Why vugularity in SAF
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you speak english , some hokkien peng or malay dun understand
speak chinese , indian malay cannot understand
speak malay , chinese cannot understand
you use vugularity , everyone understand immediately
Anyway , i miss those time channel 5 show the bootcamp
So fierce , i got the shock out of my life in front of the tv -
Actually vulgarity is everywhere. I work in acc firm also got. Hotel also got.
What's the big deal?
I don't like some things that I see or smell on a day-to-day basis anyway.
wake up your fkcuing idea
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agree.Originally posted by edwin3060:You think war is some civilised chess game ah? If you can't tolerate some vulgarities, how are you gonna stand it when arty starts falling? As you have shown, the use of vulgarities causes mental stress, which is an essential part of any military training.
probably why MINDEF didn't ban vulgarities for thus far. -
by right, its a chargeable offence to speak vulgarities...but who cares...
There is a law...but yet there's also an "accepted norm" which everyone just accepts as normal....I've even seen 1-star general curse and swear..more than once... who cares? -
ferguson u girl ar? kana vulgarity want to cry alrdy. ever got ur helmet[wearing hor] pulled and pushed into the sand at the low rope station when u cant touch the bar with "2 leg knots" in sbo?
and then pulled up and getting said, "u &#^*^ climb like a girl! u wanna climb the low rope u &&#^ing climb it like a specialist u understand me specialist to be! *#*#% off and do it again you weak *#%%!" im from the 39th BSLC Charlie company. those who know this batch should know the siong warrants in it.
the vulgarities emphasize the importance of the msg la. when i shout "do it!" the recruits like haha anything la try lor. but when i shout " *#%%ING DO IT!" they seriously get into war mode and do it. thats the difference!
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I feel vulgarityis OK in the army as war is babaric and uncivilised. So have to train to be able to mentally tough enough to take abuses. In times of war, the enemy will also not treat you much as a human, they will try to break you in whatever ways they can think of. Vulgarities in SAF is already quite tame compared to the abuses and hashness in war. Come and go also those few words and hand signs.
Vulgarities can't hurt you as long as you don't take it at heart. One ear in, other ear out. If you want to threat vulgarities and swearing as a sin, it is the person doing it that commits the sin, not you, just pity that fella. Hahaha
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Well, another reason why Singaporean guys are generally uncouth and boorish.
War? Oh please, you're not fifth century barbarians. Good luck finding true ladies as wives. Don't blame the girls when all you can get are unrefined 'ah lians'.
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Whoa lao...even the American army shout vulgarities so what's wrong with it. Hello this is the army, not some sissy or etiquette school.
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yea vulgarities just add favour to your sentence. brings attention to the next word.
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Originally posted by Ferguson:
they cannot speak proper singlish? why must use CCB, LJ fuck etc…
Well, its the same in the U.S army and marine Corp where the word "FUCK" is indoctrinated as a word used in almost all aspect of their lives in the military.
Anyway, i draw a line between scolding (non-parents specific) vulgarities and (parents specific) vulgarities.
IF the sgt scolds, "you all CCB, why so slow?" (this is ok)
IF the sgt scolds, "you all ah, damn YOUR mother's CCB, why so slow?" (then this is war ler. I will probably kill the sgt 1st cz he insulted my mother).
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vulgarities work when u want absolute discipline.
ur SGT cannot treat u like a bunch of gals like wif a soft tone like, "Hi everyone, i want u to line up in a row."
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Actually i think its suitable lah... like scold cb or fcuk.... everyone understand the meaning lah... you wan they slowly talk.. they are suppose to 'train' us..
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The SAF Seven Core Values Are:
Loyalty to Country - When you use vulgar languages, what kind of image are you projecting to the public about SAF? What about the foreigners? By ruining SAF's image through the use of uncivilised languages and humiliating your own people by showing such crude behaviours, are you showing loyalty to your country?
Leadership - How do you lead other people when you can't even behave like you are civilised? In the first place if you can't even project a clean and proper image of yourself, how do you command respect from others?
Discipline - Again, a lack of display of civilised behaviour reflects a lack of discipline within. You can't even bother to be nice and show respect to your man, where's the discipline in that?
Professionalism - Obviously, a person who can't even use proper languages can't be very much professional.
Fighting Spirit - Nothing to say.
Ethics - Obvious. If you think there's nothing wrong ethically with using crude languages, humiliating your men, and verbally bullying them, fine by me.
Care for Soldiers - Having said so much, I don't think an explanation is needed here.
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LOL at the above post...
Please remember that it's the SAF core values...so please take it into the context of a organisation filled with fighting men and women.
Loyalty to Country-Yah, when i fuck one of ours, it IS loyalty to country. Cus if i don't fuck him and he doesn't learn, that fella will one day be a liability to myself, my unit and possibly my country. If you can't tahan a few swear words, God help you IF you're captured and tortured. We'll see how loyal you become then.
Leadership-You mentioned a civilised, clean and proper image. Forgive me but i've yet to see my commanders wearing torn and tattered uniforms, unshaved and shoving food into their mouths with their hands in the canteen. Commanders lead by example, by way of inspiring their men to run faster, jump higher and fight harder. If you can't, never mind. Can train. It's those that can't be bothered, that deserves a good phucking.
Discipline-You don't follow the rules, you get a warning. The next time you don't follow, you get a screwing. Nuff said.
Professionalism-It's in the commander's professional interests to train up good soldiers. But if the soldier is not professional enough to give a phuck, he WILL get phucked. Same as how your teachers teach you in school. They teach, but you don't learn, it's YOU who fail the exams.
Fighting Spirit-I always preferred hearing "NBCB, don't let the phuckers chabut!" as opposed to something like "tally ho men, let's not let them run away now shall we? pip pip!"
Ethics-If you have no qualms with your friends using vulgarities on a daily basis but your eyes start twitching when a superior screws you, you not only have ethical double standards but a disdain of authority figures in general as well. Seek professional help.
Care for Soldiers-This means not going soft on you. Oh hell no.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
LOL at the above post...
Please remember that it's the SAF core values...so please take it into the context of a organisation filled with fighting men and women.
....Care for Soldiers-This means not going soft on you. Oh hell no.
+1
Seriously, I don't get annoyyoumust's pre-occupation with swearing. There have always been swear words and they will always be swear words. They exist because, sometimes, there is a need to emphasise what you are saying with some shock value.
Thus, swear words are a useful part of normal discourse in the correct situations. The old flash video about the usefulness of the word 'fuck' is pretty right when you think about it :)
Besides, the best military leaders and the best military organisations have generally been criticised for being vulgar. Patton for one is famous for providing whorehouses for his men, while Former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt had this to say about the US Marines:
“The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!”
War is a primal business. Warriors are primal people. Get used to it!
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Originally posted by edwin3060:
War is a primal business. Warriors are primal people. Get used to it!
Well then, that shall spell the extinction of such primal warriors from modern society.
Clinging on to antiquated notions is the surest way to maladaptation and subsequent removal from the gene pool. Adapt or die. Don't blame anybody if human females stay the hell clear outta your neanderthal mouths.
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Originally posted by rooki:
Well then, that shall spell the extinction of such primal warriors from modern society.
Clinging on to antiquated notions is the surest way to maladaptation and subsequent removal from the gene pool. Adapt or die. Don't blame anybody if human females stay the hell clear outta your neanderthal mouths.
The aggressor would surely send an envoy to congrads us for attaining the next plateau of civilisation and have the most gracious army that had ever appear on the face of planet earth before the war. Behind their backs, they would be congratulating themselves that they have found a quick and easy way to break our boys without the need to fire a single shot. Just throw whatever valgurity at us and all our ranks would break into disarray, unable to comprehend that there are such raw insults exists, throw into total mental chaos and all jumping down HDB flats to die.
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Originally posted by corebooster:
den when wan tekan ppl.
i seek your understanding that i have good intentions in asking you to do 20 push ups, as this will strengthen your muscles and ensure that you will not engage in this mistake anymore?
den during mari tika, if no1 sing.
Gentlemen, this is your national song, we must sing with pride in dignity, as citizens of singapore, we are 1 people, 1 nation, 1 singapore, Lets sing our athem with gusto?
den no1 do barrack cleaning,
Gentlemen, in order to prevent you all from getting sick, a condusive living environment is essential, therefore you all must contribute to the well-being of your barrack, remove all dusts spider webs, make this place a better place to live in?So you are suggesting that without vulgarity, none of the above activities can be accomplished?
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It's a matter of time and place.
In civilised society, yes. we speak nicely to each other.
War, no. War is not a civilised affair. There are limits set by the Geneva convention, but beyond that, anything and everything goes.
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I'm not against vulgarities, but just feel that the SAF is full of contradiction. Their seven core values may look very idealistic and honorable, but their allowance of the use of vulgarities goes against their very so-called 'values'.
If vulgarities are allowed, why not masturbation? Both are just as 'uncouth'
Vulgarities does not tarnishes the image of the SAF, but holding hands with our girlfriends in uniform does.
Our soldiers must be tough enough to at least handle vulgarities. But they can get 'out-of-training' status because of what? Insomia? Phobia of guns?
What kind of logic is that?
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Just think of vulgarities in the SAF as speaking singlish to your friends & relatives.
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Originally posted by annoy-you-must:
I'm not against vulgarities, but just feel that the SAF is full of contradiction. Their seven core values may look very idealistic and honorable, but their allowance of the use of vulgarities goes against their very so-called 'values'.
If vulgarities are allowed, why not masturbation? Both are just as 'uncouth'
Vulgarities does not tarnishes the image of the SAF, but holding hands with our girlfriends in uniform does.
Our soldiers must be tough enough to at least handle vulgarities. But they can get 'out-of-training' status because of what? Insomia? Phobia of guns?
What kind of logic is that?
Dude... the world is full of contradictions, get used to it! Take a look at the other militaries and its the same everywhere. Like it or not it is the best way to do things! The high ideals are to inspire, and the vulgarities are to enforce. Ultimately, things get done.
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Originally posted by annoy-you-must:
Vulgarities does not tarnishes the image of the SAF, but holding hands with our girlfriends in uniform does.
Is it? I didn't really know...i hold my girlfriend's hand all the time, in and out of uniform...and i have the perfect retort to anybody who tells me i can't.
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Originally posted by rooki:
Well then, that shall spell the extinction of such primal warriors from modern society.
Clinging on to antiquated notions is the surest way to maladaptation and subsequent removal from the gene pool. Adapt or die. Don't blame anybody if human females stay the hell clear outta your neanderthal mouths.
If you wanna shoot your mouth off about natural selection and genes, i suggest you read up more first before making us laugh again.