Bukit panjang LRT revamp?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If we replace BP LRT system with buses, what happens to the existing LRT structure? This is something we need to evaluate when we consider alternative options.
Demolish. Duh.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr SMB128B, the last time I took for Bukit panjang LRT was before DTL came in operation. That time it was few people. Take note I was comparing against number of people at sengkang and Punggol LRT. Maybe that gives it a slightly tweaked impression. Thanks for highlighting that after DTL2, it was full of people. Cheers. Thanks.
Not true. BP LRT has high ridership even before DTL2. Lot of people from BPJ took it to CCK for MRT transfer.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, are you able to propose 3 routes to cover all the LRT stops and significant areas for bukit panjang LRT routes without affecting the other bus services currently operating around bukit panjang and cck? Should be chicken feed for you as you are the bus expert. Cheers. Thanks.
Yes I can propose, I am just not sure if LTA will consider given the LRT system.
921G/W
Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Jelubu Road >> Bukit Panjang Ring Road >> Fajar Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Bukit Panjang Ring Road
* This route covers the BPJ LRT system from BPJ to Ring road, covering all existing stops + more stops where buses ply today
986
CCK Interchange >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> Woodlands Road >> Petir Road >> Jelubu Road >> Bukit Panjang Road >> CCK Road >> CCK Way >> CCK Interchange
* Provides the LRT replacement between CCK MRT and BPJ MRT covering all the blocks along LRT along CCK Road/CCK Way
* Short route will ensure reliability
973
CCK Interchange >> CCK Dr >> KJE >> Woodlands Road >> Senja Way >> Senja Road (Blk 610) >> Bukit Panjang Ring Road >> Fajar Road >> Bukit Panjang Ring Road & back.
* Connects CCK MRT to BPJ town via express route of KPE for faster connectivity. similar to BPS1.
In addition,
I would propose 972 to be extended to CCK via CCK Road to connect BPJ town to ITE, CCK Road which does not have a direct service.
Also 700 should be extended to CCK via CCK Road, CCK Way, CCK Ave 1, CCK Ave 3, CCK Way, CCK Interchange to connect Keat Hong to CBD and resurrect the loading on 700.
These five changes can replace BP LRT totally!!
Thoughts?
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cant we just reintroduce the 34x feeder services instead? Furthermore your routes skip Saujana Rd which is the insider road at Fajar. That was where 345 used to loop
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343, 344 & 345 ran btw BP bus terminal to Petir Rd, BP Ring Rd & Saujana Rd respectively. We could re-use the routes & extend them to CCK.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
According to sgwiki, the former routes 343, 344 and 345 originate from Bukit Panjang Bus Terminal and loop at Petir Rd, Bt Panjang Ring Rd and Saujana Rd respectively.
We could re-introduce them and have all the Bukit Panjang feeder routes (including 920 & 922) run to Choa Chu Kang, while transplant some routes at CCK over to BP or elsewhere...
There's gotta be a revamp of bus networks in CCK and BP, if we wanna replace the BPLRT with buses.
BPJ so limited space leh the ITH
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The original aim of BPLRT was to connect BPJ to the nearest MRT station, which was CCK. Over the years, more MRT lines were added, the newest being DTL, which originates from BPJ. Theoretically, it would render BPLRT a white elephant as the suburb now has a direct train line to the city.
When the BPJ feeder routes were cut, there was a mini hue and cry, which led to Route 920 coming into being. Later, Route 970 partially restored the broken links caused by the axing of Route 5. But it left Margaret Drive with only Route 32 until SBST introduced Route 122.
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
cant we just reintroduce the 34x feeder services instead? Furthermore your routes skip Saujana Rd which is the insider road at Fajar. That was where 345 used to loop
Yes but LRT doesn't cover that today. The route suggestions are for LRT replacement. CCK-BPJ services cannot be feeder. Two different towns. BPJ internal is covered by feeder 921G/W
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There is always discussion that BPJ town is over-pampered, while CCK is not. I don't really think so.
If you see there are two major roads in BPJ that have many services, apart from that bulk of the flats are near ring road.
Bukit Panjang Road - 184, 187, 190, 700
Petir Road - 75, 171, 960, 963, 970
+ there is 176, 180, 983, 990 that touch just the junction of DTL2 MRT.
In terms of feeders there is 920, 922.
If you like at Senja, Segar, Fajar, Saujanya - there is only one trunk service 972 + LRT so I won't say the major part of BPJ is pampered.
Now let's look at CCK
Teck Whye - 190, 975, 985, 307, 308
Keat Hong/CCK West - 172, 300, 301, 308, 975, 983
CCK Way - 67, 188, 300, 301 + LRT
+ you have 302/307 at CCK to Yew Tee and 925/927 to Sungei Kadut/Mandai.
In addition at Phoenix you have 160, 180, 187
So I don't really know why people insist that BPJ is more pampered than CCK when CCK has MRT + LRT + so many bus services just like BPJ.
In fact, BPJ has many services passing by whereas for CCK, most services originate here
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BCM need major revamp after Tampines North,Woodlands North,Woodleigh is ready.
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When Hillion Mall open, loading on BPLRT btw CCK & BP may fall, as BP ppl dun nid 2 go lot one. Maybe a new direct bus btw CCK & BP is enuf.
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
cant we just reintroduce the 34x feeder services instead? Furthermore your routes skip Saujana Rd which is the insider road at Fajar. That was where 345 used to loop
The routes of former Services 344 and 345 are more or less absorbed into the routes of current Services 920 and 922, so reintroducing them today will make them quite redundant instead.
I understand that several sectors of Bt Panjang Ring Rd had not been served by any bus services since the withdrawal of Services 344 and 345. However, I feel that introducing a new trunk service or amending an existing trunk service to serve stretches of Bt Panjang Ring Rd, including the sectors not served by bus services, may be a better option than introducing more feeder services to serve those sectors.
A resurrection of the former Service 179 may just be able to cater to that. An alternative option will be to restructure the existing Service BPS1 into a full day trunk service to provide the necessary connections between Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Panjang, since its existing passenger demand isn't ideal anyway.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Although now got Downtown Line, Bukit Panjang residents still take the BPLRT to Choa Chu Kang mainly because got lot one over there. When Hillion Mall opens next year, we can expect reduction of loading on BPLRT between CCK and BP, because Bukit Panjang residents won't go to lot one anymore.
By then, maybe a new bus route following BPLRT alignment is enough to replace the BPLRT, along with one or two new feeder routes at Bukit Panjang.
Yes.
Service 7 was extended to Bukit Batok West and ITE College West a few months ago like what TfL is doing. Bus service 7 will be extended to Choa Chu Kang only if the BPLRT is closed down for good.
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Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
Yes.
Service 7 was extended to Bukit Batok West and ITE College West a few months ago like what TfL is doing. Bus service 7 will be extended to Choa Chu Kang only if the BPLRT is closed down for good.
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Not in favour of extending JRL to Bukit Panjang though, or DTL to Choa Chu Kang. Cuz either way have to transfer 2x. (E.g. bus > JRL > NSL)
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Any recent updates?
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Any recent updates?
It was just a rumor or question I guess. I don't think there are plans to tear down the BPLRT system.
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Which other area need LRT as a backup transportation?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Which other area need LRT as a backup transportation?
I dont think LRT is a good system to have. It is very inflexible and cannot accommodate future developments, changes etc. Good to have a better/robust feeder network instead.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Any recent updates?
Parliament: Replacing Bukit Panjang LRT with bus-only transport system not feasible, says Khaw
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Which other area need LRT as a backup transportation?
There's a reason why Jurong Region Line is not planned as an LRT system, but a mini MRT line...
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Originally posted by array88:
If it is too problematic, they should replace with bus only system plying DDs for feeders/intratowns to reduce number of buses deployed. I don't think it is that non-feasible as he makes it sound.
The road network around BP Ring Road is quite okay.
What they will need is on urgent basis to change to bus only system is to expand CCK and have another terminal in BP town.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I dont think LRT is a good system to have. It is very inflexible and cannot accommodate future developments, changes etc. Good to have a better/robust feeder network instead.
Robust feeders meaning more buses,We don't want to see too many buses jammed up the roads..I dont mind trunk.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Robust feeders meaning more buses,We don't want to see too many buses jammed up the roads..I dont mind trunk.
Can't avoid nonetheless. Look at Punggol. They have to introduce so many feeders inspite of having LRT system.
What they would need to do is introduce DDs on the feeders like Boon Lay, Jurong East have done, and the feeder network is working v nicely.