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Achan eh? If you were an achan then you would have handled this in a better way. (hurling abuses, continue insults even after people have apologized, demand respect, can't take people saying you're wrong, etc). What happened to your practise? omg what kind of achan are you!
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Cool it both of you.
If both disagree, or distrust others words, just walk away...takes two to clap..
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Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Hello friends, Non-Self is one of the 3 Dharma Seals, one of the fundamental teachings irregarding of whichever tradition and sects, whether you're from Mahayana, Vajrayana, or Theravadin.
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Again you made such a arrogant remark! Perhaps you are unaware of His Holiness Sakya Trizin who is a eminent figure in Tibetan Buddhism Worldwide. I am his Disciple, if you so free why don't you check out my record from Sakya Tenphel Ling which they probably kept a record. But again there is no need for me to answer to you in any ways & you better get your facts or mentality right! As for my Thai Guru Achan Bong, he has moved on but if you want to talk to him, i am sure i can ask him to pay you a visit, by the way my Guru is quite eccentric & kinda fierce during the days when he taught me thai buddhism & mystic art. I am greatly saddened by his sudden departure & was quite sorry that i was not by his side when he moved on.
"Everything is without a self"? In my perspective, "Self" is "an-attaa" literally means Feelings or Ego. Regardless or whats going on or happen, All beings are impermanent & subject to sufferings. Everything is without a self will only be a reality when Ones reaches Nirvana & ceasation of All Sufferings which literally means state of no Dukkha which is the " Ultimate Reality " where the " Perfect Ones " reside.
Thats all. I will not answer any more of your post or question coz i don't feel its a good avenue to spend my quality time as i am not very free at the moment. Its neither beneficial to me in any way nor am i interested or hold great importance on winning or losing as it don't matter at all to me. If you don't understand so be it...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
The 3 Dharma Seals are: impermanence, non-self, and nirvana
So what exactly is "non-self"? It's a simple concept. The idea of "Self" is a Maya, an illusion that we should all break. We human beings often see ourselves as having a seperate identity from the rest of the world. Because of this illusion, the 3 poisons grow - Greed, Hatred, Ignorance.
So how do we know that the "self" is an illusion? For example, if you are blind, how can you say "I saw a pretty lady", and if you are deaf, can you say "I like this music"? And it all goes down to the Mind. When you are brain-dead or asleep or unconscious, but still alive, can you say that "I exist"? There is no seperate identities in the world. It is the mind that dictates.
Extract from The Matrix:
Boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Boy: Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
A practitioner of Buddhadharma learns to remove our illusions, attachments, and 3 poisons. Only after removing all our defilements can we attain Arhatship (sainthood).
From what you said, it seems to me that you think that only the Buddha has no-self. Indeed, Buddha has no 7th Consciousness, but we normal sentient beings have 7th Consciousness. It is this consciousness of a "self" that deludes us. However, it does not mean that sentient beings have a "self", because the "Self" is an Illusion. Lord Buddha clearly realises this truth.
As to whether Animals have souls, animals are no different from humans in the sense that they are within the 6 realms and are subject to rebirth. Because of their karma, they are reborn in an ignorant realm where they are unable to receive and practice the Buddhadharma. -
Perhaps you are unaware of His Holiness Sakya Trizin who is a eminent figure in Tibetan Buddhism Worldwide. I am his Disciple, if you so free why don't you check out my record from Sakya Tenphel Ling which they probably kept a record. But again there is no need for me to answer to you in any ways & you better get your facts or mentality right! As for my Thai Guru Achan Bong, he has moved on but if you want to talk to him, i am sure i can ask him to pay you a visit, by the way my Guru is quite eccentric & kinda fierce during the days when he taught me thai buddhism & mystic art.
Thai Buddhism has been mixed with lots of Brahmanism flavours, so please do not confuse your Buddhist practice with the "mystic arts". In fact, Buddhism is not supportive or superstitions/voodoo/etc etc... Buddhism is interested in your salvation, and superstitions especially those with dealings with spirits, will only cause one to fall into the ghost realm.
Since your Thai Guru Achan Bong has moved on, I would advise you that you regularly attend the dharma sessions and activities at your Sakya centre, I believe, in Pasir Ris? -
Anyway, there are Buddhist methods to liberate your beloved animals, or give them a chance to be reborned in better realms:
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=post_display&post_id=2313479 -
Perhaps your teachings has done nothing much to you at all, you are a classic example of a Vermin of theThree Poison. Do you know there are many kind of Achan? What kind i am is none of your concern? Whoever i am, I do not need to answer you from any Realms. You got too much of Ashura Characteristic in you.Originally posted by Suicine:Achan eh? If you were an achan then you would have handled this in a better way. (hurling abuses, continue insults even after people have apologized, demand respect, can't take people saying you're wrong, etc). What happened to your practise? omg what kind of achan are you! If you were an achan then you should be propagating true Buddhism, not posting misleading stuff like this: http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=80368
I posting misleading stuff, you better get your facts right. My Article is of Valid Source published by Vaidurya Magazine & excerpts taken from the article without any edit by Buddha Tooth Relic Temple Singapore chaired by Ven. Shi Fazhao. Is this consider Defamation, Libel & Slander in the eyes of Law according to Singapore Legislation & Defamation Act? Therefore i reserved all rights to take civil action against you if you were to made such accusation propagating through any media. As for others i can gladly help you to notify them if you want to, thats all!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet Again Laurence Di Di,Originally posted by laurence82:Cool it both of you.
If both disagree, or distrust others words, just walk away...takes two to clap..
"No doubt exists that some beings are crazy; it's only a question of degree." Ain't this so true? Sometimes its ok to be demented or deranged but don't over abuse its previlege...ha ha ha
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hello friends, Non-Self is one of the 3 Dharma Seals, one of the fundamental teachings irregarding of whichever tradition and sects, whether you're from Mahayana, Vajrayana, or Theravadin.
The 3 Dharma Seals are: impermanence, non-self, and nirvana
So what exactly is "non-self"? It's a simple concept. The idea of "Self" is a Maya, an illusion that we should all break. We human beings often see ourselves as having a seperate identity from the rest of the world. Because of this illusion, the 3 poisons grow - Greed, Hatred, Ignorance.
So how do we know that the "self" is an illusion? For example, if you are blind, how can you say " [b]I saw a pretty lady", and if you are deaf, can you say " I like this music"? And it all goes down to the Mind. When you are brain-dead or asleep or unconscious, but still alive, can you say that " I exist"? There is no seperate identities in the world. It is the mind that dictates.
Extract from The Matrix:
Boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Boy: Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
A practitioner of Buddhadharma learns to remove our illusions, attachments, and 3 poisons. Only after removing all our defilements can we attain Arhatship (sainthood).
From what you said, it seems to me that you think that only the Buddha has no-self. Indeed, Buddha has no 7th Consciousness, but we normal sentient beings have 7th Consciousness. It is this consciousness of a "self" that deludes us. However, it does not mean that sentient beings have a "self", because the "Self" is an Illusion. Lord Buddha clearly realises this truth.
As to whether Animals have souls, animals are no different from humans in the sense that they are within the 6 realms and are subject to rebirth. Because of their karma, they are reborn in an ignorant realm where they are unable to receive and practice the Buddhadharma.
I fully agreed with your explanation which is clear & concise. Trueness is Buddha has no 7th Consciousness, but we normal sentient beings have 7th Consciousness. The "Self" is a delusion. Every disciple of Buddhadharma goal is to remove this illusion to reach Nirvana & attain Arhatship. Only by attaining that, Sentient Beings can break away from the 6 realms without having to go through the Sufferings of Reincarnations. That was what i conveyed in my earlier replies to the latter however he seem rather not receptive about it. Anyway as i have mentioned initially i do not favor or encourage any Discussion pertaining to any Religions in my Haven. Thanks for your kind reply & time...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Thai Buddhism has been mixed with lots of Brahmanism flavours, so please do not confuse your Buddhist practice with the "mystic arts". In fact, Buddhism is not supportive or superstitions/voodoo/etc etc... Buddhism is interested in your salvation, and superstitions especially those with dealings with spirits, will only cause one to fall into the ghost realm.
Since your Thai Guru Achan Bong has moved on, I would advise you that you regularly attend the dharma sessions and activities at your Sakya centre, I believe, in Pasir Ris?
Thanks for your concern & advice! I do undertand Buddhism Core Values & teachings to enlighten all Sentient Beings towards the Path of Salvation. Well basically i am intitiated through Formal Brahmayana Ceremony as my teacher is of Brahmayana Tradition, other than that i do not wish to touch more on this topic. Anyway my teacher has already moved on many years ago & i hope people will show some due respect to him so let's not say anything more to that.
Again i do understand your care & concern, i am rather active at my Sakya Centre in the past. Perhaps there is someone else here who is really in need of your advice & i believe you have the patience & ability to guide him in a more correct way. Thank you for your time & reply...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Anyway, there are Buddhist methods to liberate your beloved animals, or give them a chance to be reborned in better realms:
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=post_display&post_id=2313479
Thanks for sharing this wonderful article with us. All Mantras can help us in all aspect of life, by reciting it can clear our obstacles, avert adverse karmic related occurence, calm our mind, body & spirit etc. They can even help our dying pets, friends or relative to move on smoothly to another realms through recitation. Regardless of which Mantra or Suttra you are comfy with, its always good to do chanting whenever you are free, its even better if you dedicate a little time daily to do it or one great way is to recite a Mantra Like "Om mani padme hum" with every steps you make on your way home, to school or work while walking. Don't you think so...hehehe
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Chanting is a very good way to clear our minds of wandering samsaric thoughts, so that we can be peaceful. When we chant, we must concentrate on our chanting. Chanting is a practice of Samadhi.
There was an old lady... she chanted "Namo Amitabha", but every "Amitabha" will be followed by a vulgar word aimed at her grand-children.. so it goes something like, "Namo Amitabha, hey shut up you faggot!" It totally defeats the purpose, and the monks who saw that quickly approached the old lady and advised her.
However, there is something else I would like to point out. There are 3 types of people who chant mantras/buddha names:
1) They chant for the liberation of all sentient beings
2) They chant for the liberation of themselves from samsara
3) They chant for material benefits and anything due to the three poisons: Greed/Hatred/Ignorance
The 3rd type of chanting is only Samsaric, worldly, and one cannot escape the cycle of samsara with the type of mentality. There are even those who chant dangerous mantras with hatred, aimed at bringing pain to an enemy. This would only bring himself more sufferings and dangers. So, it is important to have the right motivation and right thought. -
Mantra chanting does not only restricted to Buddhism, Various Religions also practise & encourage chanting of mantras. Definitely intent of Ones who chant the Mantra also play an important role, Chanting Mantra is also a form of Self-cultivation of one's personal energy. Through Chanting by the Vibration of the Mantra, this energy is send to the Universe reaching all Realms of Existence. Billion of people globally from different races & religions chant mantras everyday with denial. Are they merely consist of the 3 type of people who chant Mantra, probably alot may disagree with that. Just like same kind of Rice grain can feed 100 types of people, Can they just be categorised into a few numeric group which is quantifiable? , i personally don't think so....
For example, One who preached must have the correct intent behind their Action so that others may benefit from it. If not it will reduced to just meaningless mere words which is redundant. Just like the analogy which is cited & shared in our previous post, Even if the old Lady, she chanted "Namo Amitabha" without the vulgarities but in her heart she has this strong intent for somebody to Shut the Hell Up, It will definitely caused more harm than mere words. Words can be spoketh without much Trouble however Intent which is unseen or hidden can cause more Trouble.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
animals have soul
in the book
an autobiography of a yogi
yogananda tried to 'save' his sheep
but the sheep came in the night in a dream and said'let me go'
some other people suggest animal has a collective soul..eg there is only one soul in a certain animal spieces
like in the movie startrek..a race known as borg has a collective mind
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Merry Meet Lemurian,
Children of Mu...Welcome to my haven...hope to see more of your post in here...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
my mentor lived in a house of of buddha and bodisattra status. he also owned a cat calls lucky.
I can sense Lucky is a vey intelligent cat and well-behaved through these status. who know its also "xiu dao"
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Merry Meet 798,
Well Cats are intelligent lovable creatures, there is one such Siamese cat at Bukit Merah "WAT ANANAD METYARAMA", very intelligent & do responds to Chanting. Not only cats only even Butterflies, whenever i chant at the Temple Butterflies will come... fluttering around me...hehehe
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
i heard some of my friend told me never look in the eyes of the cat for it can read what is in your mind. wonder if this was true?
maybe the reason why cats are proud creature was mainly it was much intelligent than most of the sentient beings. -
Merry Meet Again 798,Originally posted by 798:i heard some of my friend told me never look in the eyes of the cat for it can read what is in your mind. wonder if this was true?
maybe the reason why cats are proud creature was mainly it was much intelligent than most of the sentient beings.
Well Cat is truly a magnificent creature that hold an important place in many different cultures & religions especially in all Pagan, Wiccan , Esoterics Mystic, Magick & Witchcraft. For thousands of years, cats have been regarded as mysterious creatures with supernatural powers. No doubt Cats has its fair share of Beliefs & Superstitions too... what your friend told you is one of them just like "Letting a cat look into a mirror will cause you trouble" however some of these folklores don't exist till now for no reasons. For a Cat lover, probably by looking into their Pet Cat's eyes can tell its mood whether happy , sad or cranky... ha ha ha
Anyway Cats are not the only intelligent creatures around us although they are really proud little Devil...ha ha ha Sensitive to energies & all happening around them with sharp sense of sights & highly intuitive, protective over their owner makes them wonderful companion but Cats tend to attract alot of Yin energies... Most commonly known Familliar of Witches since Ancient times... Absolutely Mystical & Mysterious these Felines...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Hmmm, how come whenever a cat is jumpy, i try to look in its eyes, my eyes telling it, "dun be afraid, i'm your friend and i mean no harm, it can calm itself down."
[b]Merry Meet Again 798,
Well Cat is truly a magnificent creature that hold an important place in many different cultures & religions especially in all Pagan, Wiccan , Esoterics Mystic, Magick & Witchcraft. For thousands of years, cats have been regarded as mysterious creatures with supernatural powers. No doubt Cats has its fair share of Beliefs & Superstitions too... what your friend told you is one of them just like "Letting a cat look into a mirror will cause you trouble" however some of these folklores don't exist till now for no reasons. For a Cat lover, probably by looking into their Pet Cat's eyes can tell its mood whether happy , sad or cranky... ha ha ha
Anyway Cats are not the only intelligent creatures around us although they are really proud little Devil...ha ha ha Sensitive to energies & all happening around them with sharp sense of sights & highly intuitive, protective over their owner makes them wonderful companion but Cats tend to attract alot of Yin energies... Most commonly known Familliar of Witches since Ancient times... Absolutely Mystical & Mysterious these Felines...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
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Merry Meet Again 798,Originally posted by 798:Hmmm, how come whenever a cat is jumpy, i try to look in its eyes, my eyes telling it, "dun be afraid, i'm your friend and i mean no harm, it can calm itself down."
unless it's a sign of animal language?
Well its because you are projecting loving energy from your eyes & Animals are most sensitive to energies, even you don't look at it or make any actions it can sense whether you are friendly or you mean any animosity...
Animal language do exist in Shamanism, Maybe you do have a Gift to converse with Animals...ha ha ha
Blesssed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
hee...
[b]Merry Meet Again 798,
Well its because you are projecting loving energy from your eyes & Animals are most sensitive to energies, even you don't look at it or make any actions it can sense whether you are friendly or you mean any animosity...
Animal language do exist in Shamanism, Maybe you do have a Gift to converse with Animals...ha ha ha
Blesssed Be,
Oceanos [/b]
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hahahaOriginally posted by 798:hee... -
hi all,
i love pets esp cat and dog yet tok of keeping wild cat too..heheee
(just joking)
animals are lonely too.they're craving for love,companionship,they are afraid of being cheated too by their owner..they sense danger,they have fear in their eyes if you notice that.
i believe animal have souls just like us,human being.we 're craving for love,companionship,we fear of unknow darkness,forces..we have so much emotional(feelings) so do animals have feelings for each other esp dogs is always loyal to their owner(if they are nice to them.. )
"Feeling is the only 'language of e soul"----Water rat
blessed be to all animals... -
my heaven...how come a simple tropic turn out to be war of religions conflicts..
world peace...
blessed be all spiritual humans in this forum -
Human haf no souls??
