Sign On: Worth It? Wise? Outside No Good Job Prospect? How?
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Most if not all combat units have mono intake not just infantry.Originally posted by Resentment:and yeah may i know , if you kenna mono intake , heard that most likely you will kenna infantry , is it true? i am pes B , but i think there is no difference between pes A and pes B hence is it possible i will kenna mono intake for airforce or navy? and with my private diploma will i be able to kenna police force also? i dont mind signing on for police btw. if it is good. because i dont think i got a chance to kenna tekong as a private diploma holder.
The difference between PES A and B is almost none existance these days except it seems.
You can be enlisted into SAF, SPF or SCDF and in SAF whether its army, navy or air force all depends on luck but as mentioned chances of army is the highest and the rest are pretty low especially air force and navy. -
just now i saw my ex-classmate from sec skl's frenster...from his photos one can tell that he kana SPF for NS how fortunate.....
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yes i plan to sign onOriginally posted by Resentment:lol infantry , he sure say sign on army rather than airforce or navy , and everytime i ask him he wan to sign on a not he dun wan answer my qns. btw navy and airforce got what kind of vocation? service side? -
urrrrr bbbbaaaccckkkk!!!!!!!!stage 3 liao ar.... -
yes office politics do exist in SAF. in fact it's worst than outside cos SAF people can play rank with u.Originally posted by Resentment:is it very politics inside? heard that its very "hei an" inside one lol. quite scary , but its also a job. -
please read the portion highlighed in red.Originally posted by kengkia:do u mean that for the whole MPC body only consist of WOSE personnel only? then how do u explain abt the camp commandant who is a LTC...? Originally posted by Gordonator:MP can only sign on as spec. there're no MP officers. the officers are from infantry/guards/commando. -
pte diploma holders can get into tekong?? so whats the chance of a pte diploma holder get into spf? is it very low? lower than kenna airforce or navy?
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so the officers are attached one ar.....then how come MPC dun have their own officers one....so weird...Originally posted by Gordonator:[/color]
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b4 enlistment > excited abt army, want to sign on
after enlisted > Sian abt army, Die also dun wan sign on
thats me... -
not sure. but that guy went on to be officer.got into ocs but think he didnt sign on. but his pte dip is 3yrs pte dip.Originally posted by Resentment:pte diploma holders can get into tekong?? so whats the chance of a pte diploma holder get into spf? is it very low? lower than kenna airforce or navy? -
sell your soul to the saf.
to me, the most worth it scheme for people that really need money is the poly 5 years scheme in which 2 years of NS will be included.
And if you're officer, lagi better, kena 8-5 even better, can make use of SAF get private degree!
but wun be so heng one.
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to create jobs for infantry/guards/cammando officer perhaps?Originally posted by kengkia:so the officers are attached one ar.....then how come MPC dun have their own officers one....so weird...
when i was around, the OC of SOP is a SOF.
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u say u want to sign on as a MP. Do you know wad MP does n their typical work routine? If u know n u like their work then go ahead.
But seriously why are u interested in becoming a MP? Is it just because yr bro say is good u want to be one? Find out 1st how is being a MP like . And pls dont sign on just because u heard this or heard that. -
Hi TS,
I would advise you not to sign on. After ORD, get a job in the outside world, gain experience, save up and then proceed for your further studies. A better way. Try to see far ahead. Where are you going for your sports management studies? UK? -
Remember to sign within the box
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If what you want are studies and a better future..Originally posted by Resentment:hi guys , i have been thinking about signing as a millitary police , but is it wise to sign on? my bro now in army said that actually sign on is not a bad thing , but he himself dont wanna sign on , but he said its quite good because once you sign on they give you a amount of money and after your 5 years contract they will pay you your 2 years nsf salary , that means you will get lots of money also. But then , i have been aspiring to go overseas to study for my degree in sports management. And wants to work as a sports manager. I am really in a dilemma , or should i go in army first then experience the army life first before i decide to sign on? because maybe i might not like army life. because if my bro says if i like army life can consider to sign on. Some of his camp mates have already told their upper rank people that they wanna sign on as a military police. And after their AITEC stage 2 next year in taiwan , they will be going for the interview already. So guys , can tell me the advantage and disadvantage of signing on? I am really in a dilemma. because i spent quite a lot of money on my studies , and i still wanna study and i hope i can do so while doing my bond for the sign on 5 yrs. if i sign on.
Signing on isn't a wise choice when you have yet to experience Army Life.
If you go into NS. Ask the warrant officers for reasons why they sign on..
Only 3 reasons:
1) Really poor till don't have a bed and can't support themselves; Financially Real Poor
2) Low Edcuation : No Future Outside thus they sign on as a long-term specialist.
3) They are in Alice Wonderland when they learn the benefits of signing on. (This is in pleasant tone; to put it worse..It starts with C_ _ _ T E D back then)
Other reasons which they have said are related to the above 3 reasons.
If you ask Officers who sign on.
Perhaps it's another version of reasons:
1) To get Captain Rank so during Re-service, Not A Lot of People can order you around since lots of people ORD with 2 Bar only.
2) To get the bonus and to save up for Education (But once you sign on, unless you're a officer, specialist cannot study until they reach the 7th year, even when you completed, no increment in pay; for OCS grad, I'm not so can't comment on that)
3) To get recognition which they can't get outside.
Think about it: Only when you're in Uniform with the Rank; than you command the respect. But when you take off that uniform, how many people will respect you outside (for those who don't know your status in NS)?
Respect is earned. But going through OCS is a faster way of earning it in military terms.. (There's always this "Pride" being practiced inside there..But when you ask those newly graduated OCS.. ask them how many Extras they have taken inside..)
But in the working society..it's another form of respect mutual respect..not only to superiors...
For your case:
If you're considering a Long Term BRIGHT FUTURE..
You have better get a Degree before you enlist - A cut above the rest..
Faster Promotion, Bigger Pay-Checks, More Responsibilities and Lots of Freedom.
Here's how: (Steps
- Short Cut
1- Get a N/O Level
2- Go Study Private School get Dip within 1 yr
3- Study harder get Degree (Private again; possible within 1-2yrs)
By then you enlist with same age but different education level: thus the scholarship will be yours by than (Higher chance of getting it)
[This short cut methu]od is what I would advise only if you're still at that certain age and you really need to go through lots of stuffs before you make that decision to sign on the line.[/u]
Disclaimer: Whatever I said as per above is to the best of my knowledge as a Private who POP not long ago. So do not take my words for real..It's just an comment I would give to anybody when being asked upon even if they are my friends.
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Eh, I thought you said you want to sign on with the police?
Whatever. You'll have to meet the criteria. Generally, the SAF won't accept all job applicants at all, contrary to as some think. With a Provost career, the emphasis won't be on technical skills (as, say, for engineering or logistics vocations) or even combat knowledge. Beyond the basic educational qualifications, I reckon your pre-enlistment MAPAS scores, the security check into your background, your interviews with them, perhaps even your BMT results (if they can't assess your personality profile) will all be factors before approval.
As for saving money to study overseas, it's a noble thought & we're all young once. But take note that when you're signing on, it's a JOB as well as a CAREER move -- & not a source for some sort of savings plan, per se. You'll be committing yourself 24/7, & your subsequent life as well as the civilian world may not turn out as envisioned. Worse-case scenarios: your MP service becomes completely irrelevant in future job-matching (unless you work in the security line); you end up with a freshly minted degree but must compete for entry-level jobs with rivals 5 years younger (cuz they didn't serve the extended time); or you find yourself increasingly left behind in an ever-advancing KBE economy (unable to meet the specific skills stated in the job ads).
Don't end up disillusioned at the lack of prospects, simply cuz you've failed to keep your options open. Or, conclusively stick it out with the Police or SAFGU, whatever your chosen profession, once you've made up your mind. The wishy-washy mindset should end with the teenage years. -
hmm there are also courses there for sports management but , i most likely will be going to deakin university which is in australia.Originally posted by oldsoldier:Hi TS,
I would advise you not to sign on. After ORD, get a job in the outside world, gain experience, save up and then proceed for your further studies. A better way. Try to see far ahead. Where are you going for your sports management studies? UK? -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
okie , thanks a lot for the feedback , i think i will get enlist first and then experience the life inside first before i make a decision. and good luck for the rest of your ns life! =)
If what you want are studies and a better future..
Signing on isn't a wise choice when you have yet to experience Army Life.
If you go into NS. Ask the warrant officers for reasons why they sign on..
Only 3 reasons:
1) Really poor till don't have a bed and can't support themselves; Financially Real Poor
2) Low Edcuation : No Future Outside thus they sign on as a long-term specialist.
3) They are in Alice Wonderland when they learn the benefits of signing on. (This is in pleasant tone; to put it worse..It starts with C_ _ _ T E D back then)
Other reasons which they have said are related to the above 3 reasons.
If you ask Officers who sign on.
Perhaps it's another version of reasons:
1) To get Captain Rank so during Re-service, Not A Lot of People can order you around since lots of people ORD with 2 Bar only.
2) To get the bonus and to save up for Education (But once you sign on, unless you're a officer, specialist cannot study until they reach the 7th year, even when you completed, no increment in pay; for OCS grad, I'm not so can't comment on that)
3) To get recognition which they can't get outside.
Think about it: Only when you're in Uniform with the Rank; than you command the respect. But when you take off that uniform, how many people will respect you outside (for those who don't know your status in NS)?
Respect is earned. But going through OCS is a faster way of earning it in military terms.. (There's always this "Pride" being practiced inside there..But when you ask those newly graduated OCS.. ask them how many Extras they have taken inside..)
But in the working society..it's another form of respect mutual respect..not only to superiors...
For your case:
If you're considering a Long Term BRIGHT FUTURE..
You have better get a Degree before you enlist - A cut above the rest..
Faster Promotion, Bigger Pay-Checks, More Responsibilities and Lots of Freedom.
Here's how: (Steps - Short Cut
1- Get a N/O Level
2- Go Study Private School get Dip within 1 yr
3- Study harder get Degree (Private again; possible within 1-2yrs)
By then you enlist with same age but different education level: thus the scholarship will be yours by than (Higher chance of getting it)
[This short cut methu]od is what I would advise only if you're still at that certain age and you really need to go through lots of stuffs before you make that decision to sign on the line.[/u]
[b]Disclaimer: Whatever I said as per above is to the best of my knowledge as a Private who POP not long ago. So do not take my words for real..It's just an comment I would give to anybody when being asked upon even if they are my friends.
Go ask more people for feedback and make your own decisions.[/b] -
hmm actually for both i can consider , but i think now i should really get enlist first then say bah. thanks for the feedback here , thanks a lot =)Originally posted by blitzonic:Eh, I thought you said you want to sign on with the police?
Whatever. You'll have to meet the criteria. Generally, the SAF won't accept all job applicants at all, contrary to as some think. With a Provost career, the emphasis won't be on technical skills (as, say, for engineering or logistics vocations) or even combat knowledge. Beyond the basic educational qualifications, I reckon your pre-enlistment MAPAS scores, the security check into your background, your interviews with them, perhaps even your BMT results (if they can't assess your personality profile) will all be factors before approval.
As for saving money to study overseas, it's a noble thought & we're all young once. But take note that when you're signing on, it's a JOB as well as a CAREER move -- & not a source for some sort of savings plan, per se. You'll be committing yourself 24/7, & your subsequent life as well as the civilian world may not turn out as envisioned. Worse-case scenarios: your MP service becomes completely irrelevant in future job-matching (unless you work in the security line); you end up with a freshly minted degree but must compete for entry-level jobs with rivals 5 years younger (cuz they didn't serve the extended time); or you find yourself increasingly left behind in an ever-advancing KBE economy (unable to meet the specific skills stated in the job ads).
Don't end up disillusioned at the lack of prospects, simply cuz you've failed to keep your options open. Or, conclusively stick it out with the Police or SAFGU, whatever your chosen profession, once you've made up your mind. The wishy-washy mindset should end with the teenage years. -
Oh ya,Originally posted by Resentment:okie , thanks a lot for the feedback , i think i will get enlist first and then experience the life inside first before i make a decision. and good luck for the rest of your ns life! =)
btw, there's little chance that you might even have a shot at MP
COZ the SAF selects people and it's not up to us to decide.
Afterall, there's this family, personal passed record.
As long as anybody in your family/relative committed a crime, dashed are your hopes of becoming a MP.
The same goes to your OCS (this area I'm not so sure as I didn't go for the talk last time)
Based on what I know for OCS - they will screen you accordingly to different levels of security clearance before you are being posted to the unit they deem fit for you.
Just train up.
To sum up - It's not totally up to you to choose your vocation..Only when you expressed interest to sign on, than MAYBE (only) your % of getting what you want might increase, but don't pin too much hope either.
Good Luck -
i think rather than being a MP, being a spec/officer in infantry is quite good.
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people say signing on for infantry is equal to hell , only you would say its quite good.Originally posted by inf4ntry:i think rather than being a MP, being a spec/officer in infantry is quite good. -
erm , my family dosent have a criminal record , for ocs , i doubt i have a chance to get selected. so i think i will experience my army life first.Originally posted by the_fallen:Oh ya,
btw, there's little chance that you might even have a shot at MP
COZ the SAF selects people and it's not up to us to decide.
Afterall, there's this family, personal passed record.
As long as anybody in your family/relative committed a crime, dashed are your hopes of becoming a MP.
The same goes to your OCS (this area I'm not so sure as I didn't go for the talk last time)
Based on what I know for OCS - they will screen you accordingly to different levels of security clearance before you are being posted to the unit they deem fit for you.
Just train up.
To sum up - It's not totally up to you to choose your vocation..Only when you expressed interest to sign on, than MAYBE (only) your % of getting what you want might increase, but don't pin too much hope either.
Good Luck -
to infantry....
