Does God Exist?
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Whats in the bible should stand against any arguments... reasonable, soundly logically ones...
yes
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
yes
Thus I like you better than BIC.
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
To all: Temperance is stressed time and time again in the bible. I know, me included, many are not temperate at times. Hence, chill or it will be ludicrous to fight for Christ without the fruit of the spirit.
Plus, there is only one Chrisitanity, the only way (John 14:6).
You are more level headed than the TS.
I was taught that those led by the holy spirit will bear the fruit of the spirit.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
You are more level headed than the TS.
I was taught that those led by the holy spirit will bear the fruit of the spirit.
yes. however, it is not easy to put on the whole set of the fruit of the spirt (Gal5, Col3), it will need much effort by the Christian and that's sanctification and holy spirit will need to guide us in the process
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
yes. however, it is not easy to put on the whole set of the fruit of the spirt (Gal5, Col3), it will need much effort by the Christian and that's sanctification and holy spirit will need to guide us in the process
The christian will need to be willing to be led by the holy spirit.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
The christian will need to be willing to be led by the holy spirit.
wrong concept. A person need to be willing to accept Jesus is the saviour of him/herself. Then pray the repentance prayer seriously and sincerely (not a hypocrite), then the holy spirit will come into him/her and the person will be a Christian ( baptism of the holy spirit). Once again, for a person to see his sin depraved self, the holy spirit will need to come into him. Who will get the holy spirit is up to God election and do not discredit me here for saying that God is selfish or what or claims this is a paradox (which trolls like to do), God is our creator which have exclusive rights to decide on our fate.
Hope this clarifies :)
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Quote lor! The basic ones like the one I quote on judging he also don't know still dare to be so damn yayaya! Tell you, nice and humble christian don't behave like him. ]
Christians who can be posting to find fault with non believers are already showing signs they don't practise God's love. He is one of the many who is like that.
All he does is posting to challenge non believers to show how good he is. Damn condescending leh, this is not humility at all. Contrary, his god wants believers to be humble leh.
Wow. I didn't know the christian auntie has hurt this fella so badly. This fella heart must be very broken amd hurt because her christian auntie colleague didn't pay her enough attention.
So much bitter. So much misery. Pity. That is not the worse part - still drowning in misery and pain.
I know most people would say forget about it and move on. But this fella still want to hog about her problem with her christian auntie. Feel bad? Simple solution: Get out of church and move on. But no no still want to kill every walking two legged christian. Haiz this person needs to get a life.
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Originally posted by speakoutfor:
Wow. I didn't know the christian auntie has hurt this fella so badly. This fella heart must be very broken amd hurt because her christian auntie colleague didn't pay her enough attention.
So much bitter. So much misery. Pity. That is not the worse part - still drowning in misery and pain.
I know most people would say forget about it and move on. But this fella still want to hog about her problem with her christian auntie. Feel bad? Simple solution: Get out of church and move on. But no no still want to kill every walking two legged christian. Haiz this person needs to get a life.
you are just as bad as the TS, trolling hahahahahah.
That is your Personal immature perception and personal attack against me. Don't talk like you know me personally. I don't know any ah siao hor. No wonder you have serious mood swing. Say and post at your own risk, karma karma! hahahahah!
eh, siao eh! http://sgforums.com/forums/12/topics/453248?page=5
wow, you psycho that your ex boss had to send you see psychiatrist. Psycho alert!! hahahahah
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
wrong concept. A person need to be willing to accept Jesus is the saviour of him/herself. Then pray the repentance prayer seriously and sincerely (not a hypocrite), then the holy spirit will come into him/her and the person will be a Christian ( baptism of the holy spirit). Once again, for a person to see his sin depraved self, the holy spirit will need to come into him. Who will get the holy spirit is up to God election and do not discredit me here for saying that God is selfish or what or claims this is a paradox (which trolls like to do), God is our creator which have exclusive rights to decide on our fate.
Hope this clarifies :)
hello, you got it wrong. I am not referring to non christians when I posted the christian must be willing to be led by the holy spirit.
Oh I see God will elect who he wants for the holy spirit to go to the christians, hmm this is something new, does not sound right.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
It wasn't on emotional grounds that I replied to your earlier. I am glad that you have clarified what you meant. I am not shooting you or anything. I just do not want this to be a waste of time. I respect your time and you respect mine. That's good. Better to state upfront expectations. I shall respond to your other paragraph later.Okay. That's good to know. (:
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Originally posted by White Dust:
Time is not an effect; time is a pre-requisite for cause and effect. Causality is necessarily temporal, which means it involves an a priori "before" and "after". The concept of before and after is absurd, not to mention self contradictory in the absence of time. Kalam works by an appeal to our cognitive faculties. We observe that "in this universe", everything that begins to exist has a cause. It is then said that therefore, the universe has a cause. But how are we to ascertain if causality exists "outside the universe" if all we've got are occurences of causality "in the universe"? This is the fallacy of composition which I'm referring to. I would also like to add that Kalam does not compel people from atheism, because of the plethora of "creators". One could just as well believe that a blue potato was the uncaused, changless and timeless creator without necessarily believing that said blue potato is a supernatural diety.
Even Hawkings concede the point of singularity, that time has a beginning. Again Kalam states that what began to exist must have a cause. There is again no logical flaw in this premise. Neither is there one in the case of the finite universe requiring a cause. What has been established is that the universe did not always exist. Logic then demands that something must have caused it to exist, even if it is timeless and outside of this universe, an idea that you are apparently not comfortable with. Whether we can ascertain anything outside our universe is irrelevant to the argument about causation. You would be confusing the proof with the logic of the argument.
Even, if for the sake of argument, you wish to argue that the cause of the universe is many creators, we can invoke Occam's Razor and dispense with the many when all we need is just ONE being or entity capable of creating the universe. Is God the same as a blue potato? What properties do you wish to endow your blue potato with? How you know it is blue? Blue is a property of matter, and thus fails the immaterial attribute you mentioned earlier. Again remember, whatever this cause is, it must at least be timeless, immaterial, all powerful (to be able to bring the universe to existence), and personal (to be able to exercise the choice to create the universe).
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Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
Guys, y bother wasting time trying to make this stupid Christian smarter by even 0.001%? I shall go and practice my witchcraft.
Stupid, right? This idiot wants a debate, but what he's doing is equals to preaching. Get ur words right before starting a thread.
BTW, I am not preaching here. I am communicating Christian beliefs and discussing or debating with nonbelievers. But even if I am preaching, please note that it's entirely within my constitutional right and prerogative to do so.
It's OK if you do not wish to debate or discuss here and prefer to cast your spells elsewhere. Thanks for dropping by anyway.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
This kind of asshole is very typical christian who cannot accept the negative side of their faith and christians. He is in to fight everyone who state what we know of christianity.
No matter how much he ppost here, no use la, generallly the christians are nasty to the core. Generally, christians are nasty in church, workplace, families and social setting. The nasty ones condemn people to hell when people refuse to accept their christianiy, yee yucks, so evil ! Where is the love the God so called ask them to practise????????????????
To be fair they are generally nasty but I do come across like one in a million there is a good one.
I am stating reality and he is nasty and angry to say that the christianity I left is not christianity, hahahahahahah, cannot accept reality, so pathetic. I hate attending church for the christians are so fake and nasty.
From your postings you did not show you have proper knowledge of God or the Bible or the Christian faith, so why should I not be suspicious of your claims? Unless you wish to tell me that you were only a Christian for a few weeks and that you were not properly taught in the faith, even though you were sincere about it.
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Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
Someone insults Christianity.
True christians: "it is okay, I hope one day you'll see the truth and may god bless you"
Evil Christians: "what?? How dare you >£^%€&$$&!!! -starts preaching-"
I hope one day you'll see the truth and may God bless you.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
Read what BroInChrist accuse me of below . He said I fail in my bible knowledge. He is truly the one who fail his bible knowledge. Read below the verses from the bible that said do not judge.
6. You failed your Bible knowledge. The Bible did not say not to judge. Please note the proper context. It teaches that we should not judge maliciously and hypocritically. Believers are called to judge right from wrong, truth from error.
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Matthew 7 NIV - Judging Others - “Do not judge, or - Bible Gateway
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7&version...7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others,you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. -
JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED and CAST THE FIRST STONE
www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." ... "judge not lest you be judged" regarding our analysis reports which reveal to their parents the content of movies. -
Criticism: Don't judge, lest you be judged - you hypocrites!
www.rbc.org.nz/library/judging.htm19 Jan 2007 – Don't Judge, Lest you Be Judged! By Chris Good Matthew 7:1-3 1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge ...SO BROINCHRIST, YOU FAIL IN YOUR BIBLE KNOWLEDGE. THESE VERSES ARE JUST THE BASIC YET YOU DO NOT KNOW AND DARE POINT FINGERS AT ME. HAHAHA THANK YOU FOR PROVING WHAT I POSTED ABOUT THE BEHAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS ARE RIGHT. YOU ARE A LIVING TESTIMONY OF WHAT I WROTE ABOUT CHRISTIANS.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
I will put it nicely that it is an epic fail of Bible interpretation. Matt 7 is not a command against judging. Again you need to know basic rules of hermeneutics, and look at the context. But just to convince you that you failed, I shall refer you to this http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html
Now, if you got questions you know where to go, ya?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
From your postings you did not show you have proper knowledge of God or the Bible or the Christian faith, so why should I not be suspicious of your claims? Unless you wish to tell me that you were only a Christian for a few weeks and that you were not properly taught in the faith, even though you were sincere about it.
You have no semblance of logic.
If something doesn't exist.
How you expect people to have knowledge of it?
It's like telling ET or paranormal non-believers that they have no knowledge of ET existence.
They don't believe, yet you ask them for knowledge.
Are you a moron?
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
dON'T TELL ME COME ACROSS AS NICELY YOU WWILL BE AS GENTLE AS A LAMB WITH CARE. YOUR REPLY ALREADY TELLS ME AND THE REST HERE YOU ARE NOT. DON'T TRY TO ACT LIKE ONE YOU ARE NOT, HYPOCRITE!
YOU JUDGE BASING ON YOUR BIAS ATTITUDE SO DON'T BE SO SURE YOU ARE RIGHT! i DON'T KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH TO TELL YOU MY CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND FOR YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU ARE ONE CHRISTIAN THAT CANNOT BE TRUSTED. I HAVE TOLD THOSE VERY FEW NICE CHRISTIANS ABOUT IT AND TOO BAD YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO KNOW IT , HAHAHAHAH!
YOU ARE SUCH A NASTY CHRISTIAN AND WHEN OTHERS REJECT YOUR CHRISTIANITY DON'T BLAME THEM, BLAME YOURSELF!
THEN AGAIN, YOUR BIBLE KNOWLEDGE SUCKS BIG TIME. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE BIBLE YET POINT FINGERS AND JUDGE. DAMN LA!
Aneslayer, any spare chill pill for winsomeea?
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You have no semblance of logic.
If something doesn't exist.
How you expect people to have knowledge of it?
It's like telling ET or paranormal non-believers that they have no knowledge of ET existence.
They don't believe, yet you ask them for knowledge.
Are you a moron?
This thread is for both sides to present arguments for existence of God. Yet you already conclude that He does not exist which is simply begging the question. In the first place how you know God does not exist? Only a moron will say he KNOWS God does not exist.
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I dont have a problem with god.
I have a problem with religion.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Aneslayer, any spare chill pill for winsomeea?
What winsome need is more tender love... which was thrown out. -
Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
He's trolling in another thread.
http://sgforums.com/forums/4245/topics/453959?page=1
Please explain why you consider my posts as trolling.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
What winsome need is more tender love... which was thrown out.Christians may fail him, but God will not. If winsomeea is really looking for love God is just a prayer away. And God can direct him to people who can show him all the affection he needs.
But methinks you still need to give him that chill pill.
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Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
I give u one week to find god and show him to the world. If u can't find god, then Christianity is a bunch of lie. If u can find god, I be all Christians's slave forever. By finding god, I mean calling him down from heaven and then make him show himself to the world.
Please reflect on this below
