Time for the next step??
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hi guys...juz thought i wld like to bring this matter up..from an outsider's point of view...
i think it has been said time and again about how Reds has grown as a team in terms of size, maturity, organisation, blah..blah..blah... of course Reds is still far from being a good team as there are still a lot of shortfalls and definitely lots of room for improvement, but at the same time gone were the days where Reds will get thrashed
5-0 week in week out..
with this in mind, is the team then ready to take part in tournaments and leagues?? the last time Reds had this discussion it was decided that the team was not ready..to be honest there are other teams out there that are not as organised nor as big in size as Reds but are still brave enough to take up the challenge...
So wat if you get thrashed in the tournament?? so wat if you are not good enough?? i always believe that you are not playing in tournaments becoz you are good but rather you are good becoz u played in tournaments and gain exposure..some of the players in the team are already in their late 20s, some already hitting the dreaded 30s...you can play social friendlies anytime, even when you are already in your 30s but to play competitively it helps if you play it while u are still young!!
pardon me for bringing this matter up again coz i noe that some, if not most, of the players are dying for some competitive action..wldn't it be a shame if all our efforts to put this team together are wasted juz on friendlies all year round?
i really hope people like boon, jem, chia, ian, bernard and the rest do give your sincere views on this coz it's no point agreeing to watever the managers decide yet you feel otherwise...at the end of the day we want to have fun playing and if you feel that playing in competitions is a lot more fun than mere friendlies, then do speak up...afterall, you can still play in a tournament during certain part of the year and for the rest of the year you can still have your friendlies...
Chao!!
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For me i would love to take part in a competitive tournment.Few reasons
-More exciting, chance to win back some prize money??
- Quality oppenents, we may or may not get thrashed.When we get thrashed , it is a good learning process. There is not much achievement in winning 5-6 goals against much inferior oppenents.
-Frankly we am not getting young too, fitness is going downhill by the years, better to take advantage of our fitness now.
-Less stress on the manager to fix matches, we can still play our social soccer if there is no competitive matches.
i cannot remember all the reasons cited the last time for our refusal to take part, but i think the rolling sub was mentioned.
is money a problem??This rollng sub problem if considered to be a problem should be brought up to all the team members as we still need to tackle tis problem sooner or later if we are going to take part in a tournment.
regarding the issue whether we are ready as a soccer team.A social soccer team like ours have reach a stage where improvement in standard is not going to come easy.As we have neither coaching nor training sessions.Dont think we can make much headway with our standard even in a year's time.And the fact that all of us have been playing soccer for a pretty long time , at our age now improving ourself individually is not going to be tat easy for us.
So if there is any tournment ,i would strongly urge the team to participate.It is never easy to satisfy everyone or get everyone agreement, so the next best thing is to follow the majority. If the decision make is a bad one in the end, the majority is to be blame. -
The first time we decided not to join the competition,i did not go against the idea because the first few games happened to coincide with the exam dates of the student players,i did not want to make a commitment that i couldn't fulfill.It was never in my mind that we were not ready for the tournament.How ready is ready anyway?What gives the impression that the teams participating are all going to be too tough to handle.
Now that the exams are over and done with and there shouldn't be any obstacles in our way,i strongly urge the team to compete in the next available tournament and we shall learn and improve from there.
If we are going to get trashed,then so be it,we can only get better with every beating,i believe the team has the potential to go further than just friendlies.
We still get our fair share of difficult opponents with thru lobang ref,so i dun see why we should be afraid to move up to a more competitive level.Trust me,its going to be almost the same,the opponents ain't going to break our legs just because of some Tenchi Cup right?! -
Maybe we may wanna try takg part in an wkend tourment 1st,,,,lik those fr morning till evng thingy?Originally posted by hav0line:The first time we decided not to join the competition,i did not go against the idea because the first few games happened to coincide with the exam dates of the student players,i did not want to make a commitment that i couldn't fulfill.It was never in my mind that we were not ready for the tournament.How ready is ready anyway?What gives the impression that the teams participating are all going to be too tough to handle.
Now that the exams are over and done with and there shouldn't be any obstacles in our way,i strongly urge the team to compete in the next available tournament and we shall learn and improve from there.
If we are going to get trashed,then so be it,we can only get better with every beating,i believe the team has the potential to go further than just friendlies.
We still get our fair share of difficult opponents with thru lobang ref,so i dun see why we should be afraid to move up to a more competitive level.Trust me,its going to be almost the same,the opponents ain't going to break our legs just because of some Tenchi Cup right?!
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The opponents may not break ours but Alfred may just break theirsOriginally posted by hav0line:The first time we decided not to join the competition,i did not go against the idea because the first few games happened to coincide with the exam dates of the student players,i did not want to make a commitment that i couldn't fulfill.It was never in my mind that we were not ready for the tournament.How ready is ready anyway?What gives the impression that the teams participating are all going to be too tough to handle.
Now that the exams are over and done with and there shouldn't be any obstacles in our way,i strongly urge the team to compete in the next available tournament and we shall learn and improve from there.
If we are going to get trashed,then so be it,we can only get better with every beating,i believe the team has the potential to go further than just friendlies.
We still get our fair share of difficult opponents with thru lobang ref,so i dun see why we should be afraid to move up to a more competitive level.Trust me,its going to be almost the same,the opponents ain't going to break our legs just because of some Tenchi Cup right?!
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I was for the idea too but my view is that we must all agree on certain issues before we take this step.
1. We are playing to win. If winning or losing doesn't matter and we are only going into it for fun, then I would suggest not as it won't be worth the extra money we will be paying to join the league.
2. As such, all must realise that some of us may not get to play, even if it is rolling sub. The management will have to decide who are the better ones and these will generally have far more playing time. Are we all prepared to make the trip down, gear up and may not see any playing time?
3. I know I am one of the weaker ones so for selfish reasons, can I suggest the following? I hope that if we do join a league, can we still have some training sessions during the weekdays so that at least people like me will still get to kick ball and hopefully improve enough to play for the team? -
hey guys...
been reading this site for some time already and i feel nows the time to add my two-cents worth...
i would really relish the opportunity to play competitve again because it's been a really long since i had the opportunity to play in a match where more than just pride is at stake.
dun get me wrong... i go into every match giving my all because i dun like to lose... but when the results really matter... maybe there will be the incentive for me to give 110% and maybe in the process improve even more!
i strongly believe that in the situation where we are forced to concentrate and play our best...the team will greatly benifit and improve.
if the only thing holding the team back is fear of losing...then let us use this fear to motivate ourselves and in the process improve not jus as individuals but as a team!
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bara, i dun noe why u keep putting yourself down like this..juz like all the other players in the team u do have your own strengths and weaknesses..i always believed that u are one of the few who plays intelligently and does not try to overdo things, but only lacking in physical fitness..which is why i did mention to robin in the last game to give u an extended playing time so that u can slowly improve your fitness.Originally posted by bara_cuda:I was for the idea too but my view is that we must all agree on certain issues before we take this step.
1. We are playing to win. If winning or losing doesn't matter and we are only going into it for fun, then I would suggest not as it won't be worth the extra money we will be paying to join the league.
2. As such, all must realise that some of us may not get to play, even if it is rolling sub. The management will have to decide who are the better ones and these will generally have far more playing time. Are we all prepared to make the trip down, gear up and may not see any playing time?
3. I know I am one of the weaker ones so for selfish reasons, can I suggest the following? I hope that if we do join a league, can we still have some training sessions during the weekdays so that at least people like me will still get to kick ball and hopefully improve enough to play for the team?
if u guys do decide to enter a tournament, for a first timer, it wld be wrong to play to be champions..u'll definitely need time to grow before u can even dream of winning any tournament..got to be realistic..the main objective of entering competitions is to gain exposure and to improve individually and as a team.
as to who gets to play, i dun see why we can't stick to our current selection system where everybody gets to play..
if my sources are correct, a few weeks back you guys did beat a team at marina which was playing in a league tournament..that proves something doesn't it? -
good to finally see u in here bernard..but with a name like "ahlians" it wld have helped if u had told us who u were!Originally posted by ahlians:hey guys...
been reading this site for some time already and i feel nows the time to add my two-cents worth...
i would really relish the opportunity to play competitve again because it's been a really long since i had the opportunity to play in a match where more than just pride is at stake.
dun get me wrong... i go into every match giving my all because i dun like to lose... but when the results really matter... maybe there will be the incentive for me to give 110% and maybe in the process improve even more!
i strongly believe that in the situation where we are forced to concentrate and play our best...the team will greatly benifit and improve.
if the only thing holding the team back is fear of losing...then let us use this fear to motivate ourselves and in the process improve not jus as individuals but as a team!
WE CAN DO IT!!
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Robin has asked me to inform you guys that his computer is down, thus you will not be seeing much of him in here for awhile.
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Guess there's lots of enthusiasm to join the league....
frankly, i was one of those who opposed to the league thingie during the last meeting.... from the earlier threads, i realised some have forgotten the reason dat we decided not to join....
here are some of the reasons back then and some of my own:
1: The younger players are facing exams back then and not sure if the dates of games will clash wif the exam dates + after we start working, some of us may be required to work on weekends sometimes and may not be able to play every sunday. uncertainty here will create disruptions in team selection for the fixtures
2: Some believe we are not gd enuff yet. ( me included, not becos i tink we will get thrashed, but we need more friendly games to build up to match fittness. Most players including the student players are not match fit enough to finish a game. Rowing subs was unsure.
3: for me: for those who are closer to me will knw dat i'm a basketball turned soccer player. i feel dat there's much room for improvement for my abilities and hence a less competitive environment can let me build up easier, as losing tuff competitive will make players lose morale more easily and give up as well. i tot of giving mysf 1 yr to brush up my basic skills to meet up the challenge.
4: not all players are hitting their peak. not all are happy wif their contribution. and not all welcome the stress at the competitive level. they prefer to play sunday soccer leisurely.
5: some of the players cant take defeat well. we are winning games now, so we can safely say the atmosphere is pretty gd. however whn we start losing games... fingers will be pointing ( naturally), conflicts will raise, friendship will sour.... these are human nature and every individual is different.
6: personally, u guys may feel dat i tink too much.... but .... look; the mgt did so much to put diz team 2gether. website, jersy, etc....
however, joining a league.... will hurt morale if we lose. nobody likes to lose. and feel pple will look at themselves. to be frank, its quite obvious dat some players are able to contribute more to the team than others. its quite impossible to keep up wif some of them. for (example, being a defender, i cant be as steady as charles or jem. my lack of dat will be punished by stronger opposition.) if they do, and feel dat they are responsible for the defeats, then they will lose confidence.... and hence with the frustration, will start to walk out of the team. friendship will sour, new players will be needed.... and soon, it will become a social team no more. the players in the team are young adults, not youngers like 18+, they wont be able to take much criticism whn they dun do well in a match. most of us hold much pride and have our individual way of thinking how soccer shld be played, such things will surface strongly whn the team becomes a team dat wants to win.
joining compeition will add make 1 wana work harder to win. inj will be more common. cramps, strained and sprain.... and imagine some of our players are big earners... they will wish less dat they get inj over soccer which may = less bucks earned.
a team dat wants to win... will very much differ from a team dat wants everyone to be hapi. we can say, we take defeat positively, but its always easier said than done. for eg, if we lose a match, shld we juz say... "ok we lost to a stronger opponent."? or we say... "midfield totally empty! wher was the defensive cover? why the defence playing wif the ball? ---the former will be too soft, but the later will most likely result in a rebuke, or kick off a finger pointing session.
guys i'm not trying to be a spoiler here.... juz wana let u guys see it in a diff perspective. every individual is diff, and the reason they are in diz team may be different as well. the mgt haf a headache to manage cohesivemess and competitiveness... i guess we shld be patient and accept the overall team's opinion, hence i believe the final decision does not lies with the mgt only.
when i first join the team, i was excited to achieve great things with the team, however, diz has landed me in frustrations. tdy, i've change my view.... i juz wana enjoy soccer wif the team.... and i've blended in much betta. if u ask me wat kind of team shld join the competition.... then i would say..... 1) a team dat has everybody understanding their own abilities and respecting each other and the mgt decision or comments totally! ( sounds impossible rite?) 2) players in the team can match another's ability more or less. (not possible for our team as well--- will result in finger pointing when we lose rite?) - unless we haf a non-playing reputated coach or manager....
Final decision: well, i'm not trying to sound contradicting here, i'm juz stating some facts.... we are all humans. we have character flaws. hence... we shld only join if all the players in the team agrees to it and not just the majority. i hope u guys understand wat i mean as i kinda sound quite confusing here.
i'm personally onz for the league, juz dat i haf the above concerns.
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i posted the earlier msg whn i was abt to fall aslp.... damn....
its really confusing... here i juz summarize it
*) its a diff choice between wanting to keep all hapi or winning
eg: there are occassions where scoreline is close. eg if we are down at 1-0, players who knws they cant contribute much will choose to be left out and allow the betta players to play. if such situations persist, these players will soon have little playing time and thus lose interest in playing for the team
eg: In another case; will all be hapi wif losing whn we persist to use the 20min rowing subs mtd even whn we are down by eg. a goal?
- in other words, go for the win or "give other's a chance since everyone paid for the field?"
hence if we are all prepared to lose or win respecting the fix 20min rowing subs policy of our team, then we are ready.
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Seems that joining the league once again a hot debate. Everyone would have their own character, own fair share of thinking. What Ian had mentioned was right. We should consider the teams' decision and not just majority.
Just don't forget what is our main objective forming this team. If we think we're moving a step furhter, then we should change our mind set. In fact, it's very difficult to please every players, have a fare share of playing time for everyone. So, for eg, last match, Ian injured just less than 5 mins into the game and left out for the whole match. Is he going to pay lesser or don't have to pay? The answer is no, obviously. We're a team. This's one of the criteria that we have to meet. In the tournament, we are going to pay an entry fee, if i'm not wrong, the field too. Some players might be left out for the whole match. Are you going to take it, feel unfair....?
There are lots more samll details to consider, like committment, integrity, sportmentship...... Lets discuss this with the whole team as found that not all participating here.
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Joining a league will definitely be something I wish for the team. However, i share the same sentiments as Ian and derrick. We are still not ready as a team.
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Wah ian u type damn long , read also take some time.But after reading your comments, need to say some stuffs
1) Our soccer team must take defeat and winning in a tournment the same as playing in a friendly match.Frankly when our team loses in a friendly, our morale is also affected.See no diff when taking part in a tournment in terms of winning and defeat
2) Most of the players have been playing soccer for quite long,. i don see myself improving my skill level without any professional help.The only thing that can be improve is fitness, playing another yr's of friendly matches will not improve our fitness.
I got to be rather blunt to say that there are pple in the team who are not improving their fitness after so many matches.It has got to do with oneself willingess to keep fit and a resonable diet.
Like what bara say, if we are going in a tournment to 'WIN' we are not in the right direction and not ready for it
if we want to take part in a tournment, we need to start preparing for it mentally and physically.
Main problem facing us mentally lies below
SCENARIO- if we are trailing with 25 mins to go, and there is a few subs out there that havent play the game.And the players left in the field are considered to be able to contribute more to the team at that moment, what should ROBIN do??
1)Substituting the subs in,
2)No subs in and the subs don play a single min and paid the money
think there is only 1 solution for our social team ,that is having the subs in
If there is anyone with the option 2 , there will always be a obstacle for us to join a tournment.For me like wat ian say i am prepared to lose and win with the sub policy!Therefore i am READY
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hi guys,
firstly i wld like to apologise if my initial post seems somewhat provocative..never was it my intention to cause any resentment within the team or to question the management's credibility.
the reason why i am constantly urging the team to enter a league is becoz i'm sure it will benefit us greatly in the long run..when i first joined the team i had great ideas and ambitions for the team, especially with robin at the helm. i knew i wasn't going to be satisfied juz playing social friendlies..
it's now almost a year since Reds was born, and i feel that joining a league is juz what we need to spice things up a little bit..juz to break that monotonous run of friendlies, friendlies and more friendlies..
i want to play in a league for the fun, excitement and more importantly the experience. why even think about how far we can go or whether we can win the tournament?! it definitely will take us a few tournaments/years before we can even think about finishing tops in any competition...which is why we need to start now before all of us become daddies...
i definitely think we are ready..not ready to win tournaments but rather, ready to take that next step and go competitive..
futsal and 7-a-side wld be options, but then again it's not exactly what we've been training for..
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err... can i say something? haf been out for action for so long so dunnoe if i can say something here. i kept reading the previous threads and i tot, wad the hack! juz post my thoughts here la... so dis my 2 cents worth.
wad used to be a kick abt at hcjc was being transformed to becum a makeshift team to the present REDS FC! all dis within a yr! cheers to the mgr, asst mgr and everyone who has contributed to dis success! as the team gets stronger wif the addition of more players, we haf come to dis present team of 20. games at home and away grounds haf seen us winning and losing.
now bac to de topic of whether we shld play in a league. my qus to all of ya is, will joining a league satisfy and fulfill the orginal aim of having fun, sweating it out on the field, shouting at each other to cover the empty space left by teammate who has wandered too far up, the usual jokes of who is fm School of Crossing, School of Heading, School of Ballooning???
wif most or in fact all the students graduating dis yr, im sure paying for the league games is not a prob but my point is. izzit worth paying money and u cannot joke ard anymore? being serious and breaking one's brain during work and studies is stressful enuff so why add more pressure to urself again when u haf to try to win games or in some cases trying to minise the goals conceded and lose wif pride? isnt dis paying $ to suffer?
i do agree tt playing in league will bring out the best in some players. dis is definately a plus point but in a league, games are bound to be more competitive and aggressive. injuries are inevitable. take mi for eg, wad i wanted was to haf a fun and hearty sun kicking ard wif ya guys but juz a tackle put mi out for so long! fcuk! it fills real bad to be sitting in front of the computer wk in wk out reading the reports of how wonderful the games had been. my point here is, izzit worth the risk of getting injured and out of action for tt competitive edge? ya guys may say it might be my bad luck tt i got dis injury but are you sure dis WILL NOT hap to ya AT ALL?
toking abt mgt prob now, rob and russ has undoublty done a great job making sure things run smoothly ( informing players, car pool, buying and sourcing for equipments ). playing in league will sure add on more things to their volunteered duties. is dis fair to em? solution might be to delegate out the duties other members of the team but qus here again, izzit worth the trouble?
nxt pt i wanna put across is trying to improve the standard of play in the team. as mentioned earlier, some says tt playing in league will inspire and motivate players to get better. den let mi put a qus across to all of ya. why do professional teams, sleague teams, clubs teams, school teams need training session? to get understanding and improve the standards, team spirit, and game play, aint i correct? are we able to do the same? improving fitness, skills can be done in trainings but are we able to afford the time? gf and wife, deadlines, overtime! rem, we are committed to all these bros!
if my facts are correct, there is a SIA team which used to play in a league and they did experience alot of probs like i mentioned abt. wadz more, they were formed much earlier den us!
dis are some pts which i tot ya guys wud wanna consider b4 making a decision. i'm not trying to discourage ya all fm join but i seriously think tt alot of things haf to be done b4 the final decison were to be made. may i suggest tt if the idea of joining a league is seriously in consideration, why not get the team to seriously sit down to discuss over it? something like an AGM? anyway, we are fast approaching 1yr old liao ma! gee.....
dis are some pts that i tot of.... there are a couple more but i dunnoe how to put em in words. english not powerful enuff.
will try to sort em out b4 posting em again! heehee...
till den,
cherios!~
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hi chester...good to hear from u again...
u've made a few gd points but there's a few things i'd like to highlight..(once again i apologise if i'm a bit blunt with my words coz as most of u wld noe by now i like to be very honest with my opinions).
first of all, i think a lot of us are overthinking this issue. i'm not suggesting we enter the NFL or the S-League..all that i'm suggesting is we take part in some amateur leagues, opened to social teams like ourselves. guys, have a little confidence in urselves..u are not as weak as u think u are. we are gelling quite nicely as a team and we do have a number of good players around.
as for "fun", we can still have "fun" even if we are playing in a competition rite? we can still joke around after the game but when we play, we play hard. after all, even when playing all these sunday friendlies, we still put in 100% and i have yet to see players joking and clowning around when they are on the field (unless u want to incur the wrath of our no. 7!! ).
like boon pointed out, being in a league if anything, will help ease the managers' work where arranging for opponents, pitches, etc are concerned.
injury wise, it's all part of football or any other sport for that matter isn't it? one of my close friends broke his arm playing ball with me on our neighbourhood court, yet when he played in the s-league he didn't even get such an injury! u dun need to be in competitions to get injured..ian and chester can testify to that..
i agree with boon in that we shld juz join the league and see what happens..we won't noe unless we actually do it rite? we dun have to do things any differently..we can remain status-quo with our current playing style, rotation system,etc...the only difference is that our games are arranged in a competition format.
the only question we need to ask ourselves is what are our long-term goals for Reds. if we are all contented to stick with our sunday friendlies for the next 10 years, then so be it..we shall not bring up the issue of leagues and tournaments anymore. but if we do have ambitions to be a competitive team, then we have to start now..that's the point i'm trying to make here.
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Yo ... boon and kai, u see, like i said, everyone haf diff idea of how the game should be played and where their ambition on the team is.
i posted dat long piece of nonsense is basically to pt dat out.
watever u guys says do make sense, but so do the other's as all do not necessary see things the same way.
i'm onz wif the league thingy... but i'm playing the neutral here to surface some of the concerns for those who disagree to the league and hasn't spoke up here.
I tink the most simple compromise for the whole thingie is.....
fixed 20 min rolling sub is accepted by all and we set 1st priority = play to be happy 2nd priority = play to win.
which implies, we will get tougher opponents, better field, probably betta ref, and also enjoy the game in the relax mood and minus unhappiness over losing, possible feud over fighting for places/favouritism, risking of injuries, playing time.
which means the same situation as in playing the friendlies with juz dat we are in a league.
wat do u guys tink? will it work for us?
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yoz ian....Originally posted by Max_Velocity78:Yo ... boon and kai, u see, like i said, everyone haf diff idea of how the game should be played and where their ambition on the team is.
i posted dat long piece of nonsense is basically to pt dat out.
watever u guys says do make sense, but so do the other's as all do not necessary see things the same way.
i'm onz wif the league thingy... but i'm playing the neutral here to surface some of the concerns for those who disagree to the league and hasn't spoke up here.
I tink the most simple compromise for the whole thingie is.....
fixed 20 min rolling sub is accepted by all and we set 1st priority = play to be happy 2nd priority = play to win.
which implies, we will get tougher opponents, better field, probably betta ref, and also enjoy the game in the relax mood and minus unhappiness over losing, possible feud over fighting for places/favouritism, risking of injuries, playing time.
which means the same situation as in playing the friendlies with juz dat we are in a league.
wat do u guys tink? will it work for us?
i tink it may be workable.....
i like wad u said abt the priority thingy... play to be happy and play to win.... i add somemore in... "play to be happy" and "happy to play wif the team"! ttz the main aim of starting dis team!!
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After all the comments,i guess we should only join a social league if nothing changes,etc..each players playing time....money paid for ref and field.....what matters most is that everyone in the team is happy,so there you have it.Long live Reds FC!!!!!
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Hey guys... i tink diz shld be betta settled whn we gather all the guys after a sunday game. get the consensus of call again.
cos no pt wasting time toking all abt it here while anr half of the team actually doesnt speaks up or even dun logged in here.
we can do it all in 1 shot... 2gether wif the 7-a-side thingie which ah boon suggested in anr thread....
wat do u guys tink?
but of cos ... some1 haf to bring it out during the sunday game la!
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Err... actually we did talk about it last Sunday, will update you accordingly.... hehehe...Originally posted by Max_Velocity78:Hey guys... i tink diz shld be betta settled whn we gather all the guys after a sunday game. get the consensus of call again.
cos no pt wasting time toking all abt it here while anr half of the team actually doesnt speaks up or even dun logged in here.
we can do it all in 1 shot... 2gether wif the 7-a-side thingie which ah boon suggested in anr thread....
wat do u guys tink?
but of cos ... some1 haf to bring it out during the sunday game la!
wat do u guys think?
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Anyway, I would also like to urge all players to bring forth any views or suggestions they have after matches. There need not be a fixed agenda for suggestions or opinions to surface... [/b][/quote]
Sorry guys, I have to admit that I had a very poor game yesterday. Hope to improve in this coming Sunday game.
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Sorry guys, I have to admit that I had a very poor game yesterday. Hope to improve in this coming Sunday game.Originally posted by Predator:Anyway, I would also like to urge all players to bring forth any views or suggestions they have after matches. There need not be a fixed agenda for suggestions or opinions to surface... [/b][/quote]Hey, no need for apologies man... like that I also have to apologise for all the laughable games that I have been playing previously...