Route Suggestions (Part 7)
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Suggestion for the bus service 119 should from Hougang st 21 to extend the route of Service to eunos interchange
From Hougang st 21
Hougang ave 1
Lor ah soo
Hougang ave 3
Eunos link
Jalan eunos
Changi rd
Jalan tui
Eunos Rd 2
eunos interchange
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Originally posted by orange28:
As a matter of fact, I think DDs on the existing 82 route would make more sense than DDs on the existing 83 route so yes, I would actually think that such a swop would be a good idea, in terms of maximizing efficiency of bus capacities.
If you were to mention about the "third town" argument, I can argue that svc 117 is best suited to be a Yishun - SAP - Punggol service, so there's that.
I can see where you are coming at with the svc 85 example though I want to point out a big difference, and that is that the Sengkang West portion of svc 85 is in the middle of its route, whereas the Sembawang portion of svc 117 is at one end of its route. So getting svc 85 to serve Sengkang West is a good idea because it "sort of" has to pass by around that area anyway, whereas getting svc 117 to serve Sembawang is in a sense extending that route northwards from Yishun. Here I argue that there are other services that can take the place of this northwards extension to Sembawang so as to maximise bus capacity efficiencies.
If people are going to SAP they will be able to get there, whether or not there is a direct bus service. Doesn't mean that if there is no direct bus means that they will not be able to travel to SAP, they can always transfer at a suitable transfer point (e.g. Yishun MRT). I enjoyed this discussion so far, and hope you can understand my perspectives. Regards.
Hi mr orange28, if you think by swapping 82 and 83 routes (point of swapping is at Punggol road in my earlier message) is a more sensible suggestion, then I really got nothing to say. With due respects to you, I am just glad you are not a route planner. You are just giving suggestions only and shall stay as that. Please do not take offence.
Why? If you really swopped 82 and 83, 82 just serves a bit of Punggol and straight onto Punggol road and turns right into compasvale street and then to Sengkang east road to Sengkang int. Haha. Then the whole of Punggol central/east/field lost their direct link to Sengkang int. Then you will see the loading of the revised 82 drop tremendously since Punggol whole east area is skipped. The revised 82 merely benefits compassvale street area and the route is too short. What sort of logic is this???
The correct thing to maximize efficiency is just to use 82 DD and 83 SD. Not to swop a portion of route to maximize efficiency. The most important feature of introducing bus service is to connect people to destination. Feed people to the location by bus routes and not to feed bus routes to capacity of buses which indirectly causes people to transfer.
There are still many different services to illustrate my example. However, the correct way to really uphold this is to change the type of bus to suit the route. And definitely NOT the other way round.
As for the third town argument, hey come on. SAP is not a HDB town.
Then back to the argument of extension. Yishun interchange already has a link to SAP through 103. When the authorities plan route, they also don't plan it in such a way that the same interchange has 2 direct links to SAP. Another town should get it. 117 from sembawang or another service from Woodlands will get it. This is to maximize coverage. So did you consider this? Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by array88:
I know this has probably been posted multiple times, but it's still interesting to connect the two interchange extensions in this way.
Service 27M: Compassvale - Tampines Concourse
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10rQ6zqQ81kBCeZtW2u9BN0o-wkk&usp=sharing
You can put your idea in http://routes.one/singapore/idea#1/-3
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Originally posted by Ajen:
Express 501
Punggol Int - Soon Lee Depot
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vXtjB526ea-04CpsMFAU0zZE8Io&usp=sharingAre you the one who suggested this route here: http://routes.one/idea/65 ?
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr orange28, if you think by swapping 82 and 83 routes (point of swapping is at Punggol road in my earlier message) is a more sensible suggestion, then I really got nothing to say. With due respects to you, I am just glad you are not a route planner. You are just giving suggestions only and shall stay as that. Please do not take offence.
Why? If you really swopped 82 and 83, 82 just serves a bit of Punggol and straight onto Punggol road and turns right into compasvale street and then to Sengkang east road to Sengkang int. Haha. Then the whole of Punggol central/east/field lost their direct link to Sengkang int. Then you will see the loading of the revised 82 drop tremendously since Punggol whole east area is skipped. The revised 82 merely benefits compassvale street area and the route is too short. What sort of logic is this???
The correct thing to maximize efficiency is just to use 82 DD and 83 SD. Not to swop a portion of route to maximize efficiency. The most important feature of introducing bus service is to connect people to destination. Feed people to the location by bus routes and not to feed bus routes to capacity of buses which indirectly causes people to transfer.
There are still many different services to illustrate my example. However, the correct way to really uphold this is to change the type of bus to suit the route. And definitely NOT the other way round.
As for the third town argument, hey come on. SAP is not a HDB town.
Then back to the argument of extension. Yishun interchange already has a link to SAP through 103. When the authorities plan route, they also don't plan it in such a way that the same interchange has 2 direct links to SAP. Another town should get it. 117 from sembawang or another service from Woodlands will get it. This is to maximize coverage. So did you consider this? Cheers. Thanks.
Maybe I wasn't too seriously thinking when I replied earlier, you make some valid points, though I offer some of my thoughts below.
Perhaps you're the Punggol expert so do you know where the bulk of 83 loading is? Usually when I see the svc 83 DDs from the TPE bus stop the upper decks are usually barely occupied in both directions so I am under the impression that the main bulk of 83 loading stays within Punggol itself ... There would still be other links to Punggol from Sengkang such as svcs 43, 50, 85, 119, etc.
You can say that the "whole of Punggol central/east/field lost their direct link to Sengkang int" but then the "whole of Punggol central/east/field" would also gain a direct access to more places along Punggol Rd, as well as facilities in Hougang/Serangoon, so it's also not a lose-lose scenairo as you'd imagine.
Yes the shortened svc 82 would be so short it would almost be useless. Of course then you might look at for instance, cancelling svc 82 altogether and getting svc 965 to cover the deleted sector on Compassvale St if you really need coverage there (as an example!) ...
Yes if svc 103 takes the route of svc 117 to Sembawang then Yishun Int (117) and Sembawang Int (103) each gets one service to SAP. No offence, but if you do look/think through my suggestions clearly you'll see that they are not all silly points that should be disregarded.
I'm not sure if there are any more relevant discussion points that we can talk about, perhaps as an endnote, I want to know what you think if the situation was that svc 103 was extended first to Yishun and Sembawang (via Yishun Ave 11, Ave 2, Canberra Link) and then svc 117 to Yishun (via Yishun Ave 1) was only introduced later? Would you then argue that svc 117 should be extended to Sembawang and svc 103 cut back to Yishun? Would like to get at least a simple yes/no reply on this, instead of a "this obviously will not happen so it's not worth discussing" comment.
Cheers and regards.
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New bus service
71
Tuas Ter - Jurong West Central (Loop)
Tuas Ter
Tuas Checkpt
Opp Asia-Pacific Brewery
Raffles Country Club
Aft Tuas Flyover
Pasir Labar Camp
Singapore Discovery Center
SAFTI Military inst
Bef Kian Teck Road
Aft Kian Teck Road
Jurong Camp
Bef Jurong West St 93
Blk 655
Blk 657
Blk 660
Blk 662D
Boon Lay Stn
Opp Blk 662C
Opp Blk 660
Opp Blk 657
Opp Blk 655
Aft Jurong West St 93
Opp Jurong Camp
Bef Kian Teck Road (23051)
Aft Kian Teck Road (23061)
Opp SAFTI Military inst
Opp Singapore Discovery Center
Opp Pasir Labar Camp
Bef Tuas Flyover
Maysushita Technology
Crown Beverage Cans S'pore
Asia-Pacific Brewery
Aft Tuas West Road
Bef Tuas West drive
Tuas Checkpt
Tuas Ter
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 263
Ang Mo Kio Interchange - Lentor Loop (Loop)
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3/Ave 4
Ang Mo Kio St 11
Ang Mo Kio Ave 2/Ave5
Yio Chu Kang Road
Lentor Loop/Rd
Yio Chu Kang Rd
Ang Mo Kio Ave 5/Ave 2
Ang Mo Kio St 11
Ang Mo Kio Ave 4/Ave 3Townlink 265
Ang Mo Kio Interchange - Ang Mo Kio Ave 10/Ang Mo Kio St 63 (Loop)
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8
Ang Mo Kio St 53/St 52
Ang Mo KIo Ave 10/St 54
Ang Mo Kio St 52/St 53
Ang Mo Kio Ave 5/Ave 8
Ang Mo Kio Interchange
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3/Ave 4/Ave 9
Ang Mo Kio St 63/St 64/St 62
Ang Mo Kio Ave 9/Ave 4/Ave 3
Ang Mo Kio InterchangeTownlink 268
Ang Mo Kio Interchange - Ang Mo Kio Industrial Park 2/Ang Mo Kio Depot
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3
Ang Mo Kio Industrial Park 2
Ang Mo Kio Ave 5
Ang Mo Kio Industrial Park 2
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3
Ang Mo Kio Interchange
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3/Ave 4/Ave 9
Ang Mo Kio St 62/St 64/St 63
Ang Mo Kio Ave 9/Ave 4/Ave 3
Ang Mo Kio InterchangeI assume 263 replaces 825?
and can amk suit 265 and 268?
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Originally posted by orange28:
Maybe I wasn't too seriously thinking when I replied earlier, you make some valid points, though I offer some of my thoughts below.
Perhaps you're the Punggol expert so do you know where the bulk of 83 loading is? Usually when I see the svc 83 DDs from the TPE bus stop the upper decks are usually barely occupied in both directions so I am under the impression that the main bulk of 83 loading stays within Punggol itself ... There would still be other links to Punggol from Sengkang such as svcs 43, 50, 85, 119, etc.
You can say that the "whole of Punggol central/east/field lost their direct link to Sengkang int" but then the "whole of Punggol central/east/field" would also gain a direct access to more places along Punggol Rd, as well as facilities in Hougang/Serangoon, so it's also not a lose-lose scenairo as you'd imagine.
Yes the shortened svc 82 would be so short it would almost be useless. Of course then you might look at for instance, cancelling svc 82 altogether and getting svc 965 to cover the deleted sector on Compassvale St if you really need coverage there (as an example!) ...
Yes if svc 103 takes the route of svc 117 to Sembawang then Yishun Int (117) and Sembawang Int (103) each gets one service to SAP. No offence, but if you do look/think through my suggestions clearly you'll see that they are not all silly points that should be disregarded.
I'm not sure if there are any more relevant discussion points that we can talk about, perhaps as an endnote, I want to know what you think if the situation was that svc 103 was extended first to Yishun and Sembawang (via Yishun Ave 11, Ave 2, Canberra Link) and then svc 117 to Yishun (via Yishun Ave 1) was only introduced later? Would you then argue that svc 117 should be extended to Sembawang and svc 103 cut back to Yishun? Would like to get at least a simple yes/no reply on this, instead of a "this obviously will not happen so it's not worth discussing" comment.
Cheers and regards.
Hi mr orange28, where did you see the 83DDs? 83 did not stop at TPE bus stop as claimed.
I am afraid 83 is more crucial to Punggol central/east/field people than hougang/Serangoon amenities. For Punggol rd, hougang and Serangoon, we can still tap on 62/136 along Punggol field/central. As you can see, when doing route planning, they also take into account the routes other services in same town bring the residents to. So by just doing swapping certain parts of routes, it will break certain connection deemed more necessary than others.
I hold no grudges against you. So be don't mistaken. If 103 is first extended to sembawang, then 117 must be further extended to woodlands. It should not terminate at yishun as the loading can be further improved. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by CZT:
I assume 263 replaces 825?
and can amk suit 265 and 268?
Svc 825 untouchable, YCK - Lentor Svc... Svc 263 is an additional bus service to Lentor Loop from AMK only. I feel that it is better to have feeder to go into Lentor Loop to ease residents instead of walking out to take either 265 or 269 to AMK Hub
As for Svc 265 & 268, just my suggestions only. Maybe 268 will have no change and start from Depot then...
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr orange28, where did you see the 83DDs? 83 did not stop at TPE bus stop as claimed.
I am afraid 83 is more crucial to Punggol central/east/field people than hougang/Serangoon amenities. For Punggol rd, hougang and Serangoon, we can still tap on 62/136 along Punggol field/central. As you can see, when doing route planning, they also take into account the routes other services in same town bring the residents to. So by just doing swapping certain parts of routes, it will break certain connection deemed more necessary than others.
I hold no grudges against you. So be don't mistaken. If 103 is first extended to sembawang, then 117 must be further extended to woodlands. It should not terminate at yishun as the loading can be further improved. Cheers. Thanks.
To clarify, I meant to say "spotting the svc 83 DDs crossing TPE" i.e. as viewed from the bus stops at TPE, not necessarily the svc 83 DDs actually stopping at the TPE stops (it's easy to identify because that's the only DD service now that crosses from Sengkang to Punggol at that point).
Yes, I agree cannot anyhow swop parts of routes, thus why I have thought about this before posting. As my judgement, swopping the northern terminus of svcs 103 and 117 would bring about the least impact to the current travelling patterns.
Just as a thought experiment, since you seem quite keen on extending svc 117 northwards. What would you think about a southern extension of svc 117 instead? So instead of going into Punggol interchange svc 117 can continue on Punggol Central, then cross the TPE (using either Punggol Rd or Punggol East) and enter Sengkang and perhaps terminate at the extension interchange? Because by your arguments so far, this will also bring about increased loadings as well, no? Cheers and have a good day.
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Originally posted by orange28:
To clarify, I meant to say "spotting the svc 83 DDs crossing TPE" i.e. as viewed from the bus stops at TPE, not necessarily the svc 83 DDs actually stopping at the TPE stops (it's easy to identify because that's the only DD service now that crosses from Sengkang to Punggol at that point).
Yes, I agree cannot anyhow swop parts of routes, thus why I have thought about this before posting. As my judgement, swopping the northern terminus of svcs 103 and 117 would bring about the least impact to the current travelling patterns.
Just as a thought experiment, since you seem quite keen on extending svc 117 northwards. What would you think about a southern extension of svc 117 instead? So instead of going into Punggol interchange svc 117 can continue on Punggol Central, then cross the TPE (using either Punggol Rd or Punggol East) and enter Sengkang and perhaps terminate at the extension interchange? Because by your arguments so far, this will also bring about increased loadings as well, no? Cheers and have a good day.
Hi mr orange28, if 117 is extended to Sengkang via Punggol rd, it duplicates function of 83 and also 965 (also comes from northern Singapore). If 117 is extended to Sengkang via Punggol central-continue to Punggol east, it duplicates 50 or 85 enroute to Sengkang int. Thus very difficult to find a resting place. No wonder 117 stops at sembawang at northern tip to make it slightly unique. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
... that it is better to have feeder to go into Lentor Loop to ease residents instead of walking out to take either 265 or 269 to AMK Hub As for Svc 265 & 268, just my suggestions only. Maybe 268 will have no change and start from Depot then
I thot 825 is good enuf? Unless 263 is going to complement it, which can be a good idea. But then the ridership would be very low and lentor mrt coming up, which means leeser ppl would even take it, let alone 825
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This is probably not going to happen:
Instead of having a new separate service between BPJ and Dairy Farm, 920 gets extended there (and renumbered). This saves a space at BPJ Int and also links more of interior BPJ with Hillview MRT to benefit commuters during PM and off peak.
Downside is the longer journey to BPJ Central though ... so an alternative would be to introduce a new BPJ - central/NE town trunk service plying 920 route in the BPJ stretch and then withdraw 920. But that's beside the point here :)
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Service 973: BPJ ITH - Hume Ave (loop)
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt Panjang]
- (current 920 route)
- Fajar Rd
- BPJ Ring Rd
- BPJ Rd (non-stop)
- Bangkit Rd (apply G/W plates here)
- Pending Rd
- Petir Rd
- Dairy Farm Rd [DT3 Hillview]
- Upp Bt Timah Rd (non-stop)
- Hillview Rd
- Hillview Ave
- Jln Batu Nilam
- Jln Remaja
- Hillview Ave
- Hume Ave
- Upp Bt Timah Rd
- Dairy Farm Rd [DT3 Hillview]
- Petir Rd
- Pending Rd
- BPJ Rd (non-stop)
- Bangkit Rd (apply G/W plates here)
- (current 920 route)
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt Panjang]
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt Panjang]
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
This is probably not going to happen:
Instead of having a new separate service between BPJ and Dairy Farm, 920 gets extended there (and renumbered). This saves a space at BPJ Int and also links more of interior BPJ with Hillview MRT to benefit commuters during PM and off peak.
Downside is the longer journey to BPJ Central though ... so an alternative would be to introduce a new BPJ - central/NE town trunk service plying 920 route in the BPJ stretch and then withdraw 920. But that's beside the point here :)
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Service 973: BPJ ITH - Hume Ave (loop)
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt
Panjang]
- (current 920 route)
- Fajar Rd
- BPJ Ring Rd
- BPJ Rd (non-stop)
- Bangkit Rd (apply G/W plates here)
- Pending Rd
- Petir Rd
- Dairy Farm Rd
[DT3 Hillview]
- Upp Bt Timah Rd (non-stop)
- Hillview Rd
- Hillview Ave
- Jln Batu Nilam
- Jln Remaja
- Hillview Ave
- Hume Ave
- Upp Bt Timah Rd
- Dairy Farm Rd
[DT3 Hillview]
- Petir Rd
- Pending Rd
- BPJ Rd (non-stop)
- Bangkit Rd (apply G/W plates here)
- (current 920 route)
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt Panjang]
Compared to some of the super winding Yishun feeders, I feel this one is actually ok as it connects to Hillview MRT at least...
- BPJ ITH [DT1 Bt
Panjang]
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Originally posted by array88:
Compared to some of the super winding Yishun feeders, I feel this one is actually ok as it connects to Hillview MRT at least...
HAHA winding like which service
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Trunk Svc 988 (Bukit Panjang Int. <> Compassvale Int.)
via
Bt Panjang Int.
Jelebu Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Jelapang Rd
Saujana Rd
Fajar Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Bangkit Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
BKE
SLE
TPE
Punggol Way
Punggol Central
Punggol Rd
Compassvale St
Compassvale Rd
Compassvale Int.
-Creates a fast, direct connection between Bt Panjang Estate, Punggol and Sengkang using BKE/SLE/TPE
-Supplements Feeder Svc 920 from Jelapang Rd to Bangkit Rd
Map link: http://routes.one/idea/90
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Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:
Trunk Svc 988 (Bukit Panjang Int. <> Compassvale Int.)
via
Bt Panjang Int.
Jelebu Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Jelapang Rd
Saujana Rd
Fajar Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Bangkit Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
BKE
SLE
TPE
Punggol Way
Punggol Central
Punggol Rd
Compassvale St
Compassvale Rd
Compassvale Int.
-Creates a fast, direct connection between Bt Panjang Estate, Punggol and Sengkang using BKE/SLE/TPE
-Supplements Feeder Svc 920 from Jelapang Rd to Bangkit Rd
Map link: http://routes.one/idea/90
The route seems too specialized (specifically only for people travelling between the two ends, which there is currently not many), and would not pick up any crowds from the passing-by areas such as Mandai and Yio Chu Kang. It may not gain enough demand as a result.
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Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:
Trunk Svc 988 (Bukit Panjang Int. <> Compassvale Int.)
via
Bt Panjang Int.
Jelebu Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Jelapang Rd
Saujana Rd
Fajar Rd
Bt Panjang Ring Rd
Bangkit Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
BKE
SLE
TPE
Punggol Way
Punggol Central
Punggol Rd
Compassvale St
Compassvale Rd
Compassvale Int.
-Creates a fast, direct connection between Bt Panjang Estate, Punggol and Sengkang using BKE/SLE/TPE
-Supplements Feeder Svc 920 from Jelapang Rd to Bangkit Rd
Map link: http://routes.one/idea/90
Hi mr Seveneighteightsix, looks good. Fit the three towns criteria of new TRUNK bus services launches lately. Bukit panjang-Punggol-sengkang. Will be a relatively fast service and be used often by people who needs to go to northwest fast. May still need transfer to another service on either ends to exact destination. Nonetheless, good. Cheers. Thanks.
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sv 500
Compassvale Interchange
Sengkang East Way
Sengkang East Road
Sengkang East Ave
Punggol Road
Buangkok Dr
Buangkok East Dr (exp)
KPE
Suntec City / Esplanade
Stamford St
Penang Road
Somerset Road
Orchard Road
Scotts Road
Dunearn/Bukit Timah Road
Whitley Road
PIE
Pioneer Road North
JW St 91/93
Upper Jurong Road (exp)
Pioneer Road North
JW St 63
Boon Lay Interchange
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Some suggested DTL3 amendments (again):
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Service 65
- (From Tampines)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Kaki Bukit Ave 1
- Ubi Ave 2
- Ubi Rd 3
- Ubi Ave 3
- Paya Lebar Rd
- Circuit Link
- (Towards Harbourfront)
Rationale: To improve connections between Ubi / MacPherson and Kg Ubi industrial estate, as well as with Kaki Bukit. Lost links on east side covered by 21/22, and west side by 66. Plenty of transfers en route as well. Only major miff is the lost direct link to Orchard area, which is not backed up by DTL3.
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Service 66
- (From Jurong East)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Bedok North Rd
- Chai Chee St
- Chai Chee Rd
- New Upp Changi Rd
- Bedok North Ave 1
- Bedok Int
Rationale: To reduce travel distance on 66 and link Chai Chee with DTL3. For the lost stretch near Bedok Reservoir, links towards Bedok are provided by 228, links to western Bedok Reservoir Rd and Ubi Ave 2 are provided by 22. Other links further west up to Jln Besar are provided by (modified) 65.
Service 66 (alternative)
- (From Jurong East)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Bedok North Ave 3
- Bedok North Ave 4
- BNDEP
Rationale: To connect Bedok North Ave 4 area with DTL3. Link alternatives are as above. Though admittedly less desirable than the above.
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Service 228
- (From Bedok)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Jln Tenaga
- Kaki Bukit Ave 1
- Jln Damai
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- (Towards Bedok)
Rationale: With 66 no longer lining its route, 228 would gain greater prominence and importance. Granted that some areas are already close to Bedok North MRT, but it is still relatively inconvenient for those staying near Telok Kurau Pri to cross over and squeeze on board 60 towards the MRT, so this adds another option. Also a loop across doesn't increase as much distance compared to that lost by 66.
[However ... I'm not sure if the eastbound bus stop is directly linked? It seems that it's the next one down the road that is. Doing the loop the other way would cause 228 to skip the bus stop at Blk 119 though.]
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Service 18
- (From Bedok)
- Bedok North Ave 1
- Bedok North St 3
- Bedok North Ave 2
- Bedok North Rd
- Bedok North Ave 3
- (Towards Tampines)
Rationale: To connect the hard-to-reach areas of Bedok North with DTL3. Though this may result in a serious loading imbalance, so probably short-trips could be deployed.
The lost bus stops at Bedok North Ave 2 could be covered by amending 69 or 168, seeing that there are already many services along Bedok North Ave 3.
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Express 513 Amendment (Tampines Concourse Int. <> Shenton Way Ter.)
via
Tampines Concourse Int.
Tampines Concourse
Tampines Ave 9
Tampines St 72 (express)
Tampines St 71
Tampines Ave 5
(existing 513 route btw Tampines St 83 and Ave 5)
PIE
CTE
Bideford Rd/Cairnhill Rd (express)
Orchard Rd
Bras Basah Rd
Raffles Blvd
Temasek Blvd
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
(existing 513 route btw Central Blvd/Marina Blvd to Anson Rd/Shenton Way)
Shenton Way Ter.
- Conversion of 513 to an everyday service
- Direct connection between Tampines West and Tampines Concourse to Orchard Rd, Dhoby Ghaut and CBD
- Express 513A introduced during weekday peak hours to cover original 513 routeMap link: http://routes.one/idea/96
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Route Extension for 142 (Toa Payoh - Potong Pasir - Serangoon Ctrl)
http://routes.one/idea/97
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Amendment for Service 128
http://routes.one/idea/99
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Originally posted by hgdep103:
Route Extension for 142 (Toa Payoh - Potong Pasir - Serangoon Ctrl)
http://routes.one/idea/97
Feel that in time to come there can be a swap ... perhaps 101 or 103 gets extended to Bidadari, then 142 can take its place.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Some suggested DTL3 amendments (again):
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Service 65
- (From Tampines)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Kaki Bukit Ave 1
- Ubi Ave 2
- Ubi Rd 3
- Ubi Ave 3
- Paya Lebar Rd
- Circuit Link
- (Towards Harbourfront)
Rationale: To improve connections between Ubi / MacPherson and Kg Ubi industrial estate, as well as with Kaki Bukit. Lost links on east side covered by 21/22, and west side by 66. Plenty of transfers en route as well. Only major miff is the lost direct link to Orchard area, which is not backed up by DTL3.
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Service 66
- (From Jurong East)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Bedok North Rd
- Chai Chee St
- Chai Chee Rd
- New Upp Changi Rd
- Bedok North Ave 1
- Bedok Int
Rationale: To reduce travel distance on 66 and link Chai Chee with DTL3. For the lost stretch near Bedok Reservoir, links towards Bedok are provided by 228, links to western Bedok Reservoir Rd and Ubi Ave 2 are provided by 22. Other links further west up to Jln Besar are provided by (modified) 65.
Service 66 (alternative)
- (From Jurong East)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Bedok North Ave 3
- Bedok North Ave 4
- BNDEP
Rationale: To connect Bedok North Ave 4 area with DTL3. Link alternatives are as above. Though admittedly less desirable than the above.
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Service 228
- (From Bedok)
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- Jln Tenaga
- Kaki Bukit Ave 1
- Jln Damai
- Bedok Reservoir Rd
- (Towards Bedok)
Rationale: With 66 no longer lining its route, 228 would gain greater prominence and importance. Granted that some areas are already close to Bedok North MRT, but it is still relatively inconvenient for those staying near Telok Kurau Pri to cross over and squeeze on board 60 towards the MRT, so this adds another option. Also a loop across doesn't increase as much distance compared to that lost by 66.
[However ... I'm not sure if the eastbound bus stop is directly linked? It seems that it's the next one down the road that is. Doing the loop the other way would cause 228 to skip the bus stop at Blk 119 though.]
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Service 18
- (From Bedok)
- Bedok North Ave 1
- Bedok North St 3
- Bedok North Ave 2
- Bedok North Rd
- Bedok North Ave 3
- (Towards Tampines)
Rationale: To connect the hard-to-reach areas of Bedok North with DTL3. Though this may result in a serious loading imbalance, so probably short-trips could be deployed.
The lost bus stops at Bedok North Ave 2 could be covered by amending 69 or 168, seeing that there are already many services along Bedok North Ave 3.
Some comments:
There is no direct two-way road connection between Bedok North MRT and Chai Chee (specifically you cannot go from Bedok North Rd to Chai Chee St) so it would be challenging to link these two areas up by bus. What might work best could be a modified svc 60 that skips Bedok Int and loops around Chai Chee instead? (in b4 anyone starts a lecture on the history of svc 60, this is just an convenient example because svc 60 comes down Bedok North Rd and terminates at Bedok Int)
Also since svc 66 is under TT now, it's not a good idea to terminate it at BNDEP ...
The proposed new looping point for svc 228, I think it's best done counter-clockwise (Jln Damai, Kaki Bukit Ave 1, Jln Tenaga) so as to directly serve the MRT station (no great loss about the Blk 121 (not 119) stop though, people there can do an easy 5 mins walk to the train station ...)
I think some of your other suggestions can be made with a single route, svc 66, as follows:
Svc 66 from Jurong East:
- ... Circuit Link
- Paya Lebar Rd, Ubi Ave 3
- Kaki Bukit Ave 2, Rd 3 (new bus stops here), Ave 1 (x-fer to Kaki Bukit MRT)
- Bedok Reservior Rd
- Bedok North Rd (x-fer to Bedok North MRT)
- Bedok Norht Ave 1, St 3, Ave 2, St 1, Bedok Int