Changi Airport Services
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How about they build an interchange on the open space with shuttle buses connecting to T1, 2, 3 and upcoming 4.
This way all buses will go to one interchange and will not have to undego security check and basements, while shuttle buses dedicated for terminals can just drop the passengers at end of departure bay.
This will save runtime for PTO buses and can get massive high capacity upgrades + reduce travel time for people as they will have mini bus shuttle at 04-05 min frequency to their designated terminal without going to all.
Just an idea. Thoughts?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
How about they build an interchange on the open space with shuttle buses connecting to T1, 2, 3 and upcoming 4.
This way all buses will go to one interchange and will not have to undego security check and basements, while shuttle buses dedicated for terminals can just drop the passengers at end of departure bay.
This will save runtime for PTO buses and can get massive high capacity upgrades + reduce travel time for people as they will have mini bus shuttle at 04-05 min frequency to their designated terminal without going to all.
Just an idea. Thoughts?
Having a shuttle bus to each terminal is about as bad an idea as the buses entering the terminal itself.
Forcing passengers to transfer and having to wait again and again, coupled with potential delays for buses and possible overcrowding, both on the roads and on the bus, are some of the practical consequences your idea is going to bring about.
Then there is the feasibility issue. Is it then worth it to operate such a large scale shuttle service, involving high fleet and labour requirements, without charging a single cent? Even if it is where are we gonna find it? You need to realise that the demand and flow for public buses in the terminals is CONSTANT and it's not like a periodic thing. Buses that are fixated to only carry a certain amount of passengers at fixed intervals are far from being the desirable move to take.
Tbh a centralised terminal shld really be centralised in location, with walkways that provides seamless and rapid connections to terminals the moment passengers leave the bus. It is far more economical for CAAS too. Now that the fools have forgone the chance to build a terminal inside the Jewel I am at least keeping my fingers crossed for a bus ter for T1-3 to be built on T1 CP or in front of the Jewel (a bit unlikely since it may ruin aesthetics), and another one in T5 that will also serve nearby T4. In the end buses only stop twice for 5 terminals.
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sv 38
Tampines Interchange
Tampines Ave 7
Tampines Ave 2
Simei Road
Simei St 1
Simei St 3
Simei St 4
Simei Road
Upper Changi Road East (3 stops)
PIE (exp)
Airport Boulevard
Changi Airport Terminal 2-1-3 & back
* Connect Simei (nearest town to airport) with direct bus service. Today people have to take train to Tanah Merah and change, and then take bus. Also in future will connect Simei town to DTL3 SUTD stop.
* sv 12 will connect Simei to Bedok South Road (no pax impacted). sv 12 has enough capacity to cover for sv 38
* sv 20 will call at two additional stops along Expo for those within Simei St 1-3-4 affected with direct connection to Expo. sv 20 will operate 10 full fleet DDs on weekdays and full SD fleet on weekends.
* sv 38 will maintain its fleet of 13 buses operating at 10 mins frequency
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HK airport may be not as unique as Changi but the transport infrastructure is way better than Changi..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
HK airport may be not as unique as Changi but the transport infrastructure is way better than Changi..
Yeah. That true. Charging HK33 for a trip to city... And around HK90 for the train to city.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
Yeah. That true. Charging HK33 for a trip to city... And around HK90 for the train to city.
I take Airport express then free shuttle K5 to my hotel
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
sv 38
Tampines Interchange
Tampines Ave 7
Tampines Ave 2
Simei Road
Simei St 1
Simei St 3
Simei St 4
Simei Road
Upper Changi Road East (3 stops)
PIE (exp)
Airport Boulevard
Changi Airport Terminal 2-1-3 & back
* Connect Simei (nearest town to airport) with direct bus service. Today people have to take train to Tanah Merah and change, and then take bus. Also in future will connect Simei town to DTL3 SUTD stop.
* sv 12 will connect Simei to Bedok South Road (no pax impacted). sv 12 has enough capacity to cover for sv 38
* sv 20 will call at two additional stops along Expo for those within Simei St 1-3-4 affected with direct connection to Expo. sv 20 will operate 10 full fleet DDs on weekdays and full SD fleet on weekends.
* sv 38 will maintain its fleet of 13 buses operating at 10 mins frequency
Do you understand how 38 was formed? It was formed by the merger of 220 and 290. Your plan will make passengers travelling in the former 220 portion worse off as they will be left with 229, which has a longer headway and takes a longer route (up to 10 mins longer) to Bedok interchange. 229 also has an later start time at the bus stops along Bedok South Rd of 30 mins, which will impact those who must rely on the first buses to get to work.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
Do you understand how 38 was formed? It was formed by the merger of 220 and 290. Your plan will make passengers travelling in the former 220 portion worse off as they will be left with 229, which has a longer headway and takes a longer route (up to 10 mins longer) to Bedok interchange. 229 also has an later start time at the bus stops along Bedok South Rd of 30 mins, which will impact those who must rely on the first buses to get to work.
Doesn't matter. Times have changed. 229 time can be adjusted. Please take 229 and then say if it is 10 mins longer. It is just 3 stops more and moreover people going to Bedok mall only take 38. Those going to MRT prefer take from Tanah Merah.
38 is just a duplicative service today and can be better utilized if connected to Upper Changi and airport. That's my take on it.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Doesn't matter. Times have changed. 229 time can be adjusted. Please take 229 and then say if it is 10 mins longer. It is just 3 stops more and moreover people going to Bedok mall only take 38. Those going to MRT prefer take from Tanah Merah.
38 is just a duplicative service today and can be better utilized if connected to Upper Changi and airport. That's my take on it.
Sure you say so. Many people take 38 to the bedok south area from bedok. You might think a 10 min different could be nothing, but people who frequent it would find it a bigger difference with a less direct connection to bedok central. Also bear in mind that bedok south area is heavily utilised by residents and students (Temasek JC). Imagine a full 229 everytime it would pass by that catchment, how could other passengers board at the subsequent stops? There a reason why that stretch of road is being served by routes that duplicate each other (47 and 12, 38 and 229) and i would dare say it is to relieve the passenger
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Originally posted by CZT:
Sure you say so. Many people take 38 to the bedok south area from bedok. You might think a 10 min different could be nothing, but people who frequent it would find it a bigger difference with a less direct connection to bedok central. Also bear in mind that bedok south area is heavily utilised by residents and students (Temasek JC). Imagine a full 229 everytime it would pass by that catchment, how could other passengers board at the subsequent stops? There a reason why that stretch of road is being served by routes that duplicate each other (47 and 12, 38 and 229) and i would dare say it is to relieve the passenger
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Having a shuttle bus to each terminal is about as bad an idea as the buses entering the terminal itself.
Forcing passengers to transfer and having to wait again and again, coupled with potential delays for buses and possible overcrowding, both on the roads and on the bus, are some of the practical consequences your idea is going to bring about.
Then there is the feasibility issue. Is it then worth it to operate such a large scale shuttle service, involving high fleet and labour requirements, without charging a single cent? Even if it is where are we gonna find it? You need to realise that the demand and flow for public buses in the terminals is CONSTANT and it's not like a periodic thing. Buses that are fixated to only carry a certain amount of passengers at fixed intervals are far from being the desirable move to take.
Tbh a centralised terminal shld really be centralised in location, with walkways that provides seamless and rapid connections to terminals the moment passengers leave the bus. It is far more economical for CAAS too. Now that the fools have forgone the chance to build a terminal inside the Jewel I am at least keeping my fingers crossed for a bus ter for T1-3 to be built on T1 CP or in front of the Jewel (a bit unlikely since it may ruin aesthetics), and another one in T5 that will also serve nearby T4. In the end buses only stop twice for 5 terminals.
In future given how access into T5 will be very different from access to T1-4 I think it would be better for all public bus services to simply serve T5, and then anyone who needs to get to T1-4 to take the Skytrain/shuttle bus from T5 instead. I don't see public buses serving all of T1-5 because the detours involved are significant, and given how T5 is the future "main" terminal of Changi Airport this would probably best serve a good majority of passengers.
In a sense it's like how the Changi Airport MRT station only directly serves T2 and T3, passengers going to T1 will have to take a Skytrain over from either of T2/T3. Sure it's a hassle, but this arrangement serves the majority of the passengers well; likewise this would extend to a central bus terminal at T5 too (benefiting most passengers while inconveniencing a minority ...)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Doesn't matter. Times have changed. 229 time can be adjusted. Please take 229 and then say if it is 10 mins longer. It is just 3 stops more and moreover people going to Bedok mall only take 38. Those going to MRT prefer take from Tanah Merah.
38 is just a duplicative service today and can be better utilized if connected to Upper Changi and airport. That's my take on it.
Times have changed, but routes haven't.229 (formerly 219) has always been there and 38 replaces 220 which was the preferred feeder route for Bedok South, and 229/219 has always been less preferred for Bedok South Residents over 220/38. Fun fact: The reason why the current 229 goes to Chai Chee is because there was an old terminal at Chai Chee.
Oh, and you don't think it takes 10 mins longer, but SBS e timetable says it takes 3 to 4 mins for 38 while it takes 9-15 mins for 229 to travel from Int to Panasonic bus stop. Comparing similar trips in the evening,
38:1733 Int, 1736 Panasonic, 3 mins
229: 1729 Int, 1744 Panasonic, 15 minsDifference: 12 mins.
Feeder needs are always more important than trunk needs, much less that of a niche route like those to the airport.
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Originally posted by orange28:
In future given how access into T5 will be very different from access to T1-4 I think it would be better for all public bus services to simply serve T5, and then anyone who needs to get to T1-4 to take the Skytrain/shuttle bus from T5 instead. I don't see public buses serving all of T1-5 because the detours involved are significant, and given how T5 is the future "main" terminal of Changi Airport this would probably best serve a good majority of passengers.
In a sense it's like how the Changi Airport MRT station only directly serves T2 and T3, passengers going to T1 will have to take a Skytrain over from either of T2/T3. Sure it's a hassle, but this arrangement serves the majority of the passengers well; likewise this would extend to a central bus terminal at T5 too (benefiting most passengers while inconveniencing a minority ...)
Sounds like a good idea, but not sure for the rest of us who are reading this as each of us has a different opinion. But then just to clarify again, is there skytrain connecting to T4? I don't think there will be when it opens next year, but was there like this plan to restructure the skytrain by the authorities?
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Heard frm someone that the skytrain between T3 & T2 is closed to make way for T4...so confirm have
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Originally posted by orange28:
In future given how access into T5 will be very different from access to T1-4 I think it would be better for all public bus services to simply serve T5, and then anyone who needs to get to T1-4 to take the Skytrain/shuttle bus from T5 instead. I don't see public buses serving all of T1-5 because the detours involved are significant, and given how T5 is the future "main" terminal of Changi Airport this would probably best serve a good majority of passengers.
In a sense it's like how the Changi Airport MRT station only directly serves T2 and T3, passengers going to T1 will have to take a Skytrain over from either of T2/T3. Sure it's a hassle, but this arrangement serves the majority of the passengers well; likewise this would extend to a central bus terminal at T5 too (benefiting most passengers while inconveniencing a minority ...)
Hi mr orange28, looks good but unlikely. It is not practical to expect everybody to go to T5 to switch to sky train or shuttle bus just to go to other terminals. Changi airport is a major gateway and each terminal is made to be self-sufficient. Traffic must be free-flowing and passengers should be able to get directly to terminals without the hassle of transferring repeatedly. Cheers. Thanks.
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The only way is to temporary close all basement and dig more deeper to allow double decker to ply,Dig extra 2m to play safe.So 27 & 858 doesn't need 30 over buses which will cause more congestion
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Heard frm someone that the skytrain between T3 & T2 is closed to make way for T4...so confirm have
They are closed for the construction of Project Jewel.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
The only way is to temporary close all basement and dig more deeper to allow double decker to ply,Dig extra 2m to play safe.So 27 & 858 doesn't need 30 over buses which will cause more congestion
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Suggestion for the bus service network lta said that cannot afford to provide the bus service
- Serangoon Int
- Serangoon Ave 2
- Upp Serangoon Rd
- Upp Aljunied Rd
- Aljunied Rd
- Merpati Rd
- Circuit Rd
- Circuit Link
- Ubi Ave 2
- Eunos Link
- Jln Eunos
- Sims ave east
- New upper changi rd
- upper changi rd east
- Xilia ave
- ECP (Express)
- Airport Blvd
– Airport Police Stn
– Bef Changi Airport PTB3 - PTB3 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB3 CG2 - PTB1 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB1 - PTB2 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB2 CG2
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Originally posted by Vampire77lim:
Suggestion for the bus service network lta said that cannot afford to provide the bus service
- Serangoon Int
- Serangoon Ave 2
- Upp Serangoon Rd
- Upp Aljunied Rd
- Aljunied Rd
- Merpati Rd
- Circuit Rd
- Circuit Link
- Ubi Ave 2
- Eunos Link
- Jln Eunos
- Sims ave east
- New upper changi rd
- upper changi rd east
- Xilia ave
- ECP (Express)
- Airport Blvd
– Airport Police Stn
– Bef Changi Airport PTB3 - PTB3 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB3 CG2 - PTB1 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB1 - PTB2 Basement
– Changi Airport PTB2 CG2
Hi mr vampire77lim, why is your fixation on eunos area? Is it your home area or workplace area? Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Having a shuttle bus to each terminal is about as bad an idea as the buses entering the terminal itself.
Forcing passengers to transfer and having to wait again and again, coupled with potential delays for buses and possible overcrowding, both on the roads and on the bus, are some of the practical consequences your idea is going to bring about.
Then there is the feasibility issue. Is it then worth it to operate such a large scale shuttle service, involving high fleet and labour requirements, without charging a single cent? Even if it is where are we gonna find it? You need to realise that the demand and flow for public buses in the terminals is CONSTANT and it's not like a periodic thing. Buses that are fixated to only carry a certain amount of passengers at fixed intervals are far from being the desirable move to take.
Tbh a centralised terminal shld really be centralised in location, with walkways that provides seamless and rapid connections to terminals the moment passengers leave the bus. It is far more economical for CAAS too. Now that the fools have forgone the chance to build a terminal inside the Jewel I am at least keeping my fingers crossed for a bus ter for T1-3 to be built on T1 CP or in front of the Jewel (a bit unlikely since it may ruin aesthetics), and another one in T5 that will also serve nearby T4. In the end buses only stop twice for 5 terminals.
Flat 50 cents fare for shuttle bus. Can be cheaper.
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If LTA really does that and massive capacity upgrade, SBST will have at least 100 excess SDs.
For SMRT, very good because those bendies can be used for the feeders. But f**k for using the bendies on trunks (176 in particular), instead of massive DD upgrade!
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LTA should have ask SMRT to scrap all those NWAB bendies for good and replace them with 30 A24s exclusively for their feeders and 858 only.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
LTA should have ask SMRT to scrap all those NWAB bendies for good and replace them with 30 A24s exclusively for their feeders and 858 only.
Then SMRT would not have enough HC buses. Better to scrap all except the Volgrens and the Batch 2 Habits.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Flat 50 cents fare for shuttle bus. Can be cheaper.
So now you are CHARGING passengers more for something they wouldnt otherwise have to pay? And all they got is more inconvenience??
Not gonna work bro. Best is just build a new ter...