The 7 Signs of the Apocalypse
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People are saying the end is near after witnessing two deadly quakes in Sumatra this year. There is also a popular belief that there are seven signs that point to the Apocalypse. What are they? A Muslim friend of mine told me some time ago that the fifth sign has already appeared.
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Merry Meet Iveco,
Well maybe you can elaborate on the 7 Signs of Apocalypse individually?
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
I'm not very sure of them myself, so I'm asking if anyone knows. Basically, what my friend said was overall morality of siciety was in decline, which, according to him, was one of the indicators that the end is near.
[b]Merry Meet Iveco,
Well maybe you can elaborate on the 7 Signs of Apocalypse individually?
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] -
Looks like most of the religions nowadays r predicting doom in our future,sad m disheartening but also a warning to us to pull up our socks n be good n nice...but as ususal ....we as human beings dun really listen.
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According to LazerLords at Speaker's Corner, the world is already dead. Everywhere you go, people are so soulless. It's the rat race and chase for more $$. Besides, we have scientists trying to play God and clone themselves. After all, the late Pope John Paul II was deeply unhappy at the sad state of affairs in modern society.Originally posted by harryryan:Looks like most of the religions nowadays r predicting doom in our future,sad m disheartening but also a warning to us to pull up our socks n be good n nice...but as ususal ....we as human beings dun really listen. -
Merry Meet Iveco,Originally posted by iveco:I'm not very sure of them myself, so I'm asking if anyone knows. Basically, what my friend said was overall morality of siciety was in decline, which, according to him, was one of the indicators that the end is near.
I see. So you are telling me this is only a hearsay of no validity? "Apocalyse" or "Doomsday" are also mentioned in the Book of Revelation, Believers of impeding Apocalyse whereby will mark the End of the World like "Doomsday Cult" have their own perspective on Signs of Apocalypse which can be more than the vague 7 signs that you cited without much backing. Anyway thanks for your reply.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
This thread is too depressing...armmaggedon n doomsday... destruction n death of all.... it was just like e Tsunami reanactment on yesterday's TCS show.
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IMHO, there will certainly be an end to civilisation and an end to our world, but Apocalypse does not just happen overnight. It will not happen in say.. another millenium too.
Civilisation has come a long way and the world has met all sorts of disasters before. I don't think recent disasters justifies "Apocalypse" but shows the communal karmic effects of a large group of people and the world. Such events can also be seen as a karmic cleansing phase. Perhaps a large group of people participated in wars and mass murder... and karmic effects have shown to affect not only the humans.. but also countless animals.
The world has and will continue to go through different stages and civilisation will also go through different ages. People will continue to change, our geography will change, our technology will change and the spirituality/morality among the masses will also change with time. We have a long way to go.
Humanity is currently entering a degenerated age... and will continue to be for some time but after which there will be a turning point, when everyone is sick and tired of the way the world is and seeks a change. -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:IMHO, there will certainly be an end to civilisation and an end to our world, but Apocalypse does not just happen overnight. It will not happen in say.. another millenium too.
Civilisation has come a long way and the world has met all sorts of disasters before. I don't think recent disasters justifies "Apocalypse" but shows the communal karmic effects of a large group of people and the world. Such events can also be seen as a karmic cleansing phase. Perhaps a large group of people participated in wars and mass murder... and karmic effects have shown to affect not only the humans.. but also countless animals.
The world has and will continue to go through different stages and civilisation will also go through different ages. People will continue to change, our geography will change, our technology will change and the spirituality/morality among the masses will also change with time. We have a long way to go.
Humanity is currently entering a degenerated age... and will continue to be for some time but after which there will be a turning point, when everyone is sick and tired of the way the world is and seeks a change.
Even if Apocalypse do happen it does not necessary mean the End of Mankind, however its definitely the End of Urbanisation, Communal Karmic Effects of Mankind, probably so as This whole Earthly Plane has been undergoing Deep Cleansing Phase since now is the Transition Period whereby Energies are shifting. Transition Period of what? Some believe its the Transition Period between Piscean Age and the Aquarian Age. Some believe that Aquarian Age has already arrived, its the New Age Era & the dawn of it has brought about many changes due to the shifting of energies too. Its concern not only Mankind but all Beings that reside in this Earthly Plane.
Maybe now its the Spiritual Age whereby all Sentient Beings are going to prove their worth of Existence to the Divine by embracing all of Nature & Divine, advancing towards the Divine through their Faith & Practice & degenerating to the Primitive Ways of life. Many may think even if they are not Divine but by being close to Divine, it may really save their Souls. Don't you think so? At this moment there can never be any Answers, maybe we will never know untill there is any Physical Manifestations maybe not in this lifetime but the Answers shall be revealed in our future generations.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Ladies and gentlemen.
May I propose to you the idea, that thinking about a coming apocalypse is not what you should be doing now.
If you are the religious type (and by this I mean, strongly Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Taoist, what have you) you should realise that everyone is predicting the end of mankind at every corner. Apocalypse, armageddon, bla de bla..
Face the truth: our life will end, armageddon or not. Our time on this earth is not infinite. Do you really want to waste it believing one idiota or another proclaiming the end of your civilisation as you know it? If you are truly concerned, then as practitioners of magick, give a little bit of your will, your psychic energy towards healing the earth, and her spirit.
But know that even if you do this, there is no guarantee the end will not come at some point. Its either the world ends, or your life... its just a matter of which one first, sooner or later, so on and so forth.
If you truly fear losing your time prematurely on this plane.. then STOP IT!
Instead of worrying, devote each day to the things that matter to you. Indulge in your life, don't waste a second! Tell your loved ones you love them! Show them even!
Pay no heed to doomsayers who will probably at some point, try to make use of you to their own ends instead of teaching you to empower yourselves and your lives!
apologies for the outburst. I've had quite enough of apocalyptic warnings with no backing as it is.
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Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:Ladies and gentlemen.
May I propose to you the idea, that thinking about a coming apocalypse is not what you should be doing now.
If you are the religious type (and by this I mean, strongly Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Taoist, what have you) you should realise that everyone is predicting the end of mankind at every corner. Apocalypse, armageddon, bla de bla..
Face the truth: our life will end, armageddon or not. Our time on this earth is not infinite. Do you really want to waste it believing one idiota or another proclaiming the end of your civilisation as you know it? If you are truly concerned, then as practitioners of magick, give a little bit of your will, your psychic energy towards healing the earth, and her spirit.
But know that even if you do this, there is no guarantee the end will not come at some point. Its either the world ends, or your life... its just a matter of which one first, sooner or later, so on and so forth.
If you truly fear losing your time prematurely on this plane.. then STOP IT!
Instead of worrying, devote each day to the things that matter to you. Indulge in your life, don't waste a second! Tell your loved ones you love them! Show them even!
Pay no heed to doomsayers who will probably at some point, try to make use of you to their own ends instead of teaching you to empower yourselves and your lives!
apologies for the outburst. I've had quite enough of apocalyptic warnings with no backing as it is.
Well with many Doctrines of Apocalypse around, i do reserve my doubts about it thats why i am questioning the validity of it from the originator of this topic however untill now i have yet seen any valid response from the latter. Probably from my previous post, many probably will have their individual perspective about it, how this topic has become rather interesting indeed.
There are always realms beyond this Earthly Plane, Mankind are just a form of representation. Its Mundane Matters that makes this World goes round & round. Thanks for your reply.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
i agree wif uOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:IMHO, there will certainly be an end to civilisation and an end to our world, but Apocalypse does not just happen overnight. It will not happen in say.. another millenium too.
Civilisation has come a long way and the world has met all sorts of disasters before. I don't think recent disasters justifies "Apocalypse" but shows the communal karmic effects of a large group of people and the world. Such events can also be seen as a karmic cleansing phase. Perhaps a large group of people participated in wars and mass murder... and karmic effects have shown to affect not only the humans.. but also countless animals.
The world has and will continue to go through different stages and civilisation will also go through different ages. People will continue to change, our geography will change, our technology will change and the spirituality/morality among the masses will also change with time. We have a long way to go.
Humanity is currently entering a degenerated age... and will continue to be for some time but after which there will be a turning point, when everyone is sick and tired of the way the world is and seeks a change. -
That's my point! There's no need to waste our time thinking and pondering whether the Apocalypse has come. If for your own interest you want to know more about this, then fine. But it is not something ultimate that we must know.Originally posted by KFDugong:Ladies and gentlemen.
May I propose to you the idea, that thinking about a coming apocalypse is not what you should be doing now.
If you are the religious type (and by this I mean, strongly Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Taoist, what have you) you should realise that everyone is predicting the end of mankind at every corner. Apocalypse, armageddon, bla de bla..
Face the truth: our life will end, armageddon or not. Our time on this earth is not infinite. Do you really want to waste it believing one idiota or another proclaiming the end of your civilisation as you know it? If you are truly concerned, then as practitioners of magick, give a little bit of your will, your psychic energy towards healing the earth, and her spirit.
But know that even if you do this, there is no guarantee the end will not come at some point. Its either the world ends, or your life... its just a matter of which one first, sooner or later, so on and so forth.
If you truly fear losing your time prematurely on this plane.. then STOP IT!
Instead of worrying, devote each day to the things that matter to you. Indulge in your life, don't waste a second! Tell your loved ones you love them! Show them even!
Pay no heed to doomsayers who will probably at some point, try to make use of you to their own ends instead of teaching you to empower yourselves and your lives!
apologies for the outburst. I've had quite enough of apocalyptic warnings with no backing as it is.
But all these natural disasters tells us one thing: That life itself is fickle and impermanent, to attain a human life is indeed very precious.
Start practising! Start living every single moment in the world blissfully and liberatedly - nothing in the world that happens can defeat you. Your Buddha Nature is unchanging and will never die. That is ultimately what we seek. In other spiritual systems it's known as the "Higher/Greater Self", "God nature", "Source", etc. The experience is the same although different people different sages realise it in different clarity and interprete it differently at the conceptual level.
However to live your life indulged in sensuous pleasures... but being ignorant of death and sufferings, is something that we all must avoid. We can live every single day and suffer every single day. Or maybe we can live every single day indulged in sensuous pleasures with not much pain but at the end of the life, we are full of regretts, we are full of miseries, we cannot let go. That is a life not worthy of living... it has no value. However on the other hand we don't have to. Our Buddha Nature is complete - it does not suffer, it is all that we need to live the highest bliss. To live a life without any regrets at the end, to be blissful, that is the greatest, the most valuable living. We seek liberation. We live liberated. We return to our Buddha Nature/God nature/Higher Self/Source.
p.s: I didn't post about the Tsunami because some Buddhist scriptures mentioned that there will be a great Tsunami coming on 26th December and there will be volcanoes erupting everywhere in the coming period. Just my own interest
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which scripture mention the year and date exactly? so fascinating
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Actually in Tibetan Buddhism got such scriptures.Originally posted by elektra:which scripture mention the year and date exactly? so fascinating
Just read the Kalachakra scriptures, their prophecies not only fulfill, but ON TIME. The Kalachakra provide a 100-year period prophecies about what would generally be happening. It doesn't speak of an apocalypse though."...for example, king Manjushrikirti (living in the second century BCE) predicted the coming of the "barbarian Dharma" after 800 years (about 600 CE).
and some other ancient Tibetan prophecies (the following particular one by the founder of Tantric Tibetan Buddhism, Padmasambhava, in addition to the previous one, that also speaks about foreign persecution of Tibet and spreading of the Buddhadharma to other parts of the world:
The prophecy further says that during the reign of the 21st. king, Aniruddha (1927-2027), Buddhism and the Kalachakra will have nearly come to an end in Tibet, Mongolia, China and much of Asia. This could certainly be said to be accurate! For example, after the Chinese invasion in Tibet in 1959 and the destruction of nearly all monasteries afterwards, the master Ven. Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche was the only remaining Tibetan master holding a specific lineage of the Vimalaprabha (the 'Stainless Light' commentary); which is one of the only two main Kalachakra texts..."“When the iron bird flies, and horses run on wheels, the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across the world, and the Dharma will come to the land of the red faced people”
This has certainly have been/am fulfilling in the current situation of Buddhism.
Anyway this is not Buddhist forum so I won't post any further.
But... nevertheless prophecies aren't really very important unless it particularly concerns us. What happens 10000 years later doesnt matter me... yet. -
Merry Meet An Eternal Now,
Thanks for sharing these wonderful informations. Hope to see more of your post in here.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Whatever floats your boat baby... but perhaps you misread me. I do believe in and will engage in sensuous pleasures for as long as I can, as long as I am ALIVE... for as long as I live, I have senses... what use having them if I don't use em to the max.. to enjoy every touch, taste, sight, sound, scent that exists on earth.
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That's my point! There's no need to waste our time thinking and pondering whether the Apocalypse has come. If for your own interest you want to know more about this, then fine. But it is not something ultimate that we must know.
But all these natural disasters tells us one thing: That life itself is fickle and impermanent, to attain a human life is indeed very precious.
Start practising! Start living every single moment in the world blissfully and liberatedly - nothing in the world that happens can defeat you. Your Buddha Nature is unchanging and will never die. That is ultimately what we seek. In other spiritual systems it's known as the "Higher/Greater Self", "God nature", "Source", etc. The experience is the same although different people different sages realise it in different clarity and interprete it differently at the conceptual level.
However to live your life indulged in sensuous pleasures... but being ignorant of death and sufferings, is something that we all must avoid. We can live every single day and suffer every single day. Or maybe we can live every single day indulged in sensuous pleasures with not much pain but at the end of the life, we are full of regretts, we are full of miseries, we cannot let go. That is a life not worthy of living... it has no value. However on the other hand we don't have to. Our Buddha Nature is complete - it does not suffer, it is all that we need to live the highest bliss. To live a life without any regrets at the end, to be blissful, that is the greatest, the most valuable living. We seek liberation. We live liberated. We return to our Buddha Nature/God nature/Higher Self/Source.
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hey of course i will be sad to let go of life when the time comes... but heck, if i know i've spent that time with the most fun ever... then heck, die die also must let go what (pun intended )
I do not seek to aspire to be a buddha/god/deity after I die/be enlightened
I am a god, here, now and always. -
I do not seek to aspire to be a buddha/god/deity after I die/be enlightened
Some people see it as merely a mystical attainment. It is rather a form of realisation - that you were ALWAYS, and have been, a Buddha. Enlightenment can take place RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW... it doesn't require time, in fact it transcends it. But of course without a realised teacher (not easy to find one..) its not so easy.
A mistaken concept about enlightenment is that it takes place after death. If you cant be liberated in life, how do you think it is possible in death? (with all the pain.. etc)I am a god, here, now and always.
Nope, only when such karma lasts
You never know what may happen.
Gd luck. But be a meritious and virtuous person. So even if you dont get enlightened at least your good karma wont be over so soon. -
Whatever floats your boat baby... but perhaps you misread me. I do believe in and will engage in sensuous pleasures for as long as I can, as long as I am ALIVE... for as long as I live, I have senses... what use having them if I don't use em to the max.. to enjoy every touch, taste, sight, sound, scent that exists on earth.
Don't have to avoid them unless its extreme. We're all not monks. But more importantly don't lose your innate Awareness to it...
hey of course i will be sad to let go of life when the time comes... but heck, if i know i've spent that time with the most fun ever... then heck, die die also must let go what (pun intended )
But it's not an easy matter to let go at the end of it.
Even attaining the 1st Jhana in meditation... you would already know... the joy is far greater than sex. It transcends ordinary sensuous enjoyment. Therefore its hard to use words to describe meditative experiences.
You can enjoy all you want now.. or even in the heavens in future lives... but Nirvana is the Highest Bliss (said by Buddha). This bliss is much higher than fulfilling craving.
Also... think about it. What is the greatest wealth? Not anything found on Earth... just a simple contentment. -
The greatest wealth, happiness and everything else can be found on this earth. There is only one great treasure for all mankind. It is both general and specific, homogeneous and unique all at once. It is one's own self. Being able to cherish and indulge in yourself, and your own humanity is the only truth there is for me.
Karma? Jhana? Enlightenment? I never said anything about after death. I'll say it again, I NEITHER BELIEVE NOR CARE FOR WHAT AWAITS ME AFTER DEATH.
Neither do I seek enlightenment or watch for my karma while it lasts.
It is not karma that guides me. It is the hidden force of nature. It is eternal, and I will enjoy it forever -
I never said anything about waiting until you die. I didn't say anything about an eternal heaven in your next life or something like that. It is in this life that we should make use of.
Most people nowadays are getting more materialistic... they seek what is outside but forsake the inner mind and their true self. They are not any material entities but yet it does not reject them. Objects and forms of the world are very limited. They are impermanent and without any inherent existence. The mind is however infinite, boundless, like space.
Happiness, sufferings, it all depends on your mind....Today, I am going to speak about the meaning of life and the experience of death in a positive way, which is very important to our lives. As you see, everybody, no matter what country he or she comes from, what language he or she speaks, what social, economic and political system he or she belongs to, what kind of culture or belief system he or she is acquainted with, whether he or she is rich or poor, educated or uneducated, desire to have peace and happiness and be free from suffering. There is no question about that. Even if we have to destroy our happiness, we are destroying our happiness in order to bring happiness. Even if we have to chase the suffering, we are chasing the suffering in order to be free from suffering. Due to ignorance, we chase the suffering unintentionally in order to be free from suffering. We make efforts and work very hard in our lives in different fields to acquire more happiness and be free from suffering. Due to different cultures, different belief systems, different teachings, we follow different paths materialistically, spiritually, outwardly and inwardly. However, the basic purpose of our lives is the same, that is, to bring happiness and be free from suffering. This is the meaning of life and the purpose of life.
The Original Mind.. is the most natural state of the mind. That is what spiritual practitioners seek. A mind of attachments, miseries, wrong thoughts, these are the 'unnatural' state of mind that brings sufferings.
Because of that, as modern technology advances, many new things are invented and developed in order to bring happiness and to make our lives more comfortable and peaceful. The advanced technology enables us to measure and go to the outer space. We try to explore the outer space as much as we can even though there is no limit to the outer space. We try to see what we can find there –another planet, another place, what kind of things or beings exist. We would like to have more control of the outer space in order to secure our peace and happiness. Computers can do so much and still there is no end to exploring technology in order to have better and more meaningful lives. When we are so busy exploring the outer technology, outer phenomena, we forget our inner mental technology. The quality of our inner mental technology is immeasurable, infinite, like space. We keep projecting and exploring outside and forget that mind is the one that explored and created all these technologies. We lose the sense of mental quality. To know our mind, we do not have to go anywhere. It resides within us, face to face and yet we do not know. We judge other things, other people, outer technologies, we do not know how to judge our mind...
http://www.purifymind.com/LifeAndDeath.htm
Buddhism is ultimately not more than finding your true self.Karma? Jhana? Enlightenment? I never said anything about after death.
Entering into jhanas during meditations are quite common among those who practised meditation for some time. Like I said Enlightenment happens in the living. For example, Buddha attained enlightenment while he was alive. Karma is also committed in the living by our Mind, Speech, Actions. I did not suggest anything linked to death. -
OH NOOOO
we are off topic liao
sorry everyone!
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wait.. come to think of it... maybe not that good an idea to return to topic yah? its so negative and kinda distressing.... we must have more happy days and moments! that way even if the world was to end tomorrow we will know our time was not wasted larOriginally posted by KFDugong:OH NOOOO
we are off topic liao
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Originally posted by KFDugong:OH NOOOO
we are off topic liao
sorry everyone! 
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Originally posted by iveco: boo! Did I scare you into thinking the world was ending?