Route Suggestions (Part 7)
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Semi-route swap:
Service 102: Hougang - Yishun
- Hougang Int
- (current 102 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (skips Seletar Camp Gate stop)
- TPE (express)
- SLE (express)
- Lentor Ave
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Int
Service 85: Punggol - Bt Panjang
- Punggol Int
- (current 85 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (serves Seletar Camp Gate stops)
- TPE (express)
- CTE (express)
- SLE (express)
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Mandai Ave
- SLE (express)
- BKE (express)
- Bt Panjang Rd
- Bt Panjang ITH
Service 324: Hougang - Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Int
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Ave 7
- Upp Serangoon Cres
- Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Ave 7
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Int
Considering the development of the massive Punggol uptown, there may be a need for improved links across the north (i.e. NE-NW) in the future. Hougang Central gets link to Yishun via 102 (not counting 854, which is less convenient), while Sengkang - Yishun is preserved with 102 and Punggol - Yishun is still covered by 117 (though Punggol East residents will have to make a transfer via 85 --> 117, 85 --> 102 or 3 --> 39 / 858 / 969).
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68 Pasir Ris-Tampines(Loop)
Pasir Ris Dr 3
Pasir Ris Dr 8
Pasir Ris Dr 1
Pasir Ris Dr 12
Tampines Ave 10
Tampines Ave 9
Tampines Councourse
Tampines Central 1
Tampines Ave 4
Tampines Ave 1
Tampines Ave 8
Tampines Ave 3
Tampines Ave 4 back to Pasir Ris
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403 Changi Village Ter-Pasir Ris Park(Loop)
Changi Village Rd
Loyang Ave
Loyang Way--outside Loyang depot
Pasir Ris Dr 3
Pasir Ris Central
Pasir Ris Dr 1
Elias Rd
Pasir Ris Rd back to Changi V
Fleet of 6 Citaros
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960
Woodlands Interchange >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Road >> BPJ Road >> Jelubu Road >> Petir Road >> Pending Road >> BPJ Ring Road >> Fajar Road >> Segar Rd >> BPJ Ring Road >> BPJ Road >> Woodlands Road >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178. Provides direct connectivity to BPJ Ring road & Woodlands Road.
171
Yishun Interchange >> Mandai >> BKE >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Jelubu Road >> BPJ Road >> Upper Bukit Timah Road >> Old Jurong Road >> BBT East Ave 6 >> BBT East Ave 3 >> BBT Central >> BBT West Ave 3 >> BBT Road >> Jurong Townhall Road >> Jurong East Central >> Jurong Gateway Road >> Jurong East Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178 between Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Batok & Jurong East. Loop between Jurong East & Corporation covered by 49.
984
CCK Interchange >> CCK Ave 3 >> CCK Ave 1 >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Whitley Road >> Bukit Timah Road >> Rochor Road >> Ophir Road >> Victoria St >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* merger of 960 & 700. Provides additional connectivity between Keat Hong new town and CBD
178 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 960, 171 and 49
700 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 190, 972, 984
67
CCK Interchange >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> Upper Bukit Timah >> Bukit Timah >> Scotts Road >> Orchard Road >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* covers missing link of 171/700 between Bukit Timah and Orchard. 66 will continue to cover Little India/Bukit Timah sector
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Tampines Interchange >> current sv 67 route >> Rochor Canal Rd >> Dunearn Road >> Newton/Stevens MRT >> Stevens Road >> Scotts Road (Newton MRT) >> Bukit Timah Road >> Serangoon Road (continues)
* covers missing link of sv 67. Provides new connection to Scotts/Stevens from Little India/Geylang
All above changes will take care of missing links and not inconvenience current customers but offer more unique / direct connections, reducing duplication.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
960
Woodlands Interchange >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Road >> BPJ Road >> Jelubu Road >> Petir Road >> Pending Road >> BPJ Ring Road >> Fajar Road >> Segar Rd >> BPJ Ring Road >> BPJ Road >> Woodlands Road >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178. Provides direct connectivity to BPJ Ring road & Woodlands Road.
171
Yishun Interchange >> Mandai >> BKE >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Jelubu Road >> BPJ Road >> Upper Bukit Timah Road >> Old Jurong Road >> BBT East Ave 6 >> BBT East Ave 3 >> BBT Central >> BBT West Ave 3 >> BBT Road >> Jurong Townhall Road >> Jurong East Central >> Jurong Gateway Road >> Jurong East Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178 between Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Batok & Jurong East. Loop between Jurong East & Corporation covered by 49.
984
CCK Interchange >> CCK Ave 3 >> CCK Ave 1 >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Whitley Road >> Bukit Timah Road >> Rochor Road >> Ophir Road >> Victoria St >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* merger of 960 & 700. Provides additional connectivity between Keat Hong new town and CBD
178 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 960, 171 and 49
700 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 190, 972, 984
67
CCK Interchange >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> Upper Bukit Timah >> Bukit Timah >> Scotts Road >> Orchard Road >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* covers missing link of 171/700 between Bukit Timah and Orchard. 66 will continue to cover Little India/Bukit Timah sector
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Tampines Interchange >> current sv 67 route >> Rochor Canal Rd >> Dunearn Road >> Newton/Stevens MRT >> Stevens Road >> Scotts Road (Newton MRT) >> Bukit Timah Road >> Serangoon Road (continues)
* covers missing link of sv 67. Provides new connection to Scotts/Stevens from Little India/Geylang
All above changes will take care of missing links and not inconvenience current customers but offer more unique / direct connections, reducing duplication.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
960
Woodlands Interchange >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Road >> BPJ Road >> Jelubu Road >> Petir Road >> Pending Road >> BPJ Ring Road >> Fajar Road >> Segar Rd >> BPJ Ring Road >> BPJ Road >> Woodlands Road >> sv 178 route >> Woodlands Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178. Provides direct connectivity to BPJ Ring road & Woodlands Road.
171
Yishun Interchange >> Mandai >> BKE >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Jelubu Road >> BPJ Road >> Upper Bukit Timah Road >> Old Jurong Road >> BBT East Ave 6 >> BBT East Ave 3 >> BBT Central >> BBT West Ave 3 >> BBT Road >> Jurong Townhall Road >> Jurong East Central >> Jurong Gateway Road >> Jurong East Interchange
*compensates for missing link of 178 between Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Batok & Jurong East. Loop between Jurong East & Corporation covered by 49.
984
CCK Interchange >> CCK Ave 3 >> CCK Ave 1 >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> BPJ Road >> Pending Road >> Petir Road >> Whitley Road >> Bukit Timah Road >> Rochor Road >> Ophir Road >> Victoria St >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* merger of 960 & 700. Provides additional connectivity between Keat Hong new town and CBD
178 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 960, 171 and 49
700 - Withdrawn
* compensated by 190, 972, 984
67
CCK Interchange >> CCK Way >> CCK Road >> Upper Bukit Timah >> Bukit Timah >> Scotts Road >> Orchard Road >> Bras Basah Road >> Fullerton Road >> Robinson Road >> Shenton Way Terminal
* covers missing link of 171/700 between Bukit Timah and Orchard. 66 will continue to cover Little India/Bukit Timah sector
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Tampines Interchange >> current sv 67 route >> Rochor Canal Rd >> Dunearn Road >> Newton/Stevens MRT >> Stevens Road >> Scotts Road (Newton MRT) >> Bukit Timah Road >> Serangoon Road (continues)
* covers missing link of sv 67. Provides new connection to Scotts/Stevens from Little India/Geylang
All above changes will take care of missing links and not inconvenience current customers but offer more unique / direct connections, reducing duplication.
Essentially:
- - Current 67 covered by 1 (east section); 66 (Little India - Newton) and new 67 (west)
- - Current 178 covered by new 960 (WDL checkpoint - BPJ) and new 171 (BPJ - Jurong East)
- - Current 700 covered by 984 (BPJ - Newton & Shenton Way) and new 67 (Orchard stretch)
- - Current 960 covered by 984 (Whitley Rd - Bras Basah)
- - Marina Ctr Term loses 171, 960. Shenton Way gains 67, 984, loses 700. Jurong East gains 171. Choa Chu Kang gains 984. Bt Panjang loses 700. Woodlands and Boon Lay both lose 178.
Lost sectors:
- - Current 178 along Corporation Rd
- - Current 960 from Woodlands Rd & Petir Rd (mid-upper) to Rochor / Bugis
Comments:
- - Creative but radical idea. Would be very difficult to enact, and very chaotic when enacted all at once (the changes seem too interconnected to be rolled out in stages).
- CCK, Jurong East and Shenton Way will experience even more stress.
- - I like the changes enacted to kill 178, but the Corporation Rd section is unpatched.
- - 171's JE - BPJ section will have little demand, but may have the potential to be rerouted to serve BB West and Hillview.
- - 67 may come under fire for being a duplicate link to Orchard, unless there's significant demand carried over from 171.
- - 1 may find some bunching issues.
- - There's still route duplication between 170 and 961.
- - Current 67 covered by 1 (east section); 66 (Little India - Newton) and new 67 (west)
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Semi-route swap:
Service 102: Hougang - Yishun
- Hougang Int
- (current 102 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (skips Seletar Camp Gate stop)
- TPE
(express)
- SLE (express)
- Lentor Ave
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Int
Service 85: Punggol - Bt Panjang
- Punggol Int
- (current 85 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (serves Seletar Camp Gate stops)
- TPE (express)
- CTE (express)
- SLE (express)
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Mandai Ave
- SLE (express)
- BKE (express)
- Bt Panjang Rd
- Bt Panjang ITH
Service 324: Hougang - Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Int
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Ave 7
- Upp Serangoon Cres
- Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Ave 7
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Int
Considering the development of the massive Punggol uptown, there may be a need for improved links across the north (i.e. NE-NW) in the future. Hougang Central gets link to Yishun via 102 (not counting 854, which is less convenient), while Sengkang - Yishun is preserved with 102 and Punggol - Yishun is still covered by 117 (though Punggol East residents will have to make a transfer via 85 --> 117, 85 --> 102 or 3 --> 39 / 858 / 969).
Here are my thoughts:
102 replacing 85 is a v good idea - will work just fine, but 85 going to BPJ? I am not sure there is any demand between BPJ and Sengkang/Punggol towns considering they are too far away, and both are residential areas.
324 going to HG Ave 5/7 is a good idea, but residents will complain on increased travel time.
85 can extend to Sengkang West road instead of turning on Jalan Kayu and instead terminate at AMK via YCK Road, CTE, AMK Ave 5, AMK Ave 10, AMK Ave 3. This will provide some relief to the overly crowded sv 50 (Sengkang-AMK) and sv 88 (AMK Ave 10 - AMK MRT).
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Essentially:
- - Current 67 covered by 1 (east section); 66 (Little India -
Newton) and new 67 (west)
- - Current 178 covered by new 960 (WDL checkpoint - BPJ) and new 171 (BPJ - Jurong East)
- - Current 700 covered by 984 (BPJ - Newton & Shenton Way) and new 67 (Orchard stretch)
- - Current 960 covered by 984 (Whitley Rd - Bras Basah)
- - Marina Ctr Term loses 171, 960.
Shenton Way gains 67, 984, loses 700. Jurong East gains 171. Choa
Chu Kang gains 984. Bt Panjang loses 700. Woodlands and Boon Lay
both lose 178.
Lost sectors:
- - Current 178 along Corporation Rd
- - Current 960 from Woodlands Rd & Petir Rd (mid-upper) to Rochor / Bugis
Comments:
- - Creative but radical idea. Would be very difficult to enact, and very chaotic when enacted all at once (the changes seem too interconnected to be rolled out in stages).
- CCK, Jurong East and Shenton Way will experience even more
stress.
- - I like the changes enacted to kill 178, but the Corporation Rd section is unpatched.
- - 171's JE - BPJ section will have little demand, but may have the potential to be rerouted to serve BB West and Hillview.
- - 67 may come under fire for being a duplicate link to Orchard, unless there's significant demand carried over from 171.
- - 1 may find some bunching issues.
- - There's still route duplication between 170 and
961.
If you observe 178 at Corporation Road, all the bus stops are empty. There is hardly anyone boarding at these stops. They prefer to walk to Corporation Dr instead from where they can get 30/240/246 to Boon Lay and many services to Lakeside MRT.
178 frequency is 14-16 mins and you can imagine it comes on a long winding route from Woodlands. There are times when a bus will get stuck somewhere along the way and you may have to wait for 25-30 mins for a bus. Clearly, people don't find it worth it to board. At Boon Lay, you would expect bus to arrive in time, yet bus will not fetch more than 20-25 pax at most buses during prime peak.
Likewise 178 from JE to Corporation also has less than 30 pax even during peak hours. Between JE and BBT is already covered by 66. The unique part of the route is connecting BBT to Upper Bukit Timah/BPJ MRT.
- - Current 67 covered by 1 (east section); 66 (Little India -
Newton) and new 67 (west)
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Semi-route swap:
Service 102: Hougang - Yishun
- Hougang Int
- (current 102 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (skips Seletar Camp Gate stop)
- TPE
(express)
- SLE (express)
- Lentor Ave
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Int
Service 85: Punggol - Bt Panjang
- Punggol Int
- (current 85 route to Jln Kayu)
- Jln Kayu (serves Seletar Camp Gate stops)
- TPE (express)
- CTE (express)
- SLE (express)
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Mandai Ave
- SLE (express)
- BKE (express)
- Bt Panjang Rd
- Bt Panjang ITH
Service 324: Hougang - Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Int
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Ave 7
- Upp Serangoon Cres
- Upp Serangoon View
- Hougang Ave 7
- Hougang Ave 5
- Hougang Int
Considering the development of the massive Punggol uptown, there may be a need for improved links across the north (i.e. NE-NW) in the future. Hougang Central gets link to Yishun via 102 (not counting 854, which is less convenient), while Sengkang - Yishun is preserved with 102 and Punggol - Yishun is still covered by 117 (though Punggol East residents will have to make a transfer via 85 --> 117, 85 --> 102 or 3 --> 39 / 858 / 969).
Hi mr AJQZC, yes to this version of sbs 85. I like it. 70% of the route is on expressway. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Here are my thoughts:
102 replacing 85 is a v good idea - will work just fine, but 85 going to BPJ? I am not sure there is any demand between BPJ and Sengkang/Punggol towns considering they are too far away, and both are residential areas.
324 going to HG Ave 5/7 is a good idea, but residents will complain on increased travel time.
85 can extend to Sengkang West road instead of turning on Jalan Kayu and instead terminate at AMK via YCK Road, CTE, AMK Ave 5, AMK Ave 10, AMK Ave 3. This will provide some relief to the overly crowded sv 50 (Sengkang-AMK) and sv 88 (AMK Ave 10 - AMK MRT).
Punggol is slated to be much more than just a residential town, based on the plans by URA. When there's enough people, there'll be communities and developments. Parks, offices, as well as SIT will be there in the future.
So, I guess it's not impossible that there will be demand, in time to come. Also consider that there are currently no services from Bt Panjang that run express east along SLE (171 has its own catchment along Yishun and Mandai), let alone provide links to YCK / Sengkang. Long-hauls such as 161 and 969 were probably not much popular when they were just first introduced as well (refute me where accuracy demands, but I'm pretty sure some expressway services shared such properties).
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Punggol is slated to be much more than just a residential town, based on the plans by URA. When there's enough people, there'll be communities and developments. Parks, offices, as well as SIT will be there in the future.
So, I guess it's not impossible that there will be demand, in time to come. Also consider that there are currently no services from Bt Panjang that run express east along SLE (171 has its own catchment along Yishun and Mandai), let alone provide links to YCK / Sengkang. Long-hauls such as 161 and 969 were probably not much popular when they were just first introduced as well (refute me where accuracy demands, but I'm pretty sure some expressway services shared such properties).
Hi mr AJQZC, such long distance bus routes are no longer favoured. There is always the MRT. Northeast-downtown line straight can reach bukit panjang. Cheers. Thanks.
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Seriously i feel new towns like Sengkang and Punggol need at least an express bus service to town to compliment the MRT.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Punggol is slated to be much more than just a residential town, based on the plans by URA. When there's enough people, there'll be communities and developments. Parks, offices, as well as SIT will be there in the future.
So, I guess it's not impossible that there will be demand, in time to come. Also consider that there are currently no services from Bt Panjang that run express east along SLE (171 has its own catchment along Yishun and Mandai), let alone provide links to YCK / Sengkang. Long-hauls such as 161 and 969 were probably not much popular when they were just first introduced as well (refute me where accuracy demands, but I'm pretty sure some expressway services shared such properties).
Seriously i feel there is another bus interchange in future.
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Finally. I have been wanting you to see the point in making 'winding' town routes no matter how far it is. The proposed 114 route SBS6853S would have otherwise been an option...whew!
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Not necessary mr dupdup77. If for some reason people wish to go to a place fast, there are always routes which ply expressways
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Not necessary mr dupdup77. If for some reason people wish to go to a place fast, there are always routes which ply expressways
Hi mr smb1368T, I know people will definitely want, including me. However, the authorities will not introduce such a service which plies 4 expressways and make it an everyday service. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr smb1368T, I know people will definitely want, including me. However, the authorities will not introduce such a service which plies 4 expressways and make it an everyday service. Cheers. Thanks.
aiya you forever authorities here authorities there lah. The authorities your friend is it? Ppl make good route suggestion also cannot, what you want? Short feeder svc ah? No wonder ppl here get into fights with you. -
DeletedOriginally posted by Sbs6750E:
aiya you forever authorities here authorities there lah. The authorities your friend is it? Ppl make good route suggestion also cannot, what you want? Short feeder ah? No wonder ppl here get into fights with you.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr AJQZC, such long distance bus routes are no longer favoured. There is always the MRT. Northeast-downtown line straight can reach bukit panjang. Cheers. Thanks.
If given the choice, residents will be more inclined to choose less winding alternatives. In particular for those who travel to and from Sengkang West. Do you know many people who'd rather take the MRT from Yishun to Tampines than service 39/969? Of course, you could say there's not enough demand right now to warrant such a service, and a long one it is. I'm just musing about possible potential that such a service may have, some tine between Punggol's maturation and the opening of the Cross Island MRT Line, in the near future. Options generate demand too. Don't get too tense. Cheers.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
aiya you forever authorities here authorities there lah. The authorities your friend is it? Ppl make good route suggestion also cannot, what you want? Short feeder ah? No wonder ppl here get into fights with you.Hi mr sbs6750E, I did say I like AJQZC's proposed route. Will be beneficial to most. However, I am practical too. I know the possibility of it happening is close to zero. Haha people get into arguments with me is okay as long as they are talking about bus routes and have substantial facts to back up. This is what forums are all about. If people do not have even the basic freedom to say what they want, then that defeats the purpose of debating in forums. Everything just be 'yes man'. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
If given the choice, residents will be more inclined to choose less winding alternatives. In particular for those who travel to and from Sengkang West. Do you know many people who'd rather take the MRT from Yishun to Tampines than service 39/969? Of course, you could say there's not enough demand right now to warrant such a service, and a long one it is. I'm just musing about possible potential that such a service may have, some tine between Punggol's maturation and the opening of the Cross Island MRT Line, in the near future. Options generate demand too. Don't get too tense. Cheers.
Hi mr AJQZC, I understand. There are many alternatives to get from 1 place to another. Just as sengkang has sbs 156 from northeast to west, Punggol also deserves a bus service from northeast to either west or northwest. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Seriously i feel there is another bus interchange in future.
Hi mr carbikebus, do you have insider news as to where is the exact location? Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr AJQZC, such long distance bus routes are no longer favoured. There is always the MRT. Northeast-downtown line straight can reach bukit panjang. Cheers. Thanks.
Long distance express routes are of high importance when it could ply a route that reaches the destination with a less winding route.
And I dont think a journey to BPJ, from the NE, requires me to go all the way down to Little India, and all the way back up again.
MRT will also need supplementary routes to clear its crushing demand. NEL was running overcapacity until recently when C751C trains helped relieved this. It will not last long though with all the developments going on in the NE, and the govt's aim at reducing car usage.
Please be truthful in your statement when you make the assumption "no longer favoured". Who said so? Have you really asked the commuters on the ground? Or merely your self-centered opinion? If they are "no longer favoured", why are there still so many pax taking 168, 965, to name a few?
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More like he saying the authorities 'no longer favour' not the ppl actually using itOriginally posted by SMB128B:Long distance express routes are of high importance when it could ply a route that reaches the destination with a less winding route.
And I dont think a journey to BPJ, from the NE, requires me to go all the way down to Little India, and all the way back up again.
MRT will also need supplementary routes to clear its crushing demand. NEL was running overcapacity until recently when C751C trains helped relieved this. It will not last long though with all the developments going on in the NE, and the govt's aim at reducing car usage.
Please be truthful in your statement when you make the assumption "no longer favoured". Who said so? Have you really asked the commuters on the ground? Or merely your self-centered opinion? If they are "no longer favoured", why are there still so many pax taking 168, 965, to name a few?