Homosexuality is a mental illness.
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I don't know all in detail about this homosexuality stuff, just that I don't like it and Christians and Muslims find it a sin.Originally posted by Repented John 2:I feel that homosexuality is a mental illness & should be classifed as such. Long time ago, it was classified as one but i don't know when for whatever reason it became an alternative lifestyle.
Why? Bcos if one has a normal sexual organ, & one acts like a homosexual, there must be something wrong in their brains not their bodies. I am not talking abt those who have two organs or no organ or born with defective organs etc. These i can understand that it cant be helped for them. But i am talking abt normal people with normal organs. Why would anyone want to indulge in homosexuality unless he is a bit off in his head?
I have come across news of ppl who are homosexuals bcos of certain abuse done to them or some dysfunctional family relationships or grown up being called a sissy in school etc. They were normal in the first place but bcos of these abuses they became abnormal. These are all in the mind. They need therapy, counselling, prayer, family support, medicine etc. It's like a sexually abused young girl or boy who needs treatment or they will become mad or abnormal later in life.
Disclaimer: This is only my personal view & as this is a free country, i am free to air my views. If i have offended anyone, i am sorry. People should come to a conclusion of their own & not just quote my views. They are welcome to air their views as well or oppose what i said or support me. Thanks.
But what I think is that when it comes to basic instinct kinda stuff (need for food, reproduce, etc), we should look back at the animals. We don't see any animals gay now do we? -
Oh, I see. So it's all right if I go into your house, attck you and take over the place and your wife and kill your kids? After all, if you subscribe to the way animals do things, territoriality must be fine with you.Originally posted by MohamedF:But what I think is that when it comes to basic instinct kinda stuff (need for food, reproduce, etc), we should look back at the animals. We don't see any animals gay now do we? -
Victorious Lions will eat the young of their conquered rivals and the females that belonged to the loser straightaway goes into heat and copulate with the winner... so if police catch you, tell them "Lions do that what!"Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh, I see. So it's all right if I go into your house, attck you and take over the place and your wife and kill your kids? After all, if you subscribe to the way animals do things, territoriality must be fine with you.
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actually? we do.Originally posted by MohamedF:I don't know all in detail about this homosexuality stuff, just that I don't like it and Christians and Muslims find it a sin.
But what I think is that when it comes to basic instinct kinda stuff (need for food, reproduce, etc), we should look back at the animals. We don't see any animals gay now do we?
this is where your ignorance fails you. if u want to debate online, at least go and do some reading up 1st. -
+1Originally posted by HENG@:actually? we do.
this is where your ignorance fails you. if u want to debate online, at least go and do some reading up 1st. -
Exactly - what Mo's arguing for is to regulate our behaviour along these lines.Originally posted by casino_king:Victorious Lions will eat the young of their conquered rivals and the females that belonged to the loser straightaway goes into heat and copulate with the winner... so if police catch you, tell them "Lions do that what!" -
In China because of one child policy and Female infanticide; homosexuality is on the rise and prevalent in many rural villages.
Similarly in all male establishments. It would seem like a natural human tendency. -
and even if we did regulate our behaviour along that of animals, he'd lose the argument, because gay animals are very widespread and common
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i would say that its the chines social culture of conservatism that has lead to there being the one child policy, government forced abortions and forced sterlisations and female infanticide. in china. When they started over-crowding, there must have been a rise in the number of homosexuals born, but the chinese culture of supressing anything not thought to be "normal" meant that the population was unnaturally allowed to continue growing unchecked at a destructive rate.Originally posted by casino_king:In China because of one child policy and Female infanticide; homosexuality is on the rise and prevalent in many rural villages.
Similarly in all male establishments. It would seem like a natural human tendency.
Thus, the unnatural mentality of considering homosexuality unnatural, has reasulted in the REAL unnaturality of people having their rights to reproduce subjugated.
The rise in instance of homosexuality in the last 50 years does not match the explosion in the human population in the last 50 years for no reason. Nature is doing her work, but humans are trying their best to stop her, in the pathetic name of their own misguided ideas which they falsely think represents morals. -
Something worth thinking about.
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1) one can argue that they are born genetically this way (although the findings is not conclusive yet), so they should be allow to act/live this lifestyle they choose.
this arguement is flaw as there are also studies that there is a genetic links with people that are prone to commit violence, does this also means we should also say its ok for them to go around destorying and killing? since they too can claim that they are born this way?
Its no use to the non-Christians here. They can't seem to understand that what are we against is the act and not the person. Just as we despise someone' s lies does not mean we hate people who lie.
I'm expecting the word 'hypocrite' to come up soon -
we can understand that alright. but the question is WHY are u against the act? because your book says so? regardless that this acceptance of a false truth results in REAL unnaturality happening?Originally posted by plo30360:x2
Its no use to the non-Christians here. They can't seem to understand that what are we against is the act and not the person. Just as we despise someone' s lies does not mean we hate people who lie.
I'm expecting the word 'hypocrite' to come up soon
does the bible condone female infanticide, forced abortions, forced sterilization and the depravation of an individual's right to breed freely then?
the problem is, u're despising something which you think is a lie, but is more likely to be the truth. That is your delusion. Thats why many of us are against it, not because u are despising the 'liar' but because u're despising the 'lie', when its not necessary a 'lie'. -
Violence hurt others; consenting homosexuals hurt whom? Personally I will vomit if I see 2 guys at it but it is their private business.
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Hypocrite? Nah.
Confused, inane, ignorant, obtuse and regressive, a definite maybe.
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Did Jesus condemn the act of loving another person of the same sex?Originally posted by plo30360:x2
Its no use to the non-Christians here. They can't seem to understand that what are we against is the act and not the person. Just as we despise someone' s lies does not mean we hate people who lie.
I'm expecting the word 'hypocrite' to come up soon -
And a dash of arrogance, ego and pride.Originally posted by Gedanken:Hypocrite? Nah.
Confused, inane, ignorant, obtuse and regressive, a definite maybe. -
Don't forget Play God.
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Oh, how could I forget? "These non-Christians wouldn't understand":
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Forgive the sinners but not the sin. If such principle can be applied systematically, all would be guaranteed a place in heaven.
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and that gives the minority of you the rights to enforce the your inclinations on others, just because you don't feel its a lie, does not means others cannot. just because you accept it does not gives you the right to force others to do the same.Originally posted by HENG@:we can understand that alright. but the question is WHY are u against the act? because your book says so? regardless that this acceptance of a false truth results in REAL unnaturality happening?
does the bible condone female infanticide, forced abortions, forced sterilization and the depravation of an individual's right to breed freely then?
the problem is, u're despising something which you think is a lie, but is more likely to be the truth. That is your delusion. Thats why many of us are against it, not because u are despising the 'liar' but because u're despising the 'lie', when its not necessary a 'lie'. -
Yes Scripture says so just as Scripture speaks out against all sins.
we can understand that alright. but the question is WHY are u against the act? because your book says so? regardless that this acceptance of a false truth results in REAL unnaturality happening?
And you are proposing relative truths in the name of open-mindedness.
the problem is, u're despising something which you think is a lie, but is more likely to be the truth. That is your delusion. Thats why many of us are against it, not because u are despising the 'liar' but because u're despising the 'lie', when its not necessary a 'lie'.
For a Christian, any sin be it acts of violence or acts of homsexuality hurt our relationship with God and the community.
Violence hurt others; consenting homosexuals hurt whom? Personally I will vomit if I see 2 guys at it but it is their private business. Rolling Eyes
On what grounds do you say such things. Just because I don't condone acts of homosexuality makes me ignorant? confused? regressive? inane and obtuse?
Hypocrite? Nah.
Confused, inane, ignorant, obtuse and regressive, a definite maybe.
So you would consider me progressive if subscribe the doctrine of relativism which says everything is free for the taking?
I love my friends,father,brother. This is an act of love between friends and family.
Did Jesus condemn the act of loving another person of the same sex?
However if your asking abt 'homosexual love', that is altogether a different thing.
Was I wrong to state such? Do you even bother to make a pretnese of understanding or you consider everyone who does not have the same view as you regressive?
Oh, how could I forget? "These non-Christians wouldn't understand":
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I agree, its seems like there are some coming in here with the intentions on enforcing their views on others, its like, "I find its ok so everyone else must accept it kind of stuff", I think I had spoken my peace with them, I don't they are here to discuss stuff, just trying to imposing themselves to boast their own ego.Originally posted by plo30360:x2
Its no use to the non-Christians here. They can't seem to understand that what are we against is the act and not the person. Just as we despise someone' s lies does not mean we hate people who lie.
I'm expecting the word 'hypocrite' to come up soon
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its not a minority, for one.Originally posted by vince69:and that gives the minority of you the rights to enforce the your inclinations on others, just because you don't feel its a lie, does not means others cannot. just because you accept it does not gives you the right to force others to do the same.
for 2, its essential we get the rest of u to understand the truth about your own delusions about homosexuality, or we might end up with a sociological state where we believe in things that end up driving us towards our own destruction. To think it is not unnatural to be gay will not end humanity, because even if one thinks that one, doesn't mean one is gay. However, if one adopts the view its wrong to be gay, then one contributes to that self-destructive sociological state I mentioned. Even if u were to argue that there is enough people who do believe homosexuality not to be a sin, so we will never reach that extreme sociological state, the existance of your kind of philosophy only results in the continued justification of hate and homophobia. Even if you personally do not have anything against gay people, your belief that its unnatural, is the fundamental origin and justification for unnecessary hatred. Are u then, willing to be responsible and to admit responsibility for that?
Another problem is, you see it as them enforcing their inclinations on you. Most of the people in here speaking up against seeing homosexuality as "wrong" are not gay. They are not forcing their inclination on you. They are speaking up against it because fundamentally, your beliefs are the ones that allows unnecesary discrimination and hate to survive. We are not forcing it on you. We do not beat you. We do not tell you you'll go to hell if you don't believe like you people do. All we have done is to explain and explain again why you are wrong, in hope that you'll see the logic, and see that your way and your beliefs only allows for hate to circulate. We only keep arguing to try to convince you that if you can put down this belief, you're yet another person who is thus removed from the chain of hate, because u take away credibility from an idea which is both the origin and the justification of the hatred of many.
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I am proposing, in the name of open-mindedness, for you not to think of it with an inflexible mind, as it being a lie, and see the possibility of it being true as well.Originally posted by plo30360:And you are proposing relative truths in the name of open-mindedness.
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If scripture is right, why is slave-ownership abolished as a legality then?Originally posted by plo30360:Yes Scripture says so just as Scripture speaks out against all sins.
If scripture is right, why has it been used to justify violence?