Bus numbering system
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Personally, I feel like some routes can be numbered so that it meets other routes of the same numbers, if you know what I mean
For example, 111 is a complete oddball in the west and the city now. If it is not going back to its old route, it may be renumbered 90. Why?
1. Meets 92 & 97 along the way
2. 111 can be reused for a future northeast service
3. The old 90 can be renumbered as 144, as it is based at TPY along with other 14x services. It also meets 151 (1xx) & 94 (x4)
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So no 7 how?Bedok to Orchard only lor since there is no single digit service in the West.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
So no 7 how?Bedok to Orchard only lor since there is no single digit service in the West.
the closest svc 5 hits Tiong Bahru and Redhill. both of which are not considered west.
7should actually cut short.
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Lol 7 is the most direct n fastest bus to enter Orchard from the West to the East.
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Numbering is of no concern. You cannot have numbers coming from east and not going to west. That will be absurd. Also cannot cut short or break into two just because of numbers. This will never end. Cheers.
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one East to West connection needed to parallel the East West Line. That's enough. There is no need for so many long distance bus route. No one will ever ride from East to West and vice versa.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
one East to West connection needed to parallel the East West Line. That's enough. There is no need for so many long distance bus route. No one will ever ride from East to West and vice versa.
Hi mr smb145B, there are many long distance bus routes in the past. Some people travel 30% of a bus route, some people travel the other 70% of the bus route. Some travel 20%, some travel 45% of a route. This was made possible by the nature of the bus routes introduced in the early decades. Nowadays the new routes introduced do not allow this sort of commute anymore as they are basically very short in nature. Cheers. Thanks.
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Its not about who would probably stay in the bus the whole trip actually. Its about serving different groups of people area after area
If you had seen 858, different groups of people alight and board and different areas, for example from opp Sembawang Stn to Chong Pang. Its amazing how such a route can survive with moderate passenger loads in almost every bus even when its distance is super high
Its not about how long a route is. Its about how a bus is utilized for different uses
7 should actually remain as it forms a cluster of services (2 - 20) which all of them are based in the east
What I am talking about is services which dont make sense, for example services 40 - 49. All of them are based in the east, but 41 & 49 in the West? This got to be kidding me
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Its not about who would probably stay in the bus the whole trip actually. Its about serving different groups of people area after area
If you had seen 858, different groups of people alight and board and different areas, for example from opp Sembawang Stn to Chong Pang. Its amazing how such a route can survive with moderate passenger loads in almost every bus even when its distance is super high
Its not about how long a route is. Its about how a bus is utilized for different uses
7 should actually remain as it forms a cluster of services (2 - 20) which all of them are based in the east
What I am talking about is services which dont make sense, for example services 40 - 49. All of them are based in the east, but 41 & 49 in the West? This got to be kidding me
Hi mr smb1368T, you don't need to feel this way. Those additional numbers 41, 49 are introduced as BSEP much later on than the 40s series. By then, they do not feel any necessities to follow the need to restrict to west or east. With the contracting model implementation, it is going to be even more messy with each company to a different bus service number. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Its not about who would probably stay in the bus the whole trip actually. Its about serving different groups of people area after area
If you had seen 858, different groups of people alight and board and different areas, for example from opp Sembawang Stn to Chong Pang. Its amazing how such a route can survive with moderate passenger loads in almost every bus even when its distance is super high
Its not about how long a route is. Its about how a bus is utilized for different uses
7 should actually remain as it forms a cluster of services (2 - 20) which all of them are based in the east
What I am talking about is services which dont make sense, for example services 40 - 49. All of them are based in the east, but 41 & 49 in the West? This got to be kidding me
181 should renumbered to 244 lol. it is like a feeder to the JE ave 3 area and 181 shld give to 41 instead. 49 shld renumber to either 332 or 245
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182 => 259 (Joo Koon - Tuas South)
192 => 247 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
193 => 248 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
* All JIS services should be 24x and 25x
41 => 182 (Jurong East - Beauty World)... goes well with 183
49 => 245 (Jurong East - JW St 41/42)... goes well with 240/246 in Taman Jurong
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Hmm so who should I believe on numbering?
Actually if 41/49 are renumbered, they can also be renumbered as 150/152 as they meet 157 & 154 mah.. like that 150 should be 137 anyway
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
182 => 259 (Joo Koon - Tuas South)
192 => 247 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
193 => 248 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
* All JIS services should be 24x and 25x
41 => 182 (Jurong East - Beauty World)... goes well with 183
49 => 245 (Jurong East - JW St 41/42)... goes well with 240/246 in Taman Jurong
I agree with the decision to change 182, 192 and 193 to the 24X/25X series
Though I think 41 and 49 should remain as it is, 245 is a bit strange to me though as 49 is trunk (I'm not sure if 245 is JIS or Feeder, seems like a JIS number to me)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
182 => 259 (Joo Koon - Tuas South)
192 => 247 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
193 => 248 (Boon Lay - Tuas)
* All JIS services should be 24x and 25x
41 => 182 (Jurong East - Beauty World)... goes well with 183
49 => 245 (Jurong East - JW St 41/42)... goes well with 240/246 in Taman Jurong
My take.
1) 182 and 258 should have swapped numbers, given that the current 258 bears more similarity to 181 than the other JIS services.
2) 990, 941, 945, 947 may do well with new service numbers 340, 341, 345, 347.
3) Bt Panjang service numbers are a mess and would have been better organized if 700, 971E, 75, 184, 176, 177 become 971, 972E, 973, 974, 976 and 977 respectively.
4) 980 and 981 should get out of the 9xx regions when CCK services start occupying them. Probably to either 88x or 84x. Alternatively 980 can be renumbered 164 to follow 166 and 167.
5) 76 would made sense to be renumbered 71, for 70-74 all to serve in the NE and 71-74 to passby AMK.
6) 158 should be renumbered 108 such that all Serangoon trunks follow 10x, even if some 10x don't go to Serangoon.
7) 4xx should be open for new trunk services, such that new SBST/TTS/GAS services don't have to fight over 1, 44, (68), 71, 104, 108, 110, 114, 126, 127, 129, 137, 144, 146, 148, 149, 152, 164, 202-209.
8) 0 can be used on a circular loop service, with 0G and 0W denoting the direction of the loop.
9) Neither 995 nor 999 should be used as bus service numbers.
Then again, most of the stuff here are just our one-sided wishes that most likely won't be implemented anyway.
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Just like our route suggestions
147 should have been 164 too to meet other 16x services. All other 14x services are at TPY while this one is at Hougang although it might meet 143 on the way
As for 980, it can be renumbered as 880 to meet 882
I thought the route for 971E would have been different?
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It appears to be time for another history lesson with regards to how the bus numbering system evolved to its present state.
As part of the mass bus service reorganisation in April 1971, the bus numbering systems for STC and the 10 smaller Chinese bus companies were integrated into a new standardised and shared bus numbering system, which initially ran between 1 and 208.
0x (1 - 4): Changi Point (present day Changi Village; excluding 5 from Sungei Bedok)
1x (10 - 13): Bedok (present day Sungei Bedok)
2x (20 - 22): Opera Estate
3x (30 - 33): Changi Rd (near present day Siglap)
4x (40 - 46): Telok Kurau (excluding 45/46 from Kallang Park/Tg Rhu)
5x (50 - 52): Kaki Bukit/Eunos
6x (60 - 65): MacPherson Estate
7x (70 - 72): Geylang? (excluding 72 from S'goon Gardens)
8x (80 - 84): Tampines (present day Upper Changi)/Punggol
9x (90 - 95): Paya Lebar Airport (excluding 94 from Kolam Ayer)
10x (100 - 104): Serangoon Gardens Estate
11x (110 - 112): Hougang
12x (120 - 126): St. Michael's Estate
13x (130 - 131): Balestier
14x (140 - 149): Toa Payoh New Town
15x (150 - 159): Toa Payoh New Town (excluding 154 from MacPherson Est via TPY)
16x (160 - 166): Sembawang/Sembawang Hills Estate
17x (170 - 177): Queen St and mixture of western regions (Lim Chu Kang, Princess Elizabeth Estate, NU/NTI, Tuas Village, Jurong)
18x (180 - 182): Bukit Timah
19x (190 - 199): Mixture of western and southern regions (Delta, Ulu Pandan, Buona Vista, Bukit Timah, South Canal Rd, Bukit Merah, Jurong)
20x (200 - 208): Mixture of short trunk services in the western and southern regions (Bukit Timah (includes Toh Tuck Estate), Jurong, Kranji)When SBS was merged from the 3 bus operators in 1973, more bus services were introduced, which led to the introduction of more bus service series in the 1970s:
21x (210 - 219): Initially meant for any feeder service around the island since 1976
22x (220 - 229): Feeder buses based in Bedok New Town since 1976
23x (230 - 239): Feeder buses based in Toa Payoh New Town since 1976
24x (240 - 249): Industrial/residential feeder buses based in Jurong since 1977
25x (250 - 258): Industrial feeder buses based in Jurong Industrial Estate since 1978
26x (260 - 269): Feeder buses based in Ang Mo Kio New Town since 1978
27x (271 - 275): Feeder buses based in Bukit Merah New Town since 1979
28x (282 - 287): Feeder buses based in Clementi New Town since 1979
30x (301 - 308): Blue Arrow peak hour buses since 1975
40x (401 - 409): Special buses, usually operating on weekends/PHs only
45x (450): Special buses, usually operating on weekends/PHs onlyWhen TIBS commenced operations in 1983, more bus service series were introduced into the 1980s, along with more bus services series from the SBS:
TIBS series
80x (800 - 806): Feeder buses based in Yishun New Town since 1984
82x (825): Lentor Estate bus service since 1988
85x (850 - 859): Trunk buses based in Yishun New Town since 1985
90x (900 - 906): Feeder buses based in Woodlands New Town since 1985
92x (925 - 927): Special buses based in Woodlands New Town since 1986
95x (950 - 952): Trunk buses based in Woodlands New Town since 1989SBS series
29x (290 - 297): Feeder buses based in Tampines New Town since 1983
31x (312 - 318): Feeder buses based in Serangoon New Town since 1984
32x (321 - 329): Feeder buses based in Hougang New Town since 1982
33x (331 - 336): Feeder buses based in Jurong East New Town since 1983
34x (343 - 345): Feeder buses based in Bukit Panjang New Town between 1988 and 2000
35x (353): Feeder buses based in Bishan New Town between 1986 and 1988
36x (361 - 367): Feeder buses based in Bukit Batok New Town between 1985 and 2003
37x (372): Feeder buses based in Woodlands New Town between 1982 and 1996
38x (382 - 385): Feeder buses based in Eunos between 1986 and 2002
39x (390 - 395): Changi Airport bus servicesAs the 1990s arrived, more bus service series were rolled out by both SBS/TIBS:
41x (410): Initially meant for Townlink services in general in 1992; now limited to feeder buses based in Bishan New Town
50x (501 - 508): Express buses (SBS) since 1997
52x (520 - 521): Express buses (TIBS) since 1997
60x (602 - 608): City Shuttle buses since 1997
70x (700): RapidBus buses since 1998
81x (811 - 812): Intra-Town buses based in Yishun New Town since 1996
86x (860 - 866): Trunk buses based in Sengkang New Town between 1998 and 1999
91x (911 - 913): Intra-Town buses based in Woodlands New Town since 1996
96x (960 - 969): Trunk buses based in Woodlands New Town since 1996
98x (980 - 981): Trunk buses based in Sembawang New Town since 1998And finally, a few more bus service series only came out in the new millennium (2000s and 2010s):
51x (511 - 518): Express buses (SBS) since 2000
53x (530 - 539): Premium buses
54x (540 - 549): Premium buses
55x (550 - 559): Premium/CityShopper buses
56x (560 - 569): Premium buses
57x (570 - 579): CityShopper buses
58x (580 - 589): Premium/CityShopper buses
59x (590 - 599): Premium buses
71x (711 - 718): Jurong Island buses since 2000
76x (760 - 769): Premium buses
88x (882): Trunk buses based in Sembawang New Town since 2005
94x (941 - 947): Feeder buses based in Bukit Batok New Town since 2003
97x (970 - 979): Trunk buses based in Bukit Panjang New Town since 2000
99x (990): Trunk buses based in Bukit Batok New Town since 2014And now, the changes to the service coverage of bus services in different bus service series over the decades:
0x: Coverage extends to include Tampines, Pasir Ris, Bedok, Geylang
1x: Coverage evolves to Tampines, Geylang, Pasir Ris, Bedok, Eunos, Marine Parade, Pasir Ris
2x: Coverage evolves to Bedok, Geylang East, Pasir Ris, Tampines, Ang Mo Kio (excluding 27, which was extended to the northeast from 1999)
3x: Coverage evolves to Bedok, Tampines (excluding 34 and 36, which starts from the northeast [34] and serves Changi Airport)
4x: Coverage evolves to Kembangan, Upper East Coast (excluding 41 and 49, which starts from Jurong East)
5x: Coverage evolves to Bishan (with 51 retained and extended to the northeast from 1987)
6x: Coverage evolves to Eunos, Sims Place, Tampines, Bedok (excluding 62, which was extended to the northeast from 1989)
7x: Coverage evolves to Ang Mo Kio, Clementi, Jurong East (excluding 75, which was extended to the northwest from 1988)
8x: Coverage extends to Sengkang (excluding 88, which passes through Sengkang but starts from the east and central)
9x: Coverage evolves to Toa Payoh, Buona Vista, Ghim Moh, Eunos, Clementi, Jurong East
10x: Coverage extends to Hougang (excluding 106, which was cutback due to NEL)
11x: Coverage extends to Punggol (excluding 111, which was cutback due to NEL)
12x: Coverage extends to Outram (excluding 123, which was diverted southwards to Bukit Merah and 128, which operates from Ang Mo Kio)
13x: Coverage extends to Ang Mo Kio, Toa Payoh (excluding 134, which starts from Sims Pl and with 131 retained and extended into St. Michael's Estate)
14x: Coverage extends to Geylang (excluding 147, which was extended to the northeast progressively from 1983)
15x: Coverage extends to Hougang, Sengkang, Serangoon (excluding 150, which starts from Eunos and with 154 retained and extended to Eunos)
16x: Coverage extends to Woodlands, Ang Mo Kio, Hougang (excluding 160, which operates to Johor Bahru)
17x: Coverage extends to Yishun, Bukit Batok, Bukit Panjang, Clementi, Woodlands, Choa Chu Kang and Jurong West
18x: Coverage evolves to Jurong West, Jurong East, Bukit Panjang, St. Michael's Estate, Woodlands, Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Batok
19x: Coverage evolves to Bukit Panjang, Choa Chu Kang, Buona Vista, Jurong West, Queenstown, Marine Parade, Bedok and Bukit Merah
20x: Coverage evolves to Kent Ridge
21x: Series abolished in 1999
22x: Bedok
23x: Toa Payoh
24/25x: Jurong West/JIS
26x: Ang Mo Kio
27x: Bukit Merah
28x: Clementi
29x: Tampines
30x: Coverage evolves to feeder buses based in Choa Chu Kang New Town
31x: Serangoon
32x: Hougang
33x: Jurong East
34x: Series abolished and replaced with 92x in 2000
35x: Coverage evolves to feeder buses based in Pasir Ris New Town
36x: Series abolished and replaced with 94x in 2003
37x: Coverage evolves to feeder buses based in Sengkang New Town
38x: Coverage evolves to feeder buses based in Punggol New Town
39x: Series abolished in 1993
40x: Coverage evolves to most Parks buses in 2005; reverted back in 2009
41x: Bishan
50/51x: Express buses
52x: Coverage evolves to Premium buses
53/54/55/56/57/58/59x: Premium buses
60x: Series abolished in 2007
65/66x: City Direct buses
70x: Coverage evolves to trunk buses
71x: Jurong Island buses
80x: Yishun feeder buses
81x: Yishun Intra-Town buses
82x: Coverage extends to feeder buses based in Jln Kayu until 2001
85x: Coverage extends to Express buses based in Yishun New Town
86x: Coverage evolves to trunk buses based in Yishun New Town
90x: Woodlands feeder buses
91x: Woodlands Intra-Town buses
92x: Coverage extends to feeder buses based in Bukit Panjang New Town
94x: Bukit Batok feeder buses
95x: Series initially abolished in 1996; revived in 2004 for Woodlands trunk/Express buses
96x: Coverage extends to Express buses based in Woodlands New Town
97x: Coverage extends to Express buses based in Bukit Panjang New Town
98x: Coverage extends to trunk/Express buses based in Choa Chu Kang New Town
99x: Bukit Batok trunk buses -
A redesign of the entire bus network should be in order, which I have previously discussed at length.
I suspect this might happen when all the remaining negotiated bus routes are up for tender from 2022 onwards.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
My take.
1) 182 and 258 should have swapped numbers, given that the current 258 bears more similarity to 181 than the other JIS services.
2) 990, 941, 945, 947 may do well with new service numbers 340, 341, 345, 347.
3) Bt Panjang service numbers are a mess and would have been better organized if 700, 971E, 75, 184, 176, 177 become 971, 972E, 973, 974, 976 and 977 respectively.
4) 980 and 981 should get out of the 9xx regions when CCK services start occupying them. Probably to either 88x or 84x. Alternatively 980 can be renumbered 164 to follow 166 and 167.
5) 76 would made sense to be renumbered 71, for 70-74 all to serve in the NE and 71-74 to passby AMK.
6) 158 should be renumbered 108 such that all Serangoon trunks follow 10x, even if some 10x don't go to Serangoon.
7) 4xx should be open for new trunk services, such that new SBST/TTS/GAS services don't have to fight over 1, 44, (68), 71, 104, 108, 110, 114, 126, 127, 129, 137, 144, 146, 148, 149, 152, 164, 202-209.
8) 0 can be used on a circular loop service, with 0G and 0W denoting the direction of the loop.
9) Neither 995 nor 999 should be used as bus service numbers.
Then again, most of the stuff here are just our one-sided wishes that most likely won't be implemented anyway.
I was thinking of making 93 complete its loop from HarbourFront to Eunos via CBD.. And renumbering it 0.
