Citizenship US-SG Dilemma: Serve NS to Keep SG Citizenship?
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i have a situation and i need help
i was born in the US, stayed there for 4 years and i came back when my grandma died. this year i will be turning 21 year so i will have to choose my citizenship, whether i want to give up my singapore citizenship or take up US citizenship.
also if youd like to know i just completed my polytechnic education
i am to enlist before my 21st birthday though and thus i will not be able to take up my US citizenship before i enlist.
therefore im wondering that if i were to leave singapore before my 21st birthday, will i get prosecuted even if i switch to US citizenship?
i appreciate any input in advance
tyvm
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knn.
den fer wat u stay here stardee.
waste our tax money to subsidise ur sch fees.
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not that i wanted to tbh
i appreciate it but i dont know man, you dont think about this kind of stuff when you're growing up
imagine if you were 12 years old thinking "omg im wasting tax payers money, i should leave, NOW"
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If you are between 13 and 16.5 years old:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. If you are remaining overseas for 2 years or longer, your parents/guardians will also need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.
If you are above 16.5 and have not enlisted for NS:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. Your parents/guardians will need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.Those who require exit permit of 2 years or longer will be required to furnish a bond. This bonding requirement is similar to the current arrangement where security in the form of Banker's Guarantee must be furnished. The amount of the security bond is S$75,000 or 50% of the combined gross annual income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher. The monetary bond requirement for male citizens who accompany their parents on overseas employment may be waived and they be bonded by deed with two sureties.
Why must MINDEF impose exit controls on NS-liable males?
Exit controls are necessary to ensure that NS-liable males who have gone overseas to study or reside at a young age return to fulfil their NS responsibilities.
Will young males aged 13 to 16.5 who fail to apply for an exit permit be sentenced to imprisonment?
The penalty for exit permit offences of young males aged 13 to 16.5 will be a fine of up to $2,000, with no custodial sentences. They will however be subjected to harsher penalties should they continue to breach of the Enlistment Act after age 16.5.
Males above 16.5 years who travel and remain overseas without applying for an exit permit would have committed an offence under the Enlistment Act. They will be liable upon conviction to a fine of up to $10,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or both. -
Originally posted by fwy87:
not that i wanted to tbh
i appreciate it but i dont know man, you dont think about this kind of stuff when you're growing up
imagine if you were 12 years old thinking "omg im wasting tax payers money, i should leave, NOW"
Invalid argument.You mean you can't think for yourself when you're in poly?
Why study and waste the taxpayers' money?
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dude i wasnt even thinking about this kind of things then, but either way i would hope someone would be constructive and help answer my questions
tyvm
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Originally posted by fwy87:
i have a situation and i need help
i was born in the US, stayed there for 4 years and i came back when my grandma died. this year i will be turning 21 year so i will have to choose my citizenship, whether i want to give up my singapore citizenship or take up US citizenship.
also if youd like to know i just completed my polytechnic education
i am to enlist before my 21st birthday though and thus i will not be able to take up my US citizenship before i enlist.
therefore im wondering that if i were to leave singapore before my 21st birthday, will i get prosecuted even if i switch to US citizenship?
i appreciate any input in advance
tyvm
Fuck off and take the US citizenship. Come back as a foreign talent and enjoy your fat expat pay. Think about it, it makes economic sense right?
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hey he's asking his question in good faith man.. somebody who knows the answer den reply him la, not like the other cock at the other thread who's not shy to be siam-ing NS at all..
though im sorry i do not have the answer to ur qn..
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
hey he's asking his question in good faith man.. somebody who knows the answer den reply him la, not like the other cock at the other thread who's not shy to be siam-ing NS at all..
though im sorry i do not have the answer to ur qn..
I'm not sure bout you, but my family pay taxes. What's shy and not shy? Siam NS is siam NS. -
well at least he's not blatantly saying its ok not to do ns, he's making a choice..
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
well at least he's not blatantly saying its ok not to do ns, he's making a choice..
So a masqueraded unwillingness to serve is fine?
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Originally posted by Detached:
So a masqueraded unwillingness to serve is fine? siao boh, hu the hell served willingly?
im gonna follow freedomfighter, pose a cheer..
training to be soldiers,
fight for our land,
once in our lives,
two yrs of our time,
have u ever wondered,
why must we serve,
becoz we have no choice,
and we lan lan got to serve got to serve.. lol..
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
siao boh, hu the hell served willingly?
im gonna follow freedomfighter, pose a cheer..
training to be soldiers,
fight for our land,
once in our lives,
two yrs of our time,
have u ever wondered,
why must we serve,
becoz we have no choice,
and we lan lan got to serve got to serve.. lol..
I didn't say I serve willingly. I was probably more bitter than TS, but I still went and tried to make it worth my time. It's those keng till siao, waste the taxpayers' money people I despise.
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boh bian.. we no money, no option to siam, so we look for the next best option.. to make the best of the time in there.. i made a couple of good frens in there..
but back to this thread, im just put off by the hostility towards his qn.. he's just making an enquiry, and not like saying "what for serve NS?" in ur face kinda thing u noe..
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
boh bian.. we no money, no option to siam, so we look for the next best option.. to make the best of the time in there.. i made a couple of good frens in there..
but back to this thread, im just put off by the hostility towards his qn.. he's just making an enquiry, and not like saying "what for serve NS?" in ur face kinda thing u noe..
My apologies, I didn't mean to upset you.Like hello kitty said "then what for waste our money to subsidize your school fees", to be fair... You take some, you give some.. that should be the way of life, isn't it?
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i believe you do have the liability to serve NS in view that you have lived there past your 11th birthday. i tink their take is you have enjoyed the benefits of being a s'porean.
the ball is not in your court. you can verify with mindef/sg immigration.
have you discuss this with your parents? as a late teenager, you should not have to go through this by yourself. you should seek adult or somebody with educated information about this.
good luck!
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Originally posted by fwy87:
i have a situation and i need help
i was born in the US, stayed there for 4 years and i came back when my grandma died. this year i will be turning 21 year so i will have to choose my citizenship, whether i want to give up my singapore citizenship or take up US citizenship.
also if youd like to know i just completed my polytechnic education
i am to enlist before my 21st birthday though and thus i will not be able to take up my US citizenship before i enlist.
therefore im wondering that if i were to leave singapore before my 21st birthday, will i get prosecuted even if i switch to US citizenship?
i appreciate any input in advance
tyvm
u should seek assistance US embassy.
there should be a pact made between US and SG. u r not the only case, in the past also got.
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Originally posted by Detached:
I'm not sure bout you, but my family pay taxes. What's shy and not shy? Siam NS is siam NS.
Siam NS for selfish reasons and Siam NS due to patriotic feelings is different. If you feel loyal to the US are you really in a position to defend SG when the need arises? -
thank you for understanding guys
what i was told by mindef was that after enlistment, and if i switch citizenship, i will still have to serve the full NS.
but then, isnt it weird that I will be serving NS as US citizen?
and oh no, im not saying NS is a waste of time, its a great time to meet people ^^ and a time for good/bad memories before you join the workforce.
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If you were born in the US you are already a US citizen.
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i came here when i was 4 and i think my parents took up singapore citizenship for me
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If you have a US birth certificate you are already a citizen of the United States.
One of my room mates has a teenage son that was born in the US but raised in Taiwan.
He has a US and a Taiwanese passport.
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but ive got a red singapore passport, birth cert and i/c
i dont think i have a US birth cert either
i dont have a US passport since i had to surrender it
but at the back of my birth cert it says that on my 21st birthday i have to give the oath of something to choose whether i want to choose singapore or US citizenship
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Even if you surrendered you US passport you can apply for another one.
If you were born in the US you still have a birth certificate in the city/county where you were born.
It's a matter of public record.
If you plan on staying in S'pore you should complete your military service. Failure to do so may come back to haunt you at a later date.
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hey dude...i cant give any useful advice. but i wud like to comment that if u have this oppurtunity and ur family situations permits...just go and dont look back, its not abt wasting whose money, its everyman for themselves in this society. our govt wun think in ur interest neither wud i expect a foreign govt welcome u with open arms. but logically speaking, it seems there are so much more oppurtunities in the states then here, if ur family is cool with it...go now and dont look back. i do envy a little, best of luck k