Declaration of Mental Condition at SAF MMI
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
I never said I wanted a PES F.
Please read carefully.
In fact I wish I could hide my condition.
Perhaps you can speak to MO.
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
I never said I wanted a PES F.
Please read carefully.
In fact I wish I could hide my condition.
this is just to let you know, you won't be getting PES F ... that's only for chaps who are about to die ....
it seems to me that you don't want to serve NS, but don't want it to be a stain on your record either, and spoil your chance of a goverment job the next time ? ...
let me put it bluntly for you, since this is the Singapore Armed Forces forum, not Aunt Agony ... if you can't endure and hold onto a sedantary 8-5 job in a office, what happens afterwards, when you go into the uni ? ... or when you come out into society to work ? ...
if your situation is genuine, then the least of your worries should be whether it'll be a stain on your "record" ! .... go farking get help first ! ....
if it's otherwise *- censored-* ........
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Originally posted by Fatum:
this is just to let you know, you won't be getting PES F ... that's only for chaps who are about to die ....
it seems to me that you don't want to serve NS, but don't want it to be a stain on your record either, and spoil your chance of a goverment job the next time ? ...
let me put it bluntly for you, since this is the Singapore Armed Forces forum, not Aunt Agony ... if you can't endure and hold onto a sedantary 8-5 job in a office, what happens afterwards, when you go into the uni ? ... or when you come out into society to work ? ...
if your situation is genuine, then the least of your worries should be whether it'll be a stain on your "record" ! .... go farking get help first ! ....
if it's otherwise *- censored-* ........
It's not that I don't want to serve. I think it's quite obvious that I want to serve --I want to be just like any other medically fit/unfit NSF who serves his 2 years in NS. If I didn't want to serve I would've declared everything at my first medical checkup, made a big hullabaloo about it and all. I did not --and still do not --wish to be 'marked' by the government for my condition, which is why I decided to just conceal it and serve.
I have no intention of escaping and wanting out; I just wanted to know the pros and cons of declaring and weigh the choices against each other. I feel unsafe in army --some sense of foreboding about the possibility of me doing something to hurt myself or others in the near future. I just felt that perhaps by declaring I might create some kind of administrative and emotional safety net for myself...
Please do not suggest that I will not be able to stand the pressures of uni / society, because I think that's really discouraging and demoralising and totally uncalled for especially when you're speaking to people like me. I appreciate forumers who try to convince me that perhaps I'm still of some use and that I'm not as lousy as I think I am, but people like you just fossilize my not-so-occassional belief that maybe I wasn't meant to be around at all. You're judging me based on this, and I think that's being rather unfair... don't you think so?
The thing that is holding me back from declaring is the constant fear of being permanently marked and hence trapped by some sort of glass ceiling (or no entry at all) should I decide to join the civil service. I still live with the hope of permanent recovery from my illness, and I don't want a momentary declaration to jeopardise my future if I do recover from this some day... It's like a judgment that stays with you forever...
I'm really hurt by your posts, and I hope you'll end your insinuations and stop responding if you don't have that many constructive comments... still, thanks for your input on this matter, thanks for taking time to read everything.
Am I right or wrong in saying all these? I don't know for sure. Perhaps other forumers would like to comment...? A bit lost now...
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if you think your condition is getting worse, you should declare. With your doctor help, you might not need to serve NS any more...
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Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
if you think your condition is getting worse, you should declare. With your doctor help, you might not need to serve NS any more...
But that would render me a so-called '2nd-class citizen', wouldn't it? All of you fulfil your NS obligations, and I think I shouldn't try to be special in this case...
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i strongly advise u to continue seek professional help with ur own p doc and the saf one. and continue the treatment and procedures.
u already informed the saf mo abt ur case. notes r already written in the medical docket. u r already on the track for medical atttention
u r a genuine medical case, ignore those who r not even medical trained/medical-informed to guide u, to them illness r all kengsters. only when something medical hits them, then will they see some light...they dun understand not all human/animals r born healthy and fit either.
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Originally posted by eac:
i strongly advise u to continue seek professional help with ur own p doc and the saf one. and continue the treatment and procedures.
u already informed the saf mo abt ur case. notes r already written in the medical docket. u r already on the track for medical atttention
u r a genuine medical case, ignore those who r not even medical trained/medical-informed to guide u, to them illness r all kengsters. only when something medical hits them, then will they see some light...they dun understand not all human/animals r born healthy and fit either.
Alright... thanks a lot for your advice. I'll see how my first appointment with MMI goes. It's okay if I don't want to tell them everything about my problems right? Can I tell MMI that I'm more comfortable with my pdoc?
Question: If my personal pdoc issues me 28-day long MCs in between medical appointments (if my follow-ups with him are once a month, and also to avoid review by the Medical Board, endorsement scares me already) that add up to a considerable number of days, will my period of service be extended due to my absenteeism? Or will the MCs still be valid?
Question: During the endorsement of my MC, the MO said that he'd refer me to MMI, but I haven't heard anything from them so far. Was/am I supposed to collect some sort of written referal or appointment card with MMI from the Medical Centre?
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
Question: During the endorsement of my MC, the MO said that he'd refer me to MMI, but I haven't heard anything from them so far. Was/am I supposed to collect some sort of written referal or appointment card with MMI from the Medical Centre?
The folks at MMI will either call you to inform you of your appointment, or drop an email to your immediate superior informing you of the appointment date/time. After receiving the email your immediate superior will then inform you.
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
Alright... thanks a lot for your advice. I'll see how my first appointment with MMI goes. It's okay if I don't want to tell them everything about my problems right? Can I tell MMI that I'm more comfortable with my pdoc?
Question: If my personal pdoc issues me 28-day long MCs in between medical appointments (if my follow-ups with him are once a month, and also to avoid review by the Medical Board, endorsement scares me already) that add up to a considerable number of days, will my period of service be extended due to my absenteeism? Or will the MCs still be valid?
Question: During the endorsement of my MC, the MO said that he'd refer me to MMI, but I haven't heard anything from them so far. Was/am I supposed to collect some sort of written referal or appointment card with MMI from the Medical Centre?
u can always do ur follow up wif the medical centre. as mentioned, ur 2years ns period will be not extended at all cost except for squating in db for a few days. if the mc is not endorsed by medical board, at most ur annual leave will be eaten up for compensation. -
Originally posted by eac:
u can always do ur follow up wif the medical centre. as mentioned, ur 2years ns period will be not extended at all cost except for squating in db for a few days. if the mc is not endorsed by medical board, at most ur annual leave will be eaten up for compensation.I see. I only have 14 days of leave... Even if I consume all of it in place of 14 days of medical leave, there still won't be enough to make up for the excess...
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If your MC > 14 days it must be endorsed via a medical board with no extension of service. don't worry.
A military clerk is not like a civilian 9 to 5 clerk job. Try bo tai bo ji being screwed even though it is not your fault. Try getting like warrant or officer shit job which is beyond your capacity...
Clerks live a life that never dunt understand.
Anyway, your COS depicted the course that u have taken before. It includes e PES E induction program so your employers will know tt u r a downgraded personnel.
P cases never get PES F. PES F only 4 schizophrenic people or cancer. PES E includes brain hemorrhage, foot fracture(sometimes) kidney failure, psychiatric cases...
GO to job dunt show your COS cos it is useless anyway. esp if u going private sector.
I am also a P case though I havent apply 4 job yet. Dunt worry n be happy. I too am not sure how to explain how I got PES E in the first place.
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Hide it if you can... if you really have a medical condition that cannot stay hidden, just ask your specialist to write to your MO...
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wrong. MMI will not drop an email to your superior. You will only be issued a time slip when u get there.
Go fuck your LTC. Seriously. going to PES F is much better than putting up with such crap people. I wasted 2 years of my life in PES E.
It sucks.
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I dunno why people here says that Pes F is only given to ppl with terminal illness and about-to-die type...
I personally know of a Pes F guy...mental case...not about to die anytime soon.
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rubbish
i noe 2 person who gt pes f DUE to mental problem but e irony is dat they are sane enuff to study in poly/completed poly
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Originally posted by Chelzea:
rubbish
i noe 2 person who gt pes f DUE to mental problem but e irony is dat they are sane enuff to study in poly/completed poly
They are just mentally unfit for NS. lol.... -
Originally posted by seekingguidance:
But that would render me a so-called '2nd-class citizen', wouldn't it? All of you fulfil your NS obligations, and I think I shouldn't try to be special in this case...
No one is /will be a 2nd class citizen. If you dont seek medical advise now, it will ruin your future. You have nothing to lose by declaring. Its free & SAF benefit anyways so why not?As for your worries on your future job prospect is nothing to worry abt if u cant settle your current issue now.
Not to throw ice water on you but, with current medical advancement, you will definately gain but not lose.
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This is out of curiousity. As for those NSF kena diagnozed with psychiatric problem, what the chances of them being called back for reservist after they completed full time NS ?
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
I think that's really discouraging 'cos I believe it's a problem of not being suited to the environment; I've survived places that somehow allow me to feel at ease and not so uptight about things. My pdoc has personally explained to my previous school admins and my family about my inability to adapt and survive in certain environments, and my ability to flourish in others where people might feel out of place due to how I'm wired. Furthermore I think civil service army-wise is still different from civil service in other government bodies.
I shan't argue with you further and I hope you won't reciprocate either. Do not suggest that I might go 'bonkers' or do a 'virgin tech in camp' --I think it's really offensive and hurtful and it's usually people like you who contribute to the trigger for such events to happen. Please don't pass judgment on me or others like myself before you know the whole story. I would pray for my illnesses to strike you but that would make me more inconsiderate than you are.
cookiecookie, this ends here, please.
I was being kind and giving you good advice. If you cannot take mental stress which is what clerks in army go through, it is a resistance to pressure. Please do not think that the civil service is a piece of cake. So what if it's not military and is civilian? Your problem is you crack when under stress and pressure, not when you see a green uniform.Oh you threatening to pray for your illness to strike me? Go ahead, I am not afraid, because my God protects me and not only that, He promised me that whoever who curses me will be cursed back the same thing by 7 times. Let's see if your mouth is more evil than my God is faithful.
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Originally posted by cookiecookie:
If you cannot even function as a clerk in NS, and clerks in NS do not have to do combat or handle weapons, i doubt you will have much of a future handling the stress of being in the civil service in a civilian capacity as well, so you don't have to worry about "jeapardising your possible future of employment". I think you should declare and get yourself treated in NUH's psychiatric department or if you prefer private psychiatric clinics, otherwise if you go bonkers, you may go to the store and take weapons and do a virgin tech in camp.
Being clerk in the SAF is not easy cause the paper work is difficuly esp if those in reservist unit, need to handle NS deferment n sometimes need to go home visit on reservist failed to give back SAF 100. PES E clerk is bettercause no need to go for range but not for PES C clerk.
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please be mindful of the tone of language use. please continue discussion in a peaceful manners.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
this is just to let you know, you won't be getting PES F ... that's only for chaps who are about to die ....
it seems to me that you don't want to serve NS, but don't want it to be a stain on your record either, and spoil your chance of a goverment job the next time ? ...
let me put it bluntly for you, since this is the Singapore Armed Forces forum, not Aunt Agony ... if you can't endure and hold onto a sedantary 8-5 job in a office, what happens afterwards, when you go into the uni ? ... or when you come out into society to work ? ...
if your situation is genuine, then the least of your worries should be whether it'll be a stain on your "record" ! .... go farking get help first ! ....
if it's otherwise *- censored-* ........
That is exactly what I thought.
The maiden post of the thread starter was centred on his "desires" and motives to avoid medical detection, to protect his own future. If your case is genuine, you should be seeking help, not trying to dodge detection.
Do you think SAF is the only place that can make you crack? Do you believe that just because it's your only full time military stint, the rest of your life after your ORD will not host any trigger points for your condition? Do you believe that this is entirely caused by SAF? I truly think you do based on your response to me when you said your "condition is controlled and you can function well in some conditions and not others". So you think only SAF lah? You think you're going to have a smooth office life in air con lah and so no trigger? You don't think you may crack from one million other areas from relationships, or work stress or tragedy?
You are trying to dodge detection and you made it so clear, I think that's what make some of us think you have ulterior motives for your own benefit during your NS time. If your condition is real then you need help and not to dodge detection, which is what you're consciously and taking a lot of effort to do.
Mental illness is the same as any other. if you don't treat cancer, it spreads. If you don't treat a minor fever, it becomes worse and very serious and possibly fatal.
I offered you advice to tell you to seek treatment and not try to dodge medical detection because of your untested and naive belief that SAF is your only trigger point. That's what you think aint it? That's why you said your 'condition' is only 'applicable' in certain conditions? Like now lah when you're serving NS?
There are millions of trigger points in life waiting for you. If your condition is genuine you should get it treated. if it's not, you should not chao keng.
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And please note that TS took a whole year of JC, which means contrary to his belief, his condition is not peculiar to army. TS, what's stopping you from thinking that besides JC and army, your condition will resurface when you're in a 3rd, 4th, 5th so on kind of environment?
If you cracked in sec school, and then in JC and then in army, I don't know why you believe you do not need treatment and that your condition is just "being not suited to the environment".
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Originally posted by will4:
Being clerk in the SAF is not easy cause the paper work is difficuly esp if those in reservist unit, need to handle NS deferment n sometimes need to go home visit on reservist failed to give back SAF 100. PES E clerk is bettercause no need to go for range but not for PES C clerk.
He is a PES E clerk.
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Originally posted by seekingguidance:
It's not that I don't want to serve. I think it's quite obvious that I want to serve --I want to be just like any other medically fit/unfit NSF who serves his 2 years in NS. If I didn't want to serve I would've declared everything at my first medical checkup, made a big hullabaloo about it and all. I did not --and still do not --wish to be 'marked' by the government for my condition, which is why I decided to just conceal it and serve.
But you already told us why you did not make a big hullabaloo. If you are so scared of declaring now that the problem is worsening, it just means it was the fear of a mark that stopped you. If you made a big brouhaha, then obviously it will not only be a mark, but a large mark.