JOIN US FOR OUTING ONE DAYOriginally posted by harryryan:i dunno y pple r so interested in meeting e devil.....
PRECISELY. Nobody can. It's already an established philosophical 'fault' even with logic.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Of course not. But can you prove that 'they' are lying?
I know what you are driving at.
Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:in an age where increasingly, people are losing their faith in god, they look to the other side to see if the grass is greener.
hence the sudden rise of interest amongst people in satanism and devil worship.
.........Originally posted by Devil1976:JOIN US FOR OUTING ONE DAY
Originally posted by OCEANOS:retro and satanism.
[b]Merry Meet KFDugong,
Perhaps Retro is in now, Locally Satanic Cults were very active & popular in the Late 80s & Early 90s although it has been around for a long time globally, again its a personal choice...
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
Afros are cute...Originally posted by HENG@:retro and satanism.
suddenly i got a vision of men with afros having orgies. very very disturbing. especially the afros. big afros.
Originally posted by Nelstar:Afros are cute...
Especially those guys with afros, jeans and moustache...
Lol, then maybe we can say God knows.Originally posted by Devil1976:PRECISELY. Nobody can. It's already an established philosophical 'fault' even with logic.
Now this is an interesting bit of info. It is still Christian-Centric, which tends to be the case in most Satanic discourses. Its almost as if, Hindus, Muslims and so on had no Satanic cults to contend with.Originally posted by Nelstar:Read the dead sea scrolls for more information about Lucifer and his sons who walked with us, yes, they mingled with us, are around us and probably had his blood tainted in yours.
If you read the Christian Bible, you'll probably read about 'Giants'. These Giants are actually Titans, or fallen ones from 'Heaven' if you probably indulge in Jewish Bible.
Some of the satanic articles are interesting... especially on the deal between Devil and God. Please note that Hell does not originally belong to Satan. It was God's torture chamber for Satan
It goes something like this:
'God gave Satan the Earth, the Sky and Hell as Satan challenged God for the throne in heaven. God said, " You shall dwell in these places as you please while you watch over human, your denizens. You are not to touch their lives without their invitation as I would not interfere without their invitation as well. Remember that when Judgement day comes and all of your subjects as well as mine would be judged, and Heaven will be yours if you are right. If you're wrong, you'll return to hell and suffer for your mistakes eternally "
Another note is Satan is afraid of fire, he does not like fire at all. (Don't ask me why, it's easily understandable from the Christian Bible itself.)
(disclaimer: the above is quoted from memory and only for reference.)
Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:Hello Oceanos and everyone else of course.
I'm not really sure I can put it down to a plain retro kind of thing.
My personal feeling on the 70-80s spat of satanism in Singapore was down to initial worldwide momentum trickling down from Anton LaVey's setting up of the CoS in 1966. They probably had a few 'missionaries' come down here and some people picked up on it.
In short I think it was a fad.
Now, although it does not seem so prevalent in Singapore, it might be this that should be a matter of concern. See, the Satanic Bible doesn't actually say that Satanists should be out and about gaining publicity for no reason.
Their basis has always been about self aggrandizement, promoting and satisfying your own self. So for all we know, the little cultists are now smart enough to keep a low profile and going about their activities as we speak.
The stated information is from the Old Testament found in both Quran, and Christian Bible, and it also has links to Jewish Bible. Catholics used the same bible as Christians... That is 4-related religions. All 4 religions talked about the existence of Satan, and satanic bible is but related to these religions only. The other religions has little or no indication of a fallen angel named Satan/Lucifer. It's a bit high-handed to include religions like Hinduism, Taoism and other pagan faiths since, they never mentioned of such a figure.Originally posted by KFDugong:Now this is an interesting bit of info. It is still Christian-Centric, which tends to be the case in most Satanic discourses. Its almost as if, Hindus, Muslims and so on had no Satanic cults to contend with.
Does anyone have any info to share on this? Right now I'm amused that there is a preconception that you need to believe in aspects of Christianity (and only so) before you can even think about Satanism
i dun mean u lah...i mean e real devilOriginally posted by Devil1976:JOIN US FOR OUTING ONE DAY
Hey Nelstar...Originally posted by Nelstar:The stated information is from the Old Testament found in both Quran, and Christian Bible, and it also has links to Jewish Bible. Catholics used the same bible as Christians... That is 4-related religions. All 4 religions talked about the existence of Satan, and satanic bible is but related to these religions only. The other religions has little or no indication of a fallen angel named Satan/Lucifer. It's a bit high-handed to include religions like Hinduism, Taoism and other pagan faiths since, they never mentioned of such a figure.
If you dwell into topics like demons or devils outside one Devil, the area of focus is so large, I won't even bother.
Originally posted by OCEANOS:Well.... I think MacDonaldisation may have lost popular appeal but I wouldn't say its something that is no longer global. The culture is still there, its just facing stiffer competition. But I digress
[b]Merry Meet KFDugong,
Only Fad can be a Retro kind of thing. Just like Macdonaldisation was a global thing previously but at this present moment do you think its still the same? What i meant was Satanism was Popular & Active Locally in the late 80s & early 90s but none of my words indicated that there are no Satanists around here now who may be watching while we speak.
Underground Groups & Cults are around locally before even we were born but are they spoken of in any ways. There are many Covens Locally but do they last? Underground Group & Cult, a more established one Like The Coven of Cythrawl perhaps you heard of it, their Missionary & High Priest decided to make Singapore their headquarter but not long after due to some unforseen events they withdrawn from here.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
Much of these devils, demons, creatures, monsters are folklore meant to scare children.Originally posted by KFDugong:Hey Nelstar...
Hmm these 4 religions are interconnected, so its not much of a surprise, but I still notice that the discourse focuses more on the (anti) Christian aspect of Satanism.
The Satanic Bible though, actually takes into account quite a wide range of names of devils and/or devil creatures from a variety of faiths and religions, including Hinduism, Taoism, and even more obscure ones.
The funny thing about the book is that it gathers all these names into a neat, almost logical arrangement as subsumes it all under itself.
Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:Well.... I think MacDonaldisation may have lost popular appeal but I wouldn't say its something that is no longer global. The culture is still there, its just facing stiffer competition. But I digress
Yeah I agree with you, some parties may well be viewing this thread with some interest without our knowing.
Personally, I doubt a grotto could survive detection and purging in Singapore as we do have an efficient monitoring agencies working in the name of national security.
Maybe thats why the coven u mentioned (never heard, was not in Singapore at the time) had to leave eventually.
Haha but I think we are all aware that a more loosely organised group that acts in very sublime and hard to detect methods could be perpetuating these practices.
Originally posted by OCEANOS:really? yeah I guess singapore authorities wouldn't do anything drastic unless they had good reason to believe something was not right.
[b]Merry Meet KFDugong,
Well many are probably detected & under observation but as long as all is well no Actions will be taken.
The coven i mentioned did not last long here however they claimed are originated from a Mother Traditional Lineage of Gardnerian Tradition which started out in the mid 60s with active sub-groups located at different parts of the globe where by now is of a much electic practice. Thats all i know.
Maybe you will be amazed by some really intricated & well organised underground local groups around! Of coz a majority are of the calibre you mentioned however they are not even worth mentioning as any group organisation but maybe more of a study or tutorial group in my perspective.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
Merry Meet KFDugong,Originally posted by KFDugong:really? yeah I guess singapore authorities wouldn't do anything drastic unless they had good reason to believe something was not right.
i actually stumbled onto a webpage of the coven in which they explained to some extent why they left singapore eventually...
you are right, I would be amazed by an organisation that is at the same time loosely connected, but intricately well organised at the same time. However, I have learnt to be suspicious of some of the things i see...
the Satanic Bible is not available in singapore but there is way people own it ....Originally posted by Gackt247:Correct me if i'm wrong.. there r many deviant Satanist clans in this world.. apparently.. the true Church of Satan isnt as dark n "evil" as we usually perceive..
This religion juz encourages followers to indulge in their hedonistic lifestyles n fantasies n not be inhibited..
eg.. Satanism does not promote unlawful killing but if someone irritates or threatens u.. u r permitted to wipe him out mercilessly..
The very dark n sinister impression we have of satanism is due to the many wayward sects tt distort Satanism.. making it a blood religion associated with human sacrifices etc..
Anyway.. is the Satanic Bible available in sg?