OBEs and Astral projection
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Merry Meet plo30360,Originally posted by plo30360:comments??
Welcome to my Haven, hope you enjoy your stay in here! What kind of comments do you want? Such Topic with open-ended queries, there can only be generic answers! Thanks for starting such an Interesting Topic.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet To All,
What is Astral Projection?
Astral projection means projecting your awareness to the astral plane.
The astral plane is a world made of energy that can be shaped by thought and emotion. In the astral plane, a person can create objects and communicate with other beings, both humans and spirits.
Remote Viewing is a form of projection, just like astral projection. The difference is that it takes you to a physical location instead of an astral one.
What is an 'Out of the Body Experience'?
Out-of-body-experiences (OBEs) are those curious, and usually brief experiences in which a person's consciousness seems to depart from his or her body, enabling observation of the world from a point of view other than that of the physical body and by means other than those of the physical senses.
Thus, an out-of-the-body experience can initially be defined as 'an experience in which a person seems to perceive the world from a location outside his physical body'. In some cases experients claim that they 'saw' and 'heard' things (objects which were really there, events and conversations which really took place) which could not have seen or heard from the actual positions of their bodies.
Astral Projection vs. Out of Body Experiences
Astral projection and out of body experiences are not the same.
Leaving the body and astral projection are different forms of travel. The astral plane is one of many places a person can go when out of body or when projecting. Astral projection can happen while still in body and awake.
Astral projection requires feelings like daydreaming and being creative because they trigger psychic perceptions. You may feel at first that you are imagining what you see. That's ok. In time, you will change from imagining it to perceiving it accurately.
The level of danger is less than normal physical life. You might run into someone who will get angry with you for no apparent reason. However, as long as you don't go looking for trouble, such occurrences are unlikely. Even if someone doesn't like you, they're unlikely to do anything more than give you a minor headache.
Contrary to some common myths, you can not die from leaving your body or from projection. You can not be trapped out of your body. Demons will not take over your body while you're gone. If you get anxious or stressed, you'll just wake up naturally, like from a nighttime dream.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
No offence Oceanos, your speech reminds of some role-players in rpg games
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Anway the information you posted more or less summarises what i've found on the net. I'm wondering if anyone in Singapore has experinced an OBE or practied Astral Projection(actively, since they say when we sleep, all of astral project just that we are not aware of it.)
Regarding remote viewing, Discovery channel once had a docummentry on it, if anyone knows tht title do let me know.
I also want to add Lucid dreaming, when I was young I could do it,(seems children have a easier time doing it). Anyone here practise lucid dreaming?
Lucid dreaming means dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden who used the word "lucid" in the sense of mental clarity. Lucidity usually begins in the midst of a dream when the dreamer realizes that the experience is not occurring in physical reality, but is a dream. Often this realization is triggered by the dreamer noticing some impossible or unlikely occurrence in the dream, such as flying or meeting the deceased. Sometimes people become lucid without noticing any particular clue in the dream; they just suddenly realize they are in a dream. A minority of lucid dreams (according to the research of LaBerge and colleagues, about 10 percent) are the result of returning to REM (dreaming) sleep directly from an awakening with unbroken reflective consciousness.
The basic definition of lucid dreaming requires nothing more than becoming aware that you are dreaming. However, the quality of lucidity can vary greatly. When lucidity is at a high level, you are aware that everything experienced in the dream is occurring in your mind, that there is no real danger, and that you are asleep in bed and will awaken shortly. With low-level lucidity you may be aware to a certain extent that you are dreaming, perhaps enough to fly or alter what you are doing, but not enough to realize that the people are dream representations, or that you can suffer no physical damage, or that you are actually in bed. -
Merry Meet plo30360,Originally posted by plo30360:No offence Oceanos, your speech reminds of some role-players in rpg games .
Anway the information you posted more or less summarises what i've found on the net. I'm wondering if anyone in Singapore has experinced an OBE or practied Astral Projection(actively, since they say when we sleep, all of astral project just that we are not aware of it.)
Regarding remote viewing, Discovery channel once had a docummentry on it, if anyone knows tht title do let me know.
I also want to add Lucid dreaming, when I was young I could do it,(seems children have a easier time doing it). Anyone here practise lucid dreaming?
Well as your question is open-ended it will definitely get you some generic answer. Astral projection can be an inborn ability or can be attained through certain practice. OBEs can occurred to anyone at any time, at times it happens after One had experienced some traumatising experiences or if One's personal energy is not grounded & very light, OBEs can occurred suddenly without the subject of being awared of it & not within control. There is definitely people in Singapore into Astral works & have experience in Astral Projection but what makes you think they are obligated to supply you with any informations pertaining to it? Is that a request or a command? Well if you are so naive to think that you can get answer simply by asking for it, read a few books, ask a few question in the net, if its so simple, not everything can be found in the Net. I really admire your inquisitive nature & effort.
If so there will not be any classification or categorisation in Society, there will not be a need for any professional. If you are sick administer your own medication but if there is any detriments of mishaps, only yourself is answerable for it, non-vicarous to anyone else!
Heard of Bi-location, to be at 2 different places at the same time? The use of intent to project to chosen location. Its another form of Projection however its to another location in this earthly plane.
When we are born, all of us are of pure energy of the Original Life Blueprint, as times goes by as we grow, we become tainted & clouded due to other factors like enviroment & so on. Many of us do have the spiritual sight when we were young be it more or less but however Adults will always say its not true, they don't exist on & on again, soon Logical cognition will take over & totally eradicate the existence of these latent abilities or suppressing & locked it deep within us untill we find the key to it, we will not be able to use these latent abilities again. By the time we reached puberty towards the phase of Adulthood, it is almost totally gone. That goes the same for Lucid Dreaming. Practicising is another issue, Mastering & Controlling it is another, if its so simple.
Thanks for your reply, hope all these answer your queries!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Point is Wat if Oceanos can teach u to project urself astrally.....u might not be able to control it.In the end ,it will not be of benefit to u.
U need someone experienced by ur side when u do it ...otherwise consequences might not be ones u can bear.
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Merry Meet Harryryan,Originally posted by harryryan:Point is Wat if Oceanos can teach u to project urself astrally.....u might not be able to control it.In the end ,it will not be of benefit to u.
U need someone experienced by ur side when u do it ...otherwise consequences might not be ones u can bear.
I am afriad you have misunderstood what i meant, none of my words imply i have the interest of teaching anyone anything. Not everyone can Astral Project, One must already possessed certain abilities & considerable amount of psychic energy to be able to do it not simply by mere practices or attempting it which can be dangerous at times. The ability to Astral Project is a gift of Divine which is not easily attained just through any forms of Practice. That goes the same for Levitation & other forms of Psychic abilities, although some can be attained through certain practice but not all, the least requirement , you got to have that certain latent ability in you in the 1st place. There is a very noticeable difference in the Etheric body & Energy of One who can astral project, not all psychic or Mystics have that ability!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
i was just stating in an example like format that he should not try to do astral projection on his own...especially from reading books n web pages n just think he can do it on his own.At least with someone who is already gifted in the area,the chances of "chou huo ru mou" is slimer.
[b]Merry Meet Harryryan,
I am afriad you have misunderstood what i meant, none of my words imply i have the interest of teaching anyone anything. Not everyone can Astral Project, One must already possessed certain abilities & considerable amount of psychic energy to be able to do it not simply by mere practices or attempting it which can be dangerous at times. The ability to Astral Project is a gift of Divine which is not easily attained just through any forms of Practice. That goes the same for Levitation & other forms of Psychic abilities, although some can be attained through certain practice but not all, the least requirement , you got to have that certain latent ability in you in the 1st place. There is a very noticeable difference in the Etheric body & Energy of One who can astral project, not all psychic or Mystics have that ability!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] -
I'm very sorry if my words offends anyone, but I'm not gifted in the art of fine langague. I was not commanding anyone to teach me, merely a humble request. Astral projection, I thought is safe? Is that not what you mentioned?
I was hoping of finding a Singaporean version of a website like this:
http://www.jonasridgeway.com/ -
Merry Meet plo30360,Originally posted by plo30360:I'm very sorry if my words offends anyone, but I'm not gifted in the art of fine langague. I was not commanding anyone to teach me, merely a humble request. Astral projection, I thought is safe? Is that not what you mentioned?
I was hoping of finding a Singaporean version of a website like this:
http://www.jonasridgeway.com/
Well no offence taken, however i am just trying to let you see it at a different light.
Theoretically its safe however in Practical its not. Let me share this with you which happened in year 2000, during a Practical Empowerment Session with one of my lady student, due to her inability to control & over-engrossment, she got trapped & lost in the Astral Realm. The rest of my students are already conscious but she remain seated with her eyes closed, while her body & hands swaying in movements executing out different kinds of Mudras. From there i know she is lost in the Astral realm & i got to get her back to her physical self. I called her name to summon her spiritual self back & i got hold of her spiritual self & put it back into her physical body, then with a sigil i drawn with my index finger i pushed the sigil down from her crown chakra down to her base chakra to ground her energy. At this moment, she stopped all her movements. I ringed my Ritual Bell & i called her name & tell her to slowly open her eyes. I asked her if she is ok, she replied "Yes". She said halfway through my empowerment session in the meditative state suddenly she find herself in a beautiful place, she was walking around the place. I told her what happened to her a moment ago, she was seemingly shocked. What happen is that during the Meditative State of my empowerment, she unawarely accidentally Astral Projected out into a Portal that i opened due to the Energy i raised for the Empowerment & she got lost in the Astral Realm. You see if she didn't get back in time, probably Doctor will deduced that she is in a comatose or some cerebral Disorder or malfunction. There is always a risk in whatever practice but the effect can be very individual.
Well I am afriad Singapore do not have such kind of websites of any validity. Thanks for your reply.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
a friend of mine actually did it on his own... the astral projection.. it was successful.
while me.. i jus got some premonitions... precognitive dreams on occasions. it jus comes to me naturally. serves no purpose though, i cant stop them from happening ( its all disasters and bad things...) -
Merry Meet Elektra,Originally posted by elektra:a friend of mine actually did it on his own... the astral projection.. it was successful.
while me.. i jus got some premonitions... precognitive dreams on occasions. it jus comes to me naturally. serves no purpose though, i cant stop them from happening ( its all disasters and bad things...)
Care to elaborate more on his successful Astral Projection?
Well Intuition is a gift, in your description its probably more of a Deja vu visions rather than others i feel...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Actually, I should thank you for your replies, they have been very informative and have made me aware that having half-baked knowledge of any subject is dangerous.
Well I am afriad Singapore do not have such kind of websites of any validity. Thanks for your reply.
Just, that I grow tired of the limitations of the human body. Evolutionists claim that in the very very far far distant future human will evolve into beings of pure energy(electrical). Astral projection is perhaps a foretaste of that.
Of, course I have a very childish reason for wanting to astral project, want to see all those beautiful things astral projecters always see.
As, for OBE, it would be so I can explore this whole world without paying for air fare(I doubt, I'll ever be able to see the whole world).
Lastly, the subject I focus most on right now is Lucid dreaming, I just want to go back to the days of my childhood where I could do it. Its a shiok experince everyone should get to feel at least once. -
well.. i think i remember he told me that he lie down, relax himself, concentrate on his breathing, then later he felt like he floated out of his body... overlooking alot of things ... it was like there werent any walls, no barriers, he could travel around, anywhere 360degree. it wasnt like he's looking from a view point, but in a 360 degree angle kind... and when he woke up he felt refreshed, and a few hours had passed even though he felt like he had an experience of jus a few minutes
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sorry guys, i jus realised that i signed in a different user totally by accident!
elektra is me, and i'm elektra, i jus realised that i joined this forum a long time ago... dont remember doing that in 2002 though... lolz -
Merry Meet plo30360,Originally posted by plo30360:Actually, I should thank you for your replies, they have been very informative and have made me aware that having half-baked knowledge of any subject is dangerous.
Just, that I grow tired of the limitations of the human body. Evolutionists claim that in the very very far far distant future human will evolve into beings of pure energy(electrical). Astral projection is perhaps a foretaste of that.
Of, course I have a very childish reason for wanting to astral project, want to see all those beautiful things astral projecters always see.
As, for OBE, it would be so I can explore this whole world without paying for air fare(I doubt, I'll ever be able to see the whole world).
Lastly, the subject I focus most on right now is Lucid dreaming, I just want to go back to the days of my childhood where I could do it. Its a shiok experince everyone should get to feel at least once.
Its ok you are most welcome. Actually Astral Projection can be considered an Ancient Mystic Art, Even certain Aspect of Magick can be explained in the perspective of Science.
Astral Realms are not always beautiful but can be dangerous too especially Entities & Creatures there so must bewary ye.
Do you know Lucid dreaming can be achieved through practice of Dream Magick? Its definitely shiok when everything is under your control.
Thanks for your reply & interest. Make yourself at home, hope to see more of your sharing with us in here.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
I've tried lucid dreaming... but admittedly it is most successful when i least expect it. i do have to say it appears vital to have a very very clear and empty mind to focus before u sleep... helps me become lucid when i dream... but i hate it sometimes when i lose control halfway...... sienzz...
my fave thing to do during a lucid dream? fly... superman style... just fly!! -
well.... lucid dreaming seems like quite an attainable goal after talking to a fren...shall find out more from him n post here if i can...
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Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:I've tried lucid dreaming... but admittedly it is most successful when i least expect it. i do have to say it appears vital to have a very very clear and empty mind to focus before u sleep... helps me become lucid when i dream... but i hate it sometimes when i lose control halfway...... sienzz...
my fave thing to do during a lucid dream? fly... superman style... just fly!!
Maybe one day you will fly free like a bird!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
I hold on fast to that dream, you know... even at the times where everything else seemed to be going pear shaped... i have never stopped believing in this dream...
[b]Merry Meet KFDugong,
Maybe one day you will fly free like a bird!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
for now, the occasional dream (lucid or not) where i do get to fly are good enough..!