Route Suggestions (Part 7)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I don't think 117 should get amended on Punggol side. It is an important transfer point to other services at Seletar Circus for Punggol residents.
117 should have been amended to Canberra estate. That was a mistake on LTA's part.
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then LTA should have converted 117 to full SD/minority DD by now mah
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
Wait once matilda is up. If you amend 117 like that, residents there will shout at you lor. ;-) You know, it's just like amending 76 to Eunos. :-) No lah, this one worse, no replacement svc some more.Then why everytime I heard Punggol residents want faster route to Seletar?They know in future Punggol Way can direct go to Seletar..
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SMRT Bus Service 977
Choa Chu Kang Int - Shenton Way Terminal
Choa Chu Kang Int
Choa Chu Kang Way
Choa Chu Kang North 6
Choa Chu Kang Link
Choa Chu Kang North 5
Choa Chu Kang Dr
KJE
BKE
PIE
Whitley Rd
Stevens Rd
Scotts Rd
Paterson Rd
Paterson Hill
Hoot Kiam Rd
Kim Seng Rd
Outram Rd
Cantonment Rd
Keppel Rd
Anson Rd
Palmer Rd
Shenton Way Terminal
*Winds around Choa Chu Kang North, as there are no direct buses from Choa Chu Kang North to city.
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Tower Transit Service 644
Tengah Int > Tampines North Int
Tengah Int
Jurong Rd
Bukit Batok Rd
Bukit Batok West Ave 3
Bukit Batok Ctrl
Bukit Batok East Ave 3
Toh Tuck Ave
Commonwealth Ave West
Lower Delta Rd
Jln Bukit Merah
Kampong Bahru Rd
Eu Tong Sen St
Victoria St
Brash Basah Rd
Temasek Blvd
Bayfront Ave
Marina Blvd
MCE
ECP
Xilin Ave
Upp Changi Rd East
Simei Rd
Tampines St 31
Tampines Ave 2
Tampines Ave 9
Tampines Ave 12
Tampines St 62
Tampines North Int
Bus fleet (34 Buses)
9 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 City 13.1m
13 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 MMC Facelift 13.1m
12 Scania K320UD CDGE 12.8m
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Originally posted by Royce SBS3979H:
Tower Transit Service 644
Tengah Int > Tampines North Int
Tengah Int
Jurong Rd
Bukit Batok Rd
Bukit Batok West Ave 3
Bukit Batok Ctrl
Bukit Batok East Ave 3
Toh Tuck Ave
Commonwealth Ave West
Lower Delta Rd
Jln Bukit Merah
Kampong Bahru Rd
Eu Tong Sen St
Victoria St
Brash Basah Rd
Temasek Blvd
Bayfront Ave
Marina Blvd
MCE
ECP
Xilin Ave
Upp Changi Rd East
Simei Rd
Tampines St 31
Tampines Ave 2
Tampines Ave 9
Tampines Ave 12
Tampines St 62
Tampines North Int
Bus fleet (34 Buses)
9 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 City 13.1m
13 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 MMC Facelift 13.1m
12 Scania K320UD CDGE 12.8m
Probably only partially feasible if it is made an express service. Can reduce duplication with 174 and 963 (I'll presume the route between C'wealth Ave West and Lower Delta Rd is express on AYE after Clementi). If serving BB, best to serve upcoming BB west; central and south already have 174e/506.
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Tampines East MRT rationalisation/amendments, draft 3.
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A. Service 291 (East):
- After Tampines St 21, reroute to St 24, Ave 7 (MRT), Ave 2. Skips St 23.
- Alternatively, via St 24, Ave 7 (MRT), St 34, St 33, St 32, and back via St 34.
- Provides MRT connection for St 21 and St 32/33 residents.
- Note that St 24 / Ave 7 junction is right-turn friendly.
B1. Service 39:
- From Tampines: After Tampines Ave 2 (East CC), divert into St 23, St 24, Ave 7 (MRT).
- Retains link between Tampines Int and St 23 (albeit longer), and provides MRT connection for St 23 residents.
B2. Service 293 (East):
- Re-loop via Tampines Ave 7, Ave 9, St 42/43, Ave 9, St 45, Ave 7.
- Provides MRT connection for Tampines St 42-45 residents.
- (BUT) Lost link to St 41, Tampines North CC and a few schools (East View Sec, Tamp Nth Pri).
C. Service 18:
- From Bedok: After Tampines Ave 2 (East CC), reroute into St 23, St 24, Ave 7 (MRT), St 45, Ave 9, Ave 12, Pasir Ris Dr 8, Dr 3, Pasir Ris Int.
- Provides connections to both Tampines East and Pasir Ris MRT stations, plus Tampines East CC, for Tampines St 42-45 residents, as an alternative to changes B1 & B2.
- Alternatively, may continue after Tampines Ave 9 towards Tampines North Int.
- (BUT) Lost direct connection to Bedok from Tampines Ave 7, which can be mitigated with a quick transfer via 21 --> 168.
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Here are my proposed changes to rationalise services for Tampines East MRT with (hopefully) the least number of major changes involved, with either three minor reroutes (A, B1, B2) or one minor and one major (A, C). NO NEW SERVICES are needed.
This also does not take into account rationalisation along other stations involving cutting/rerouting of routes.
The HDBs along St 42 are generally within walking distance to Tampines East MRT, so it's mainly those in the path of service 28 that needs coverage. 28 should not be unnecessarily modified. 291 has to be the bridging service to St 32/33, for introducing / diverting a service would be troublesome; this would call for a new service at St 23, which is provided by either 39 (B1) or 18 (C).
A last possibility is to extend 46 to loop near Ave 7/9, but that's quite remote and there may be other things LTA intend to do with 46.
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Comments?
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Tampines East MRT rationalisation/amendments, draft 3.
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A. Service 291 (East):
- After Tampines St 21, reroute to St 24, Ave 7 (MRT), Ave 2. Skips St 23.
- Alternatively, via St 24, Ave 7
(MRT), St 34, St 33, St 32, and back via St 34.
- Provides MRT connection for St 21 and St 32/33 residents.
- Note that St 24 / Ave 7 junction is right-turn friendly.
B1. Service 39:
- From Tampines: After Tampines Ave 2 (East CC), divert into St 23, St 24, Ave 7
(MRT).
- Retains link between Tampines Int and St 23 (albeit longer), and provides MRT connection for St 23 residents.
B2. Service 293 (East):
- Re-loop via Tampines Ave 7, Ave 9, St 42/43, Ave 9, St 45, Ave 7.
- Provides MRT connection for Tampines St 42-45 residents.
- (BUT) Lost link to St 41, Tampines North CC and a few schools
(East View Sec, Tamp Nth Pri).
C. Service 18:
- From Bedok: After Tampines Ave 2 (East CC), reroute into St 23, St 24, Ave 7 (MRT), St 45, Ave 9, Ave 12, Pasir Ris Dr 8, Dr 3, Pasir Ris Int.
- Provides connections to both Tampines East and Pasir Ris MRT
stations, plus Tampines East CC, for Tampines St 42-45 residents,
as an alternative to changes B1 & B2.
- Alternatively, may continue after Tampines Ave 9 towards Tampines North Int.
- (BUT) Lost direct connection to Bedok from Tampines Ave 7, which can be mitigated with a quick transfer via 21 --> 168.
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Here are my proposed changes to rationalise services for Tampines East MRT with (hopefully) the least number of major changes involved, with either three minor reroutes (A, B1, B2) or one minor and one major (A, C). NO NEW SERVICES are needed.
This also does not take into account rationalisation along other stations involving cutting/rerouting of routes.
The HDBs along St 42 are generally within walking distance to Tampines East MRT, so it's mainly those in the path of service 28 that needs coverage. 28 should not be unnecessarily modified. 291 has to be the bridging service to St 32/33, for introducing / diverting a service would be troublesome; this would call for a new service at St 23.
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Comments?
I hope you do realize that DTL3 stops at Tampines Central as well where all these services will still provide MRT connection to residents. Diverting the routes as you have suggested will highly inconvenience people going to EWL which will still be the to-go MRT option as it is fastest to city area.
Moreover from places like Tampines Ave 2, they have multiple services taking them to Tampines West DTL3 stop along SAFRA.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I hope you do realize that DTL3 stops at Tampines Central as well where all these services will still provide MRT connection to residents. Diverting the routes as you have suggested will highly inconvenience people going to EWL which will still be the to-go MRT option as it is fastest to city area.
Moreover from places like Tampines Ave 2, they have multiple services taking them to Tampines West DTL3 stop along SAFRA.
Hmmm okay, but would it not bring convenience to those staying near the far areas such as St 33 and St 45? It's decently far to Tampines Central (let alone Tampines West MRT), and that place is quite crowded. Bringing residents to Tampines East MRT would be much faster. It's still their choice if they want to continue the trip to Central.
Proposed 291 change skips one pair of bus stops at St 23, which is the only link that needs bridging.
Bus stops that lose 18 have loads of alternative services to Tampines Central along both Ave 7 and Ave 2. The only significant missing link is between Ave 7 and Bedok.
The bus stops along St 32 (76411/76419, after & opp Ngee Ann Sec) are far enough from Tampines East MRT to make walking unfeasible. There is no sheltered walkway either.
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I think Potong Pasir/Kallang Way Industrial Area can have a link to Mattar Stn.
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Extended service 883:
- Sembawang Int
- (current route to Yishun MRT)
- Yishun Ctrl 1
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 4
- Yishun Ave 1
- Yishun St 41
- Yishun Ring Rd
- Yishun Ave 4
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl 1
- (current route to Sembawang Int)
- Sembawang Int
With this effective merger, 805 will be withdrawn. This helps to relieve load at Yishun Temporary Int and Yishun MRT bus stops, saves time (for parking at Yishun) and resources.
Assumptions:
- (1) After Canberra & Yishun Ave 1 estates fully open, 805 and 883 will operate at approximately the same frequency with approximately the same demand;
- (2) Few passengers board at Yishun Int;
- (3) The merger will be carried out after BSEP has met its quota of 80 introduced services.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Hmmm okay, but would it not bring convenience to those staying near the far areas such as St 33 and St 45? It's decently far to Tampines Central (let alone Tampines West MRT), and that place is quite crowded. Bringing residents to Tampines East MRT would be much faster. It's still their choice if they want to continue the trip to Central.
Proposed 291 change skips one pair of bus stops at St 23, which is the only link that needs bridging.
Bus stops that lose 18 have loads of alternative services to Tampines Central along both Ave 7 and Ave 2. The only significant missing link is between Ave 7 and Bedok.
The bus stops along St 32 (76411/76419, after & opp Ngee Ann Sec) are far enough from Tampines East MRT to make walking unfeasible. There is no sheltered walkway either.
I don't think you should touch 291.
My proposal is extension of sv 46 which today is "quite useless" and can be made more useful with DTL3 opening.
UEC <> Tampines St 45 (loop)
UEC -- existing route -- Tampines Ave 5 -- Tampines Ave 4 -- Tampines Ave 7 (DTL3) -- Tampines St 32 -- Tampines St 34 -- Tampines St 45 -- Tampines Ave 9 -- Tampines Ave 7 (DTL3) & back.
* This way sv 46 can provide direct connection to DTL3 MRT for residents along st 32, 34, 45.
* This modification will also provide faster intra-town service between Tampines west and east towns as 291/293 spend a lot of time in the interchange. People will save at least 10 mins to go from opposite sides of town.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I don't think you should touch 291.
My proposal is extension of sv 46 which today is "quite useless" and can be made more useful with DTL3 opening.
UEC <> Tampines St 45 (loop)
UEC -- existing route -- Tampines Ave 5 -- Tampines Ave 4 -- Tampines Ave 7 (DTL3) -- Tampines St 32 -- Tampines St 34 -- Tampines St 45 -- Tampines Ave 9 -- Tampines Ave 7 (DTL3) & back.
* This way sv 46 can provide direct connection to DTL3 MRT for residents along st 32, 34, 45.
* This modification will also provide faster intra-town service between Tampines west and east towns as 291/293 spend a lot of time in the interchange. People will save at least 10 mins to go from opposite sides of town.
Good route��46 no need to terminate at Tampines,Very useless of for 4-8 mins only.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Extended service 883:
- Sembawang Int
- (current route to Yishun MRT)
- Yishun Ctrl 1
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 4
- Yishun Ave 1
- Yishun St 41
- Yishun Ring Rd
- Yishun Ave 4
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl 1
- (current route to Sembawang Int)
- Sembawang Int
With this effective merger, 805 will be withdrawn. This helps to relieve load at Yishun Temporary Int and Yishun MRT bus stops, saves time (for parking at Yishun) and resources.
Assumptions:
- (1) After Canberra & Yishun Ave 1 estates fully open, 805 and 883 will operate at approximately the same frequency with approximately the same demand;
- (2) Few passengers board at Yishun Int;
- (3) The merger will be carried out after BSEP has met its quota
of 80 introduced services.
I rather you modify 117 to serve the Canberra estates + KTPH sector...save resources too..
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869 Sembawang <-> Eunos Int
Sembawang Int
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang Way
Canberra Link
Yishun Ave 2
Yishun Ave 7
Yishun Ave 6
Yishun Ave 8
Yishun Ave 1
Seletar West Link
CTE
Braddell Rd
Bartley Rd
Upper Paya Lebar Rd
Paya Lebar Rd
Sims Ave
Eunos Rd 2
Eunos Int*Return : Eunos Int, Sims Ave, Jalan Eunos, Changi Rd, Geylang Rd, Paya Lebar Rd...
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
I rather you modify 117 to serve the Canberra estates + KTPH sector...save resources too..
Wish that had happened too, but alas, LTA insisted on 883.
So too bad ...
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Wish that had happened too, but alas, LTA insisted on 883.
So too bad ...
883 is required but launched way too early. This service should have been launched in Q3 2017 one year later. For now, 117 should have been diverted to cover for 883.
Even 382G/W was launched way too early. Even today got only 8-10 pax per bus. So many wasted resources. Would have been better to have 117 cover Matilda section when launched to save resources as well.
These are decisions that would be taken if you have some constraint on resources but with LTA's quotas to invest, they don't care.
But beware it's going to come to bite us with fare increases very soon.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
883 is required but launched way too early. This service should have been launched in Q3 2017 one year later. For now, 117 should have been diverted to cover for 883.
Even 382G/W was launched way too early. Even today got only 8-10 pax per bus. So many wasted resources. Would have been better to have 117 cover Matilda section when launched to save resources as well.
These are decisions that would be taken if you have some constraint on resources but with LTA's quotas to invest, they don't care.
But beware it's going to come to bite us with fare increases very soon.
Hi mr busanalyser, surely you don't expect 117 to cover 382 and also 883 route? 382 is not launched early. Safra Punggol is already up and 1 bus service definitely needs to go in sentul crescent. Moreover, 117 is a trunk service. Cannot really expect 117 to be diverted into all the smaller roads. For services having low loading do not mean that they do not need to be served with a link. Moreover, it also does not mean that without these bus services, there will not be fare increases.
Service 382W/G was introduced on 3 Jan 2016. Just 1 day ahead of the opening of new school Punggol cove primary school. It was not introduced way ahead. There are totally no buses at this part of the area. LTA also liaised with other govt institution for launch of bus services for the benefit of most residents. Cheers. Thanks.
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16 (Amendment)
Current route from Bt Merah to Marine Parade Rd > Siglap Rd > Chai Chee Dr > Chai Chee St > Bedok North Ave 1 > Bedok Int.
152 (Bedok < > Jln Kembangan)
Bedok Int > Bedok South Rd > Bedok South Ave 1 > East Coast Rd > Siglap Rd > Marine Parade Rd > Marine Terrace/Crescent > Joo Chiat Road > Koon Seng/Tembeling Rd > Joo Chiat Pl > Still Rd > Sims Av East > Jalan Kembangan.
Return via Changi Rd > Still Rd > Joo Chiat Pl > Joo Chiat Rd > Marine Parade Rd
1. New connection between Chai Chee and Marine Parade.
2. New connection between Kembangan > Katong & Marine Parade.
3. New connection between Marine Parade MRT/Marine Terrace MRT and East Coast Rd.
4. Kembangan upgraded to full terminal.
5. Downside is my proposed 152 is duplicative of 33.
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SMRT 856A
Opts Hrs (Weekdays only):
0650 - 0850
1630 - 2030Wdl Ave 3(Start from Opp Marsiling Stn)
Wdl Centre Rd
Admiralty Rd
Admiralty Rd W
Senoko Rd
Senoko Dr(Loop)
Senoko Ave
Admiralty Rd W
Admiralty Rd
Wdl Centre Rd
Wdl Ave 3(Terminates at Marsiling Stn) -
Amend bus route 46 to ply more of Bedok Reservoir Rd and Bedok North Rd. Via Bedok North MRT. Skip Bedok North Ave 3.
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Bus service 46 should from tampines to eunos chai chee loops
From tampines ave 4,bedok reservoir rd,bedok north rd,kaik bukit ave 1,eunos link,jalan eunos,sims ave east, chai chee dr, chai chee st, bedok north ave 1,bedok north rd back to tampines
As the feedback to lta said that cannot afford to provide
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Originally posted by Vampire77lim:
Bus service 46 should from tampines to eunos chai chee loops
From tampines ave 4,bedok reservoir rd,bedok north rd,kaik bukit ave 1,eunos link,jalan eunos,sims ave east, chai chee dr, chai chee st, bedok north ave 1,bedok north rd back to tampines
As the feedback to lta said that cannot afford to provide
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Originally posted by Vampire77lim:
Bus service 46 should from tampines to eunos chai chee loops
From tampines ave 4,bedok reservoir rd,bedok north rd,kaik bukit ave 1,eunos link,jalan eunos,sims ave east, chai chee dr, chai chee st, bedok north ave 1,bedok north rd back to tampines
As the feedback to lta said that cannot afford to provide
Hi mr vampire77lim, what is so special about eunos? It is not as though that eunos is badly connected? Eunos in my opinion is quite well balanced in terms of public transport. There are many bus services around eunos and even more further down at east coast/ marine parade side. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr vampire77lim, what is so special about eunos? It is not as though that eunos is badly connected? Eunos in my opinion is quite well balanced in terms of public transport. There are many bus services around eunos and even more further down at east coast/ marine parade side. Cheers. Thanks.
just dun bother about him lah... he is the one who keep on complaining at GA facebook, abt LTA never extend 119 to eunos lah, sv15 never use DDs lah.....