Originally posted by SMB128B:You're taking things to the extreme. Nobody said that ppl will purposely avoid buses without a PIS or USB charging. But ppl will certainly appreciate it when they have these things.
I'm tired of ppl saying a bus is just a bus. We're not saying we can't live without it. But if there is an OPTION for it i.e. stop buying SBST spec and start buying more A95 etc, then we shouldn't use the excuse of settling for the lesser by comparing with the minimal.
Besides by your logic, why are we even procuring European bus models? Won't PRC buses do the job too? Or better still, bangla buses without aircon and has bamboo seats? Bus what.
am i taking it to the extreme? no... i tot you are the one who are taking to the extreme by bashing those citaro/B9.....
will pax appreciate these PIS/USB ports or some other fancy items in the buses? dun think so.. it is not a necessity..... do not need these fancy items to push up the bus fares... maybe some tourist need the PIS.. but really is it useful? how many paxes bother to see the PIS inside SMRT buses when it put "Opposite Blk 214 market" what on earth is this? which road?
as for SBST spec, these are old purchases. not sure why you keep on complaining on this?
well, maybe you will see MIC buses or made in india buses in the coming futures. who know? with LTA doing the purchasing, anything is possible esp if they are doing competitive bidding. (right now, it seem like they are not really in doing competitive bidding for those A95orders) .but for the upcoming electric/hybrid buses trial, dun be surprise to see MIC buses...
Originally posted by wsy1234:So the sbsT mechanic only know how to service volvo and citaro buses?? wow that very poor knowledge of bus/ vehicle repair/maintenance. maybe sbst should get someone from hong kong who work for KMB to service the rojak fleet of bus if LTA decide to mix the type of buses up
Those who says SBST technicians has no knowledge of servicing various type of buses then you're wrong.You all seem to forgotten that SBST used to buy various of bus types in the past.Its just they have massive fleets and keeping to just 3 models is cost-effective.Why i say A95 spread around?Because i feel this model will be the next mainstream model after B9TL.To be honest,TTS maintain those E500 way better than SMRT.GAS seem to be more interested on the electric/hybrid buses than those A95 because electric buses play a part for their UK operations.
By the way SG5705 & SG5706 doing test run @ West area
B9TL had stopped production n replaced by euro 6 b8l. HK bus opreators had started ordering this model besides KMB by now. Hopefully a95 is the mainstram model. I think they are slighly more solid than the formers.
As for hybrid and electric buses, it works better in places with 4 seasons rather than here. To my opinion
Originally posted by A22 fan:B9TL had stopped production n replaced by euro 6 b8l. HK bus opreators had started ordering this model besides KMB by now. Hopefully a95 is the mainstram model. I think they are slighly more solid than the formers.
As for hybrid and electric buses, it works better in places with 4 seasons rather than here. To my opinion
Euro VI still got a long way,What i can think of yes the Volvo B8L & MB Citaro C2.
Thats it if LTA decided to retired all those Volvo B10TL,Volvo B9TL CDGE,Dennis Trident & the Volvo B10BLE.If they kee siao and really keen about emissions then those Euro IV K230UB also in trouble.
There is also Euro VI MAN A22 with 280/320hp option.
Originally posted by A22 fan:B9TL had stopped production n replaced by euro 6 b8l. HK bus opreators had started ordering this model besides KMB by now. Hopefully a95 is the mainstram model. I think they are slighly more solid than the formers.
As for hybrid and electric buses, it works better in places with 4 seasons rather than here. To my opinion
i was thinking about solar powered buses.
E500s aren't that bad as compared to B9TL, though SMRT Lances do not survive more than 10 years. A95 sure has many good points but are more expensive than others.
Originally posted by SMB145B:i was thinking about solar powered buses.
E500s aren't that bad as compared to B9TL, though SMRT Lances do not survive more than 10 years. A95 sure has many good points but are more expensive than others.
I thought E500 is almost the same price as the A95 ?E500 is considered CBU vs A95 CKD unit.
Originally posted by carbikebus:I thought E500 is almost the same price as the A95 ?E500 is considered CBU vs A95 CKD unit.
if so then opting for A95 is better and more value.
Originally posted by SMB145B:if so then opting for A95 is better and more value.
Haven't add the body assemble cost
Originally posted by carbikebus:Haven't add the body assemble cost
How many A95s compared to E500s? Bulk purchase?
E500 have 216 units while A95 213 units plus SMRT ones?
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Suppose all for smrt except sg5999. Batch 2 15 suppose to go to SMRT unless LTA changes it mind by passing a small number of them to other operators. Especially TTS since they hav proven that they maintained better than SMRT.
Originally posted by lemon1974:a minority dun care? you must be kidding also.. 3.8 million paxes took buses everyday.. so only a minority dun care about the bus types? all are concern about whether the buses have USB port/PIS or other features? to 99.9999% of the pax, a bus is a bus...
most of the paxes just wan the buses/trains to come on time and can board... so if the buses/trains that come does not have PIS, you dun board? or the bus come is old non-wab bus, you also dun board? maybe if you are a studend and have plenty of time after school, you can do that. but if you are working and rushing to work/going home, you will just be happy to be able to board the first bus/train that come...
The last generation of bus lobbyists back in 2010 lobbied day in day out for thousands of Citaros and B9TLs, whining about the K230UBs on the roads.
Now the current generation of bus lobbyists are lobbying day in day out for thousands of A22s and A95s, and whining about the Citaros and B9TLs on the roads.
The next generation of bus lobbyists by 2020 is going start lobbying day in day out for their very own shopping list, and whine about thousands of three-door A22s and A95s on the roads.
And please do not complain when you start paying $2 minimum bus fare next year to fund all of your adventures, and eventually $4.10 by 2020. Capital cost has got to come from somewhere...
Originally posted by sgbuses:The last generation of bus lobbyists back in 2010 lobbied day in day out for thousands of Citaros and B9TLs, whining about the K230UBs on the roads.
Now the current generation of bus lobbyists are lobbying day in day out for thousands of A22s and A95s, and whining about the Citaros and B9TLs on the roads.
The next generation of bus lobbyists by 2020 is going start lobbying day in day out for their very own shopping list, and whine about thousands of three-door A22s and A95s on the roads.
And please do not complain when you start paying $2 minimum bus fare next year to fund all of your adventures, and eventually $4.10 by 2020. Capital cost has got to come from somewhere...
Spending $500 on bus and trains? With rubbish frequencies? At least, the people at perth has options.
Originally posted by sgbuses:The last generation of bus lobbyists back in 2010 lobbied day in day out for thousands of Citaros and B9TLs, whining about the K230UBs on the roads.
Now the current generation of bus lobbyists are lobbying day in day out for thousands of A22s and A95s, and whining about the Citaros and B9TLs on the roads.
The next generation of bus lobbyists by 2020 is going start lobbying day in day out for their very own shopping list, and whine about thousands of three-door A22s and A95s on the roads.
And please do not complain when you start paying $2 minimum bus fare next year to fund all of your adventures, and eventually $4.10 by 2020. Capital cost has got to come from somewhere...
Hi mr sgbuses, yr 2020 to pay $4.10 minimum? Impossible la. 3 yrs to TRIPLE minimum fare? Unlikely lor. Now want to increase 20 cents people cry father cry mother already. Govt also handling out transport subsidies to certain group of people currently. Please do not try to frighten people off unnecessarily. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by sgbuses:The last generation of bus lobbyists back in 2010 lobbied day in day out for thousands of Citaros and B9TLs, whining about the K230UBs on the roads.
Now the current generation of bus lobbyists are lobbying day in day out for thousands of A22s and A95s, and whining about the Citaros and B9TLs on the roads.
The next generation of bus lobbyists by 2020 is going start lobbying day in day out for their very own shopping list, and whine about thousands of three-door A22s and A95s on the roads.
And please do not complain when you start paying $2 minimum bus fare next year to fund all of your adventures, and eventually $4.10 by 2020. Capital cost has got to come from somewhere...
no, you cannot make such a $2 minimum bus fare. Whether or not, fares must be "affordable". Anyway, oil prices were happy to be lowering down, so the bus fare will be lowered by 1 cent for students, 2 to 4 cents for adults and 2 cents for old man.
Students:70cents NS Men:80cents
Senior:$1.00 $1.20
Adults:$1.20 $1.60 $2.00 $2.40 $2.80 $3.20
I think you guys didn't get the point... He's talking about consequences of bus enthusiasts anyhow persuading authorities to mass purchase bus models based on their own preferences. Not about the extent of raising fares.
Originally posted by array88:I think you guys didn't get the point... He's talking about consequences of bus enthusiasts anyhow persuading authorities to mass purchase bus models based on their own preferences. Not about the extent of raising fares.
Hi mr array88, i understand that he is talking about consequences of bus enthusiasts own lobbying for preferred types of bus models. You should not put bus enthusiasts persuading authorities. Basically they do not really allow themselves to get controlled by bus enthusiasts.
We also note that the writer indicates the amount of minimum fares in his messages explicitly. Thus forumers can always use the amount as a gauge to respond due to the fact the bus fares are 3 times higher than current fares. Cheers. Thanks.
Well, i am lobbying for KUBs and E500s like those deployed in Penang. Unlikely that will drive the fares up, will it?
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr array88, i understand that he is talking about consequences of bus enthusiasts own lobbying for preferred types of bus models. You should not put bus enthusiasts persuading authorities. Basically they do not really allow themselves to get controlled by bus enthusiasts.
We also note that the writer indicates the amount of minimum fares in his messages explicitly. Thus forumers can always use the amount as a gauge to respond due to the fact the bus fares are 3 times higher than current fares. Cheers. Thanks.
I believe the original writer mentioned before that the last generation of bus enthusiasts kept writing to LTA/PTOs until both SBST and SMRT mass ordered Citaros...
Originally posted by array88:I believe the original writer mentioned before that the last generation of bus enthusiasts kept writing to LTA/PTOs until both SBST and SMRT mass ordered Citaros...
SMRT doesn't order any Citaro after their SMB ones.I believe those bus enthusiasts have close connections with several LTA staffs instead.Beside Mercedes-Benz,Volvo,ADL & MAN,Why don't they lobby Iveco and low floor Japanese buses instead?
Originally posted by carbikebus:SMRT doesn't order any Citaro after their SMB ones.I believe those bus enthusiasts have close connections with several LTA staffs instead.Beside Mercedes-Benz,Volvo,ADL & MAN,Why don't they lobby Iveco and low floor Japanese buses instead?
How about Scania ones? Or better still, Bonlucks.