apply in military context... its a typical case study..
CO wants the result from his immediate subordinates... the OCs... the theory of the chain of command...
so the cycle continues... CO push OCs, OCs push PCs, PCs push PSs, PSs push sect comds, then push men...
the OCs use their own styles to get results from the PCs, PCs use their own styles to get results from PSs and their men... the cycle continue...
OCs report to CO, CO reports to higher HQ... the division HQ.we are digressing from the root causes analysis liao...
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
we are digressing from the root causes analysis liao...
it's interconnected...
it linked back all the way to the crux, "Why NS?"... all over again as almost all NSFs will just want to serve and f off.... ORD... that's one great sense of job satisfaction. -
Originally posted by Mospeada:
we are digressing from the root causes analysis liao...
yup, all that chain of command, the hierarchy.... what a typical case study of a company/organisation in a typical textbook... just rename relevants in the military context... -
With so many elite scholars in the SAF still cannot keep people from quiting? Either the elite scholars are not working or there are really serious problems in the SAF
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Originally posted by maggot:
With so many elite scholars in the SAF still cannot keep people from quiting?
Either the elite scholars are not working or there are really serious problems in the SAF
in places like SAF and SPF, you require a LOT of kar kia and a few leaders...unfortunately, in the SAF and SPF, we have truckloads of lea-duhs and not enough kar kia... and they pay the kar kia a pittance to do the majority of the work while they pay the lea-duhs unreasonably huge salaries to be parasites...
you think the kar kia won't leave in droves?
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Because the ads often prove to be the world's greatest liars.
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Originally posted by Mospeada:
This has been a rising trend that our SAF Regulars are leaving the service early.
What are the causes?
I am an ex-SAF regular serving from 1999~2005 with the JPSDS scheme. I refused to change to the Premium plan in 2000 when it was first introduced and so explains 6 years of service only.
Upon nearing the completion of my contract, I was offered an extension of 4 years with an immediate promotion which I refused. After that, I was promised an immediate promotion with an extension of 1 year which I also rejected.
The reason why I left at the 6th year was because I was totally disillusioned with the SAF top management of the servicemen. I foresee the trend of forcing servicemen to leave the force after their prime and serving relentlessly in the force. I do not want to end up as a 35 year old or 40 year old unemployed ex regular who has absolutely no experience except in the SAF. Even if I am employed I do not want to end up with a massive pay-cut just to secure a job in my matured ages. This fear was materialized with an even fortified evidence when a 50 year old warrant officer wrote to the press about being 1 of the many forced to leave pre-maturely; 5 years before his completion of contract. In the first place when SAF has no intention of keeping their side of the agreement, why should the servicemen be faithful to keep their side of the agreement too. However, I persisted and completed my contract as I have signed on the line.
I have left the force for slightly more than 3 years. I am now earning more than what I could’ve earned if I stayed on in the force. Gained recognition in the civilian sector and working in a EU MNC.
At the same time, I am thankful to the seniors and my teachers in the SAF who trained me up in the technical aspects (my vocation was in the technical dept) which served as a leverage for me to use it in the civilian sector that helped me secure my current job.
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Originally posted by MS:
I am an ex-SAF regular serving from 1999~2005 with the JPSDS scheme. I refused to change to the Premium plan in 2000 when it was first introduced and so explains 6 years of service only.
Upon nearing the completion of my contract, I was offered an extension of 4 years with an immediate promotion which I refused. After that, I was promised an immediate promotion with an extension of 1 year which I also rejected.
The reason why I left at the 6th year was because I was totally disillusioned with the SAF top management of the servicemen. I foresee the trend of forcing servicemen to leave the force after their prime and serving relentlessly in the force. I do not want to end up as a 35 year old or 40 year old unemployed ex regular who has absolutely no experience except in the SAF. Even if I am employed I do not want to end up with a massive pay-cut just to secure a job in my matured ages. This fear was materialized with an even fortified evidence when a 50 year old warrant officer wrote to the press about being 1 of the many forced to leave pre-maturely; 5 years before his completion of contract. In the first place when SAF has no intention of keeping their side of the agreement, why should the servicemen be faithful to keep their side of the agreement too. However, I persisted and completed my contract as I have signed on the line.
I have left the force for slightly more than 3 years. I am now earning more than what I could’ve earned if I stayed on in the force. Gained recognition in the civilian sector and working in a EU MNC.
At the same time, I am thankful to the seniors and my teachers in the SAF who trained me up in the technical aspects (my vocation was in the technical dept) which served as a leverage for me to use it in the civilian sector that helped me secure my current job.
Respect!
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happen to walk pass my s3 few days ago n he ask me a question out of the blue ' do u think i have a life ? ' hmm..
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I don't feel like working for an Employer who don't have a single customer to serve since SAF's establishment.
Actually, they have a single customer back in 1991, but the customer kinda left hurriedly the next day on SQ 117
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Originally posted by Ponders:
I don't feel like working for an Employer who don't have a single customer to serve since SAF's establishment.
Actually, they have a single customer back in 1991, but the customer kinda left hurriedly the next day on SQ 117
Actually, if you look at this from another angle, we should all be glad we don't have a "customer" to serve.. Else all of us will either be typing our messages on sgForums with one arm only, or sitting on wheelchair typing, or type with alot of typos coz we lost an eyeball.. Worst still, no one might bother checking sgForums coz we're all busy "serving our customer"..But job-wise, yea.. It really is boring not having a "customer"..
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Originally posted by MS:
I am an ex-SAF regular serving from 1999~2005 with the JPSDS scheme. I refused to change to the Premium plan in 2000 when it was first introduced and so explains 6 years of service only.
Upon nearing the completion of my contract, I was offered an extension of 4 years with an immediate promotion which I refused. After that, I was promised an immediate promotion with an extension of 1 year which I also rejected.
The reason why I left at the 6th year was because I was totally disillusioned with the SAF top management of the servicemen. I foresee the trend of forcing servicemen to leave the force after their prime and serving relentlessly in the force. I do not want to end up as a 35 year old or 40 year old unemployed ex regular who has absolutely no experience except in the SAF. Even if I am employed I do not want to end up with a massive pay-cut just to secure a job in my matured ages. This fear was materialized with an even fortified evidence when a 50 year old warrant officer wrote to the press about being 1 of the many forced to leave pre-maturely; 5 years before his completion of contract. In the first place when SAF has no intention of keeping their side of the agreement, why should the servicemen be faithful to keep their side of the agreement too. However, I persisted and completed my contract as I have signed on the line.
I have left the force for slightly more than 3 years. I am now earning more than what I could’ve earned if I stayed on in the force. Gained recognition in the civilian sector and working in a EU MNC.
At the same time, I am thankful to the seniors and my teachers in the SAF who trained me up in the technical aspects (my vocation was in the technical dept) which served as a leverage for me to use it in the civilian sector that helped me secure my current job.
It is a good decision for u.