No way. 967 ought to ply Jalan Kayu..I am not a regular commuter at JK, but again I have seen people transferring here given that 969 dosent come here as 858 is the only bus duplicating 969 from here
So what if 39 skips Jalan Kayu and affect commuters going to PSR? Force them to take 967/168 to TPE? No way man
Just saying
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB128B, let's look at things carefully before you make a fool of yourself. Who in the right mind will introduce both 1 and 507 having same route of SengKang interchange to changi airport? Note you remove 27 and 858 at TPE stop from airport and replace with either 967 and 507. So how does equation work out? Need me explain further?
By busanalyser concept, TPE stop left with 507. 967 totally skip TPE stop.
Currently, 27/34/858. Now left with 507/34. Can work? Let those logical people think it out. From 3 services squeeze to 2?
People who used to take 858 drop off at TPE stop to transfer to other services like 118 can no longer do so. Because 967 does not stop at TPE stop.
Now any reviews about your intitial thoughts? If no, I got nothing to say. Cheers. Thanks.
I thimk you are the fool...
1/507 refers to the DIFFERENCE in numbers... It is essentially one svc... I put it this way since there are disputes whether it should be Express... So there, you made a fool of yourself for not bothering to read.
Another evidence you not reading... There is another svc 108... This essentially covers the entire 27 sector, other than the Hougang - Airport journey which no one in the right mind would take... Maybe you do since you are exactly that
Regarding 27/34/858... This is the extreme minority who happens to live super near the TPE stops... And for this 3 down to 2 is more than enough... In fact if you ask me this isnt even a valid point to begin with, since majority will just wait for 858 only anyway...
And I ask you uh, who even bloody transfers from 858 to like say 118? Definitely not from the north to the east coz dozens of svc eg. 969 and 39 would've taken care of the needs of the majority... As for airport to Punggol there is the new 1/507...
See, we could never hold back coz of the small minority... By doing so we are forgoing the interests of many others... Is this the peogress that we want to see?
My reviews of my initial thoughts are clear, it's you who really need to read carefully... I bet you dont even know what the route of 1/507 is...
And if you still dont realise it now, I also got nothing to say about your ignorance... Consider either a brain or eye check...
Originally posted by SMB1368T:No way. 967 ought to ply Jalan Kayu..I am not a regular commuter at JK, but again I have seen people transferring here given that 969 dosent come here as 858 is the only bus duplicating 969 from here
So what if 39 skips Jalan Kayu and affect commuters going to PSR? Force them to take 967/168 to TPE? No way man
Just saying
Hi mr SMB1368T, that is the problem when people keep saying skip here skip there, keep streamlining the buses when in actual fact, population increase so much more, especially on the outskirts of Punggol and Seng Kang.
From current 27/34/858 (3 services) going to airport in different styles to only 34/507 (2 services) going to airport by their proposals. Moreover, 967 passes by and still skips TPE stop some more! Hey guys, population bloom leh. More and more people come to Singapore leh. How can still reduce bus services? Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB1368T, that is the problem when people keep saying skip here skip there, keep streamlining the buses when in actual fact, population increase so much more, especially on the outskirts of Punggol and Seng Kang.
From current 27/34/858 (3 services) going to airport in different styles to only 34/507 (2 services) going to airport by their proposals. Moreover, 967 passes by and still skips TPE stop some more! Hey guys, population bloom leh. More and more people come to Singapore leh. How can still reduce bus services? Cheers. Thanks.
Then increase freq lor...
Eh we are doing you northeast a favour leh... From jam packed 858 to much more spacious 1/507... This is like intro 2 svcs yknow. Somemore now with 108 instead of 27 DDs can finally be used... Isnt that a great move uh
Personally I have a way how to clean the mess but I would share it soon
Originally posted by SMB128B:I thimk you are the fool...
1/507 refers to the DIFFERENCE in numbers... It is essentially one svc... I put it this way since there are disputes whether it should be Express... So there, you made a fool of yourself for not bothering to read.
Another evidence you not reading... There is another svc 108... This essentially covers the entire 27 sector, other than the Hougang - Airport journey which no one in the right mind would take... Maybe you do since you are exactly that
Regarding 27/34/858... This is the extreme minority who happens to live super near the TPE stops... And for this 3 down to 2 is more than enough... In fact if you ask me this isnt even a valid point to begin with, since majority will just wait for 858 only anyway...
And I ask you uh, who even bloody transfers from 858 to like say 118? Definitely not from the north to the east coz dozens of svc eg. 969 and 39 would've taken care of the needs of the majority... As for airport to Punggol there is the new 1/507...
See, we could never hold back coz of the small minority... By doing so we are forgoing the interests of many others... Is this the peogress that we want to see?
My reviews of my initial thoughts are clear, it's you who really need to read carefully... I bet you dont even know what the route of 1/507 is...
And if you still dont realise it now, I also got nothing to say about your ignorance... Consider either a brain or eye check...
Hi mr SMB128B, let's be subjective.
Service 108 I did read. But no purpose at all. Hougang to airport sector is much needed. Why cut it up and make people transfer? Why? What is the purpose? Provide alternative to people is to cut route up?
Service 27/34/858 doing ok. Why not a valid point? There are still many taking SBS 27 to airport from TPE stop. Why you keep assuming nobody take? They preferred 858 but still many hopped on to 27.
It is not because of the small minority that is holding people back. The transport planners need to consider everybody needs (majority and all) and balance it with the most optimum resources it will need. Or else you will see most buses to airport on express modes. Now it tends to bring most parts of the singaporeans houses to airport instead of express.
What I am reviewing the situation is my frank thoughts. No need for harsh words whatsoever. Anyway we are all giving opinions from each point of view. Keep it going, pal. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Then increase freq lor...
Eh we are doing you northeast a favour leh... From jam packed 858 to much more spacious 1/507... This is like intro 2 svcs yknow. Somemore now with 108 instead of 27 DDs can finally be used... Isnt that a great move uh
Hi mr SMB128B, I understand your good intentions and I know I will benefit if such things get materialized. I also take the jammed packed 858/969 in morning and evening before and I know the feeling of standing and squeezing all the way! Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB128B, let's be subjective.
Service 108 I did read. But no purpose at all. Hougang to airport sector is much needed. Why cut it up and make people transfer? Why? What is the purpose? Provide alternative to people is to cut route up?
Service 27/34/858 doing ok. Why not a valid point? There are still many taking SBS 27 to airport from TPE stop. Why you keep assuming nobody take? They preferred 858 but still many hopped on to 27.
It is not because of the small minority that is holding people back. The transport planners need to consider everybody needs (majority and all) and balance it with the most optimum resources it will need. Or else you will see most buses to airport on express modes. Now it tends to bring most parts of the singaporeans houses to airport instead of express.
What I am reviewing the situation is my frank thoughts. No need for harsh words whatsoever. Anyway we are all giving opinions from each point of view. Keep it going, pal. Cheers. Thanks.
Hougang to airport sector is minimal as the route is way too long. Dont be myopic — nobody takes the full route of 27 man. Some of them have the much faster 53, and others 27 to 858. So no, 27 HG to airport sector is virtually redundant, contrary to your claims.
Pertaining to people boarding 27 at TPE. The reaaon for this is 858 being so jam packed and sometimes delayed, which could be solved by 1/507, since it promises less packed buses and more reliable freq.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Hougang to airport sector is minimal as the route is way too long. Dont be myopic — nobody takes the full route of 27 man. Some of them have the much faster 53, and others 27 to 858. So no, 27 HG to airport sector is virtually redundant, contrary to your claims.
Pertaining to people boarding 27 at TPE. The reaaon for this is 858 being so jam packed and sometimes delayed, which could be solved by 1/507, since it promises less packed buses and more reliable freq.
Hi mr SMB128B, this means all those who have been traveling from hougang/buangkok/Sengkang to airport all these years on direct bus 27 are myopic. I am also myopic. LTA is also myopic. Only you are not myopic as you see full picture.
However lucky for all of us who are myopic, the current bus route in Singapore is as planned for all of us who are very myopic. Really very lucky for all of us that we have a direct sbs 27. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by lemon1974:But 967 is stopping at jalan kayu? LTA spend 25 million building the transfer bus stops at TPE, so die die must use lah. I think it is the most expensive pairs of bus stops in Singapore.
When I designed the route, I made 967 stop at Jalan Kayu because 858 does as well and is transfer point for Sengkang West / YCK Road residents to Changi Airport.
For TPE stop, since I proposed new service 1 from Sengkang going non-stop to Changi Airport after TPE stop, this connection is maintained.
Moreover TPE stop will have 39, 969 to Yishun, Chong Pang and 168 to Woodlands.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB128B, this means all those who have been traveling from hougang/buangkok/Sengkang to airport all these years on direct bus 27 are myopic. I am also myopic. LTA is also myopic. Only you are not myopic as you see full picture.
However lucky for all of us who are myopic, the current bus route in Singapore is as planned for all of us who are very myopic. Really very lucky for all of us that we have a direct sbs 27. Cheers. Thanks.
My friend... all those years you didnt have a choice because there was no TPE stop for transfer. Now there is 858 but it is already crowded and full when it comes from Yishun side to airport.
Hence, the Sengkang-Airport service I have proposed takes people from NEL to Airport in just 4 stops. I think they will love it and welcome the decision + it will relieve loading on 858 (which I also made express with 967).
Going by your logic, 201 should also not take the Jurong Townhall flyover but call at the two bus stops along AYE but it doesn't because the purpose of 201 is to bring people from Clementi to Penjuru/Teban Gardens faster.
27 will become 108 with full fleet DDs. I think people will love this as well. Anyway, I am not going to continue explaining to you because we have had many fights on your way of thinking on this topic before, but I still try to explain you, in case you want to have a more open mind on how this suggestion will be good for all.
Please no more new service passingby Jln Kayu,Waste time there siam those illegal park cars and the jams..
I like how routes are made to serve all Northern towns, but that means they operate like 966 where it is the only route and lots of squeezing around (if you are talking about full DDs thats a different story - but some roads are prone to jams)
888 - Follow 2010 858 route towards Yishun
858 - Back to its old route
889 - Sembawang to CGA via
Canberra Link/Street/Way
Yishun Ave 2
Lentor Ave
SLE/TPE (JK)
Airport Boulevard
85 - Woodlands to Punggol via
Woodlands Ave 7
Gambas Ave
Yishun Ave 7, 2
Normal route
Jalan Kayu*
*At this point onwards, passengers should alight here and board 117 from here so that 117 gets utilized well too
So how?
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There is a need for a new service from Sengkang-TPE-Airport supplement svc 858.
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:Can intro 27M(with DDs, and 858M.
27M: Hougang Ctrl Int--Tampines MRT—CGA
858M: Yishun Temp Int
- Will solve overcrowding on 27/858. Those at Yishun ang Seletar/Punggol Rd will have less packed buses.
- Sv 27 frequency will be reduced.
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Isn't there Svc 858B (Jln Kayu - CGA) already?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Services such as 24, 27 and 858 should be split as they are too winding and have long looping points that causes these services to be totally unreliable on their return leg.
I really hope they can launch a MRT parallel service for 858 to Changi Airport that could go as follows.
508
Woodlands Interchange
Admiralty MRT
Sembawang MRT
Chong Pang (Yishun Ave 5)
Yishun MRT
Khatib MRT
Seletar Circus
Changi Airport
507
Sengkang Interchange
Punggol Road
TPE Punggol
Changi Airport
* 27 will be Tampines Interchange <> Changi Airport for Tampines residents with SDs
* 108 will be launched to serve HCI <> Tampines Interchange with DDs
* 858 will be Woodlands Regional Interchange <> Yishun Ring Road (loop) with DDs
not practical
Originally posted by Ice Silver:SMRT Please reintroduce 989 back please from CCK - Changi Airport via Bukit Panjang if not CCK and Bukit Panjang resident will have a pain to get to Airport.
LTA call the shots now, not the individual bus operator.
it would better for LTA to introduce a service from AMK int to airport via amk Ave 3/CTE/TPE/sengkang (passby compass point) n then TPE to airport. Rather than introduce another service from the north.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:it would better for LTA to introduce a service from AMK int to airport via amk Ave 3/CTE/TPE/sengkang (passby compass point) n then TPE to airport. Rather than introduce another service from the north.
AMK Int already have 24.
Originally posted by p228:AMK Int already have 24.
U mean u will take 24 for 1 1/2 hr to go airport from amk?
I think they are proposing for more express buses mah. So no harm proposing one express one from amk.