Highest entities
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Does anyone know which planar being is of the highest entities?
I'm curious to know
is anyone able to give me a list of their ranking for evil entities and holy entities?
oso,I understand that that we are born and atught that theres onli good and evil,but however...i feel that there might b a force thats either good or evil
this might sound far fetch but perhaps im too imaginative or curious...
is so can anyone provide an answer?
thanks
lastly,for oceanos
rmb i asked u about spritual guide?
i wodner is it possible to have a spiritual guide of 2 extreme,a holy spirtual guide and satanic spirtual guide as personal guardian
will it clash?
of course i dun plan of having anything that deals with satanic but like i said,im curious
thanks guys...no jokes reply
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errr..... u could have asked this in e cafe thread....no need to open a new thread just for this
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since its open we might as well discuss here
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depends on e person's definiation on highest plane actually.
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i know nothing about entities tho...looks like this have to be answer by someone who knows more about this topic
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I'm a Buddhist and I'm afraid I don't know much about what is Light Of Atlantis' understanding of the various realms/astral realms/etc. However I'm suggested by Oceanos to reply here also... haha... so I will give a Buddhist understanding of the various realms of existences.
I can't find the website which contains pastable info, so instead I'll give you a link and if you got question we can discuss... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html -
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/tinhtut9.htm (see entire article and explanation)
DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE THIRTY ONE FORMS
OF EXISTENCES IN SAMSARA
(The Round of Endless Rebirths and Deaths)
* I. ARUPA-BHUMI (the plane of formlessness)
* II. RUPA-BHUMI (the plane of Brahma Gods with extra-fine body)
* III. KAMASUGATI-BHUMI (the plane of sensuous and blissful states)
* IV. APAYA or KAMADUGGATI-BHUMI (the nether world of existences)
I. ARUPA-BHUMI. This plane consists of four existences of Brahmas who have no physical body, but have a mind and they can create a physical body if they want to get themselves seen. Rebirth in these existences can only be achieved by intense Samatha meditation and have reached Jhanas or mental accomplishments during their life as humans. They do not have a faculty to perceive Dhamma and therefore they are non-returnees and can never become enlightened nor attain Nibbana.
I.1 Nevasanna-nasannayatana bhumi. The realm of neither perception nor non-perception, the summit of all existences. They can live a life span that is equivalent to that of 84000 Maha kappa or universes. Udaka, the ascetic who was the second teacher abandoned by the Buddha in his search for the Four Noble Truths was reborn in this Brahma realm after dying on the night before the Buddha decided to teach the Dhamma.(3) Reaching the eighth Jhana of Samatha meditation can only attain this highest existence.
I.2. Akincannayatana bhumi. The realm based on nothingness. These Brahmas can live for a life span of 60000 Maha kappa or universes. The teacher of the recluse encountered first by the Buddha in his quest for the truth was the ascetic, Alara. He was the first person searched by the Buddha to reveal his discovery after he decided to teach, but Alara passed away seven days earlier and was found to be reborn in this Brahma realm. (3) The seventh Jhana of the Samatha practice can only reach this attainment.
I.3. Vinnanancayatana bhumi, the realm of infinite consciousness. These Brahmas can survive for the lifetime of 40000 universes (Maha kappa). Those who have practised Samatha meditation as humans and have reached the sixth Jhana can be reborn in this realm.
I.4. Akasanancayatana bhumi, the realm of infinite space. These Brahmas have a life span equivalent to that of 20000 universes. The fifth Jhana of the Samatha meditation can attain this existence.
II. RUPA BHUMI, the heavenly abodes of Brahmas who have a physical body, but does not enjoy sensual pleasures. There are altogether 16 realms of Rupa Brahmas divided into four categories according to the status of Jhana achievements. These Brahmas have faculties to perceive Dhamma and can become enlightened if they come to know the Dhamma.
II.A. Fourth Jhana Planes. The first five abodes in this category are called Suddhavasa or the heavens of purity and only the enlightened ones of Anagami stage are reborn in these planes.
II.A1.5. Akanittha, the supreme heaven where Arahats and Anagams who have a mature Manyi-indriya reside before releasing the final existence and enter Anupadhisata nibbana. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 16000 universes before releasing the final existence.
II.A2.6. Sudassi, the clear-sighted heaven where the Anagams with a mature Samadhi-indriya reside. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 8000 universes before releasing the final existence.
II.A3.7. Sudassa, the beautiful heaven where the Anagams with a mature Sati-indriya reside. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 4000 universes before releasing the final existence.
II.A4.8. Atappa, the serene heaven where the Anagams with a mature Viri-indriya reside. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 2000 universes before releasing the final existence.
II.A5.9. Aviha, the durable heaven where the Anagams with a mature Saddha-indriya reside. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 1000 universes before releasing the final existence.
II.A6.10. Asanna-satta, the heaven of Brahmas with just a body and without any mental aggregate resides. These Brahmas regarded that the mind was the main source for corruption and had strive to annihilate the mind while practising Samatha meditation as a human. The Brahmas of this realm can live up to the life span of 500 universes.
II.A7.11Vehapphala, the heaven of gods and Ariyas of great reward. This realm is shared between Brahmas who have practised Samatha and Vipassana meditation during their life as humans. Those Brahmas who have practised Samatha only can be reborn into lower realms after dying, but those who have practised Vipassana and have attained the Ariya stage can be reborn in this realm again or a higher realm. The famous Ledi Sayadaw was believed to be reborn in this realm by some followers. (7) The Brahmas of this realm can live up to a period of the life span of 500 universes.
II.B. Third Jhana Planes. These abodes harbour Brahmas who have a body with aura as the characteristic. There are three planes in this category.
II.B1.12. Subha-kinha, the heaven of gods full of steady aura. They can live up to the life span of 64 universes.
II.B2.13. Appamana-subha, the heaven of gods of infinite aura. They can live up to the life span of 32 universes.
II.B3.14. Paritta-subha, the heaven of gods with minor aura. They can live up to the life span of 16 universes.
II.C. Second Jhana Planes. The Brahmas of these abodes have a body with different degrees of lustre.
II.C1.15. Abhassara, the heaven of radiant gods. They can live up to the life span of 8 universes.
II.C2.16. Appamanabha, the heaven of gods with infinite lustre. They can live up to the life span of 4 universes.
II.C3.17. Parittabha, the heaven of gods with minor lustre. They can live up to the life span of 2 universes.
II.D. First Jhana Planes. The Brahmas of these abodes are the lowest grade of the Brahma loka. They have a huge body measuring 12 Yojanas (about 96 miles) and have internal organs as ourselves except for the genitalia although they have an appearance of a male. They are well organised and have a head in every thousand Brahmas. The Chief of Maha Brahmas is called Harita and has 100000 followers.
II.D1.18. Maha Brahma, the heaven of the great Brahma Gods. They can live up to the life span of one Asankheyya, an indefinite period equivalent to 64 Antara kappas or human evolution cycles.
II.D2.19. Brahma Purohita, a heaven of the Brahma ministers. They can live up to the life span of a half of one Asankheyya.
II.D3.20. Brahma Parisajja, a heaven of a retinue of Brahmas. They can live up to the life span of a third of one Asankheyya.
III. KAMMASUGATI-BHUMI, the sensuous and blissful existences
This existence consists of the six heavenly abodes of Devas or gods and goddess or angels, the abode of humans and animals, and that of the other three nether existences. All beings of these existences enjoy sensual pleasures and suffer bodily pain and inconveniences. However, the proportion of pain and pleasure is very much different from one abode to the other depending upon the grade. Devas have more pleasure than pain, whilst animals and beings of the nether existences have more pain than pleasure. Humans have a well-balanced sensuality between pain and pleasure, but the hell beings have only pain and without any sensual pleasure. -
III.A. The Six Deva realms
III.A1.21. Paranimmita-vasavati, the heaven of the gods. Here, the Deva Gods have a wielding power. Mara or the devil, the most powerful of all Devas and the legendary opposition to the Buddha is considered to be from this realm. They can live up to a life span of 16000 years, which is equivalent to over 9.2 billion earthly years.
III.A2.22. Nimmanarati, the realm of Deva gods who can create objects and mansions for sensual enjoyment. They can live up to a life span of 8000 years, which is equivalent to > 2.3 billion Earthly years.
III.A3.23. Tusita, the delightful realm for Devas with happiness and contentment. This is the heaven where the next would-be Buddha (Metteya) resides before taking a rebirth as a human. The Devas of this realm can live up to a life span of 4000 years, which is equivalent to 576 million earthly years.
III.A4.24. Yama, the heaven of blissful existence. The King Yama (Rama) rules this realm with great happiness. The Devas of this realm can live up to a life span of 2000 years, which is equivalent to 144 million earthly years.
III.A5.25. Tavatimsa, the heaven of the 33 Devas. The king of this realm is known as Saka who resides in the Vejayanta Palace and rules the kingdom with his 33 followers. It was in this heaven that the Buddha taught the Abhidhamma, the philosophical and psychological text of the Buddhist Tipitaka to the Devas for a period, which was equivalent to three earthly months. The Devas of this realm can live up to a life span of 1000 years, which is equivalent to 36 million earthly years.
III.A6.26. Catumaharajika, the kingdom of the four Great Deva Kings. They are also known as the guardian deities who watched over the BuddhaÂ’s Sasana. They dwell in the four directions of the earth; East (Dhatarattha), West (Virupakkha), North (Vessavana) and South (Virulhaka). They can live up to a life span of 500 years, which is equivalent to 9 million earthly years.
III.B Manussa, Human realm
III.B.27. Manussa, the human realm. This is a materialistic and spiritualistic abode where a mixture of pain and pleasure co-exists. It is the place where people can choose the destiny by leading a good or a bad life, and a testing ground for many faiths. Unlike most of the other existences, humans do not remember the past life and is therefore the best place to develop a self-supportive wisdom. Buddhas of the past and of the future would appear in this human world to rediscover the Four Noble Truths and save many sentient beings from suffering.
IV. KAMADUGATI-BHUMI, the abode of profound suffering. It is also known as Apaya or the nether existences.
IV.A.28. Asura, the demon world. Asura, literally means those beings that do not shine or do not have a sporting spirit. They are regarded as the fallen angels who have power, but use it for a bad purpose and are allied to Mara, the devil.
IV.B.29. Peta, the world of spirits and ghosts who have a characteristic of meanness and attachment. They have different forms and shapes, but misery, delusion and hunger are the constant features found in this existence.
IV.C.30. Tiracchana, the world of animals. They have more pain and less pleasure, and survival of the fittest is the only rule in this existence.
IV.D.31. Niraya, the Hell. It is the existence of continuous suffering and without any pleasure. There are eight grades of Hell where the torture and suffering varies. According to the severity of the punishment they are classified as Sanjiva hell, Kalasutta, Sanghata, Roruva, Maharoruva, Tapana, Mahatapana and Avici hells. They are all believed to be in the different layers of the earth.
LIFE SPAN CALCULATIONS
Antara kappa=1 human evolution cycle starting from a longevity of 10 years to an indefinite period and then degrades back to 10 years again
Asankheyya=64 Antara kappa or human evolution cycles
Maha kappa=4 Asankheyyas or the age of a universe from its beginning to its end -
Sorry.. you mean 'neither good and evil'?Originally posted by olala:oso,I understand that that we are born and atught that theres onli good and evil,but however...i feel that there might b a force thats either good or evil
In very basics, our life is determined by karma, and therefore our conditions as being born as a human is also due to our karma. Wholesome karma leads to virtuous realms, unwholesome karma leads to unvirtuous realms, only pure karma, the 'neither black nor white' karma leads to Nirvana, liberation. (according to Buddhism)
That is to say the Thirty One planes of Existence, or to shorten it can be known as the 6 Realms (which can then again be expanded into the thirty one planes of existence).
Six realms consist of 3 higher realm, 3 lower realm.
3 higher realm: deva (heaven/celestial), human, asuras. 3 lower realm: animal, ghost/spirit, hell.
Wholesome karma leads to 3 higher realm, unwholesome karma leads to 3 lower realm. But to trasncend the 6 realms and 31 planes of existence one needs to purify his mind as well and cultivate. -
Merry Meet olala,
Which is the plane of highest entities will be dependable on your religion & beliefs.
I do understand your Curiousity & Interest however Black Magick or Satanic practices are not encouraged in here. Personally, i do not encourage or condone such Practices neither do i allow any discussion pertaining to that.
Well in every aspects of Life there is always the existence of Black & White, just like the Universe got Yin & Yang Polarity with Balance everything will co-existed.
As for Spiritual Guides, some are borned with Guides, other may have experience with Guides at certain phase of their lives. Some Spiritual guides will not stay forever, they come to this Realms with tasks & missions, once its completed, they will leave. There are many kind of Spiritual Guides : Animal Guides, Spirit guides, Angelic guides, Faery guide & so on. Perhaps its also due to Fate & Affinity if they are part of your lives.
Before we move on, have you asked yourself why do you desire for a Spiritual Guide? Is there a need to? Are you into any form of Spiritual Practice? Are you able to communicate with your Spiritual Guide if there is one in your live? Its not about what you want or desire. Spiritual Guides are messengers from the Other Realms to aid mankind or to complete certain tasks & missions, they will only be there when there is a need to. I am sure many heard of the Miracles of Guardian Angels. Some may have their own experiences with Guardian Angels or Spiritual Guides. They can come in different shapes or forms. Some who are borned into this Realms are Earth Angels, So there are Angels among us, it just the matters if we notice their existence or whether they have been awakened or not.
Thanks for your post.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'm a Buddhist and I'm afraid I don't know much about what is Light Of Atlantis' understanding of the various realms/astral realms/etc. However I'm suggested by Oceanos to reply here also... haha... so I will give a Buddhist understanding of the various realms of existences.[/url]
Thanks for sharing your perspective on these. I feel its more appropriate for the Originator of this thread to have different views & perspectives of his queries. Therefore perhaps you can provide him with more insights on these. Maybe its best you give him a simplified summary of your perspective on these rather than giving him long doctrines, this might be of more help. Do not further confuse him with so much informations. Anyway this is only my suggestion. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet Harryryan,Originally posted by harryryan:errr..... u could have asked this in e cafe thread....no need to open a new thread just for this
Yes... Trueness..
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
i dun get this part...
[b]Merry Meet olala,
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Which is the plane of highest entities will be dependable on your religion & beliefs.
I do understand your Curiousity & Interest however Black Magick or Satanic practices are not encouraged in here. Personally, i do not encourage or condone such Practices neither do i allow any discussion pertaining to that.
Well in every aspects of Life there is always the existence of Black & White, just like the Universe got Yin & Yang Polarity with Balance everything will co-existed.
As for Spiritual Guides, some are borned with Guides, other may have experience with Guides at certain phase of their lives. Some Spiritual guides will not stay forever, they come to this Realms with tasks & missions, once its completed, they will leave. There are many kind of Spiritual Guides : Animal Guides, Spirit guides, Angelic guides, Faery guide & so on. Perhaps its also due to Fate & Affinity if they are part of your lives.
Before we move on, have you asked yourself why do you desire for a Spiritual Guide? Is there a need to? Are you into any form of Spiritual Practice? Are you able to communicate with your Spiritual Guide if there is one in your live? Its not about what you want or desire. Spiritual Guides are messengers from the Other Realms to aid mankind or to complete certain tasks & missions, they will only be there when there is a need to. I am sure many heard of the Miracles of Guardian Angels. Some may have their own experiences with Guardian Angels or Spiritual Guides. They can come in different shapes or forms. Some who are borned into this Realms are Earth Angels, So there are Angels among us, it just the matters if we notice their existence or whether they have been awakened or not.
Thanks for your post.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos [/color]
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i mean theres alot of religion around but whats the "original' religion?
like there muz be a creator from the begining of the universe
which religion does that "cre8tor" belongs to?
cz i believe that no matetr wat belief or religion,all boils down to exualting energy to call upon these planar being..or m i wrong?
yes,i desire to have an angel as my spirtual guardian...
first comes first,i muz stress that this is not due to greed watsoeevr...but mroe of a companion..
yes..i might not b able to see or might b..
even if i cant see...im sure that if an angel is bestow upon me,it'll be around to protect rite?
and lets juz say,its betetr to have an angel as a guardian than soem gmt like what others keep
no offense strictly
but its juz my personal choice of havign something holy and god's servant to guid me -
Merry Meet Scorpboi di di,Originally posted by scorpboi:since its open we might as well discuss here
Yeah, thanks for your support & post. Feel free to make appropriate discussion in here, i am sure others will be able to provide you with different perspectives.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet Olala,Originally posted by olala:i dun get this part...
i mean theres alot of religion around but whats the "original' religion?
like there muz be a creator from the begining of the universe
which religion does that "cre8tor" belongs to?
cz i believe that no matetr wat belief or religion,all boils down to exualting energy to call upon these planar being..or m i wrong?
yes,i desire to have an angel as my spirtual guardian...
first comes first,i muz stress that this is not due to greed watsoeevr...but mroe of a companion..
yes..i might not b able to see or might b..
even if i cant see...im sure that if an angel is bestow upon me,it'll be around to protect rite?
and lets juz say,its betetr to have an angel as a guardian than soem gmt like what others keep
no offense strictly
but its juz my personal choice of havign something holy and god's servant to guid me
You are asking a question that has no definite answer again, its just like asking "whether the egg comes first or the chicken". Your mindset & starting point is already wrong, why must an angel be bestowed to you for a companion? A Spiritual Guide is there for certain reasons, mainly is to guide one on their Spiritual Path & aid onw on ther Spiritual Works, its not just a companion for anyone. Gumantong are literally Child Spirits, how can you compare them to other Level Entities? Yes its their personal choice, this is your personal choice , your personal need, your personal desire, what makes you think they should be answered in any ways? Just like you make a prayer, its a petition to the Divine, do you think they will be answered or granted simply because you asked for it? Its not for you to decide but the Divine to decide whether there is a need to grant it. Just like when you are young, you ask your dad for a toy, will your father just give it to you or he will decide whether there is a need for you to have a toy or maybe what have you done to deserve a toy. Nothing is literally free in this World, you want something you got to work for it, you need to earn it but not necessary you will have it at the end of the day. Its better you concentrate on your studies rather than diverting your attention on Spiritual stuffs as there will be plenty time for you to do so in future when you are older. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
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Originally posted by OCEANOS:
ok then what if we're talkign about entities in the christianity belief
[b]Merry Meet Olala,
You are asking a question that has no definite answer again, its just like asking "whether the egg comes first or the chicken". Your mindset & starting point is already wrong, why must an angel be bestowed to you for a companion? A Spiritual Guide is there for certain reasons, mainly is to guide one on their Spiritual Path & aid onw on ther Spiritual Works, its not just a companion for anyone. Gumantong are literally Child Spirits, how can you compare them to other Level Entities? Yes its their personal choice, this is your personal choice , your personal need, your personal desire, what makes you think they should be answered in any ways? Just like you make a prayer, its a petition to the Divine, do you think they will be answered or granted simply because you asked for it? Its not for you to decide but the Divine to decide whether there is a need to grant it. Just like when you are young, you ask your dad for a toy, will your father just give it to you or he will decide whether there is a need for you to have a toy or maybe what have you done to deserve a toy. Nothing is literally free in this World, you want something you got to work for it, you need to earn it but not necessary you will have it at the end of the day. Its better you concentrate on your studies rather than diverting your attention on Spiritual stuffs as there will be plenty time for you to do so in future when you are older. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
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Merry Meet Olala,Originally posted by olala:ok then what if we're talkign about entities in the christianity belief
what are the different types of entities?
My LOA Rules & Regulations :
~*~ LIGHT OF ATLANTIS ~*~ forbid any discussions pertaining to any Controversial Topics, Politics & Religions!
We can have discussion as long as it adhered to my haven Rules & Regulations. I do not encourage any discussion pertaining to Religions in here to avoid any complications. Moderate discussion is only allowed when there is a need to. No Religious talk involved is fine. You are free to share any appropriate informations but not specifically on any religions. If you do any complications that occurred is solely your own vicarious liability.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
You must understand that Christianity teaches a very different concepts and sometimes it is not useful to try to compare them in this way.Originally posted by olala:ok then what if we're talkign about entities in the christianity belief
what are the different types of entities?
My suggestion to you is that since you're interested, you might as well study yourself the teachings of various religions and then decide yourself.
Kalama Sutra
"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching. Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the
spirit of the words. Rely not on theory, but on experience.Do not believe in anything simply because you
have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do
not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is
written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and
elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
- the Buddha
Also see the full version: http://www.buddhistinformation.com/the_kalama_sutra.htm -
Actually we have to have an open mind in such discussions n not be bounded by race,religion etc...... no restrictions should be set and no one should take anything personally.... onli than can we all have a meaningful discussion
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haha...actually i wasnt bend on mentioning any religion,perhaps i step on to the grey area sicne i saw oceanos mentioning 'depending on belief and religion"Originally posted by harryryan:Actually we have to have an open mind in such discussions n not be bounded by race,religion etc...... no restrictions should be set and no one should take anything personally.... onli than can we all have a meaningful discussion
but in gerneral,oceanos,which are the highest entities?from ur own expereiences and knowledge? -
Merry Meet Olala,Originally posted by olala:haha...actually i wasnt bend on mentioning any religion,perhaps i step on to the grey area sicne i saw oceanos mentioning 'depending on belief and religion"
but in gerneral,oceanos,which are the highest entities?from ur own expereiences and knowledge?
Well i work with various entities in my Spiritual works. Each of them has their Strength & Weakness. Its hard to define who are "Highest", there is no tangible measure as in these. Just like when i do Healing fro others, there will be angel Helpers aiding me in my healing light works. When i perform rites & rituals, depending on the nature of my workings & who i call for will aid me in the needs of my spell works.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
my 2 cents.. olala... cld i suggest a small piece of advice oceanos gave me long ago..
once u start on this path there is no going back...
so i wld suggest you think carefully abt wht u really lking for... -
*Nod Nod*Originally posted by harryryan:Actually we have to have an open mind in such discussions n not be bounded by race,religion etc...... no restrictions should be set and no one should take anything personally.... onli than can we all have a meaningful discussion
Good Point!
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Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:my 2 cents.. olala... cld i suggest a small piece of advice oceanos gave me long ago..
once u start on this path there is no going back...
so i wld suggest you think carefully abt wht u really lking for...
Well i do not feel he is interested in embarking on a Spiritual Path but he desire for a Personal Spiritual Guide. Thanks for sharing.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
oceanos is oceanos
[b]Merry Meet KFDugong,
Well i do not feel he is interested in embarking on a Spiritual Path but he desire for a Personal Spiritual Guide. Thanks for sharing.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]