Singaporean with PR and US citizenship
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How can a person with Singapore PR and US citizenship visit singapore without serving National Service? He is currently a regular of the US Army. He has not serve Singapore NS. Been in the US for couple of several years now.
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Trick question?Originally posted by takopachiboy:How can a person with Singapore PR and US citizenship visit singapore without serving National Service? He is currently a regular of the US Army. He has not serve Singapore NS. Been in the US for couple of several years now.
Anybody have any comments?
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he is Singapore permanent resident ... not a singapore citizen... he can opt not to do national service...
If he hold Singapore citizenship and US citizenship, think he has to give up one of them at the age of 21... -
Is he born in Singapore of foreign parents? If so, then he has no problem.Originally posted by takopachiboy:How can a person with Singapore PR and US citizenship visit singapore without serving National Service? He is currently a regular of the US Army. He has not serve Singapore NS. Been in the US for couple of several years now.
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If 1st gen PR, usually no need .
If 2nd gen PR (AKA 1st gen PR's son), it is a must, unless u ship him out of sg and vowed never to return (because if he returns mostly go DB AKA jail regardless he is aware or unaware of the situation).
This also applies to family who shifted here with their children which means if his son is let say 16, he is automatically being selected for NS regardless he wants or dun wants to do because his dad is consider as the 1st gen PR, he automatically is the 2nd gen. And the biggest twist of all: Even the father gave up his PR, his son lan lan still hab to do NS (kind of a black and white thing).
So what do these foreign talents do?
They apply for work permits and get their children student pass so they totally avoid the PR-NS trap. -
Anyway, if TS is a serving US Army personnel and a US citizen, you think ICA and MINDEF want to risk a diplomatic incident to arrest him over this?
Reality speaks louder than the law. In any case, US Army personnel in Singapore is under American legal jurisdiction under the Status of Forces Agreement in the MOU signed by us and America. -
It's a sticky situation because let's say if an American family comes here, and the father applies for PR, his son has to serve NS, even though he is not a citizen of Singapore. Therefore, by serving NS, he is also breaking the laws of his home country because he is serving a foreign military(SAF).Originally posted by octega:If 1st gen PR, usually no need .
If 2nd gen PR (AKA 1st gen PR's son), it is a must, unless u ship him out of sg and vowed never to return (because if he returns mostly go DB AKA jail regardless he is aware or unaware of the situation).
This also applies to family who shifted here with their children which means if his son is let say 16, he is automatically being selected for NS regardless he wants or dun wants to do because his dad is consider as the 1st gen PR, he automatically is the 2nd gen. And the biggest twist of all: Even the father gave up his PR, his son lan lan still hab to do NS (kind of a black and white thing).
So what do these foreign talents do?
They apply for work permits and get their children student pass so they totally avoid the PR-NS trap.
I think we need to get rid of this legal conundrum. It has and will trap people unwittingly. -
my dad is a Singaporean (use to be Malaysia Citizenship).
and i'm holding a PR, and i'm born in Malaysia. first son also. this mean i die die have to serve NS right?
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Yes.Originally posted by toyota-corolla:my dad is a Singaporean (use to be Malaysia Citizenship).
and i'm holding a PR, and i'm born in Malaysia. first son also. this mean i die die have to serve NS right? 
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Was a NS clerk, I handled once a special case where the sgporean who served his NS and went for a few ICTs already but change his citizenship to American but applied for PR.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's a sticky situation because let's say if an American family comes here, and the father applies for PR, his son has to serve NS, even though he is not a citizen of Singapore. Therefore, by serving NS, he is also breaking the laws of his home country because he is serving a foreign military(SAF).
I think we need to get rid of this legal conundrum. It has and will trap people unwittingly.
Apprantly, he is still called up for ICT even though he is considered as 1st gen PR, so what he did he was he got the American Embassy here to write a super powerful letter and he is relinquish of his NS duties because technically he is no longer a Singaporean. -
this is part of being a globalize cities, i think at the end of the day the individual must decide which citizen he wants to be than that sealed the decision if he needs to serve NS.
As for the case of a letter it has to come from the states department that it confirm that this individual currently is a US citizen.
Ever try to get someone calling CMPB from US embassy to ask for a reservist deferment? its interesting. -
Well, then it should be simpler given TS's case that he is an American citizen whose father has terminated Singapore citizenship, and he is serving the US Army and will be rotating to Iraq on troop deployment soon.Originally posted by octega:Was a NS clerk, I handled once a special case where the sgporean who served his NS and went for a few ICTs already but change his citizenship to American but applied for PR.
Apprantly, he is still called up for ICT even though he is considered as 1st gen PR, so what he did he was he got the American Embassy here to write a super powerful letter and he is relinquish of his NS duties because technically he is no longer a Singaporean. -
yeah uncle sam is running short of jarhead.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, then it should be simpler given TS's case that he is an American citizen whose father has terminated Singapore citizenship, and he is serving the US Army and will be rotating to Iraq on troop deployment soon.