Originally posted by gekpohboy:Okay. Enough about 258, please.
All that 258 needs is just a capacity downgrade from DD to SD, and an adjustment of frequency to match the other Jurong Industrial Bus Services (excluding 256). That's all.
I would like to propose the following set of frequency for bus service 258:
0630hrs - 0830hrs: 7 - 8 minutes (9 buses)
0831hrs - 1659hrs: 12 - 14 minutes (5 buses)
1700hrs - 1900hrs: 7- 8 minutes (9 buses)
After 1900hrs: 12 - 14 minutes (5 buses)
Reason:
Currently, with a full double decker fleet at eleven minutes frequency, the capacity of 258 is 725.45 pax/hr (133 × 60/11). If we change to use full single decker fleet, I would propose having seven minutes frequency during peak period, so that the capacity of 258 during peak period would be 711.42 pax/hr (83 × 60/7).
Although the capacity during peak period would be lower, frankly speaking, even the double decker buses now are not fully occupied. After so long, the authorities probably have the data on what is the average loading like during peak periods. If it is less than 711.42 pax in one hour during peak period, I think it is feasible to use all-SDs and have frequency at 7 - 8 minutes.
During non-peak periods, 258 can continue to run at its current frequency of thirteen minutes, except now it uses only single decker buses. Capacity would be reduced from 613.85 pax/hr (133 x 60/13) to 383.08 pax/hr (83 x 60/13). Based on my observations, as well as the comments here, I think even at reduced capacity, this should be more than enough for non-peak period loading.
For the above frequencies, I propose 9 single decker buses during peak period and 5 single decker buses during non-peak periods. But, what are we going to do with the 4 single deckers not in use during non-peak periods?
Alternatively, we can have 5 single decker (83 x 5 = 415 pax) permanently deployed on 258. During peak periods, we can have 2 double decker (133 x 2 = 266) cross-over to 258 - but from where, I do not know, maybe from 182. If so, peak period frequency can only be at 8 - 9 minutes, at least still better than the current 10 - 12 minutes. Total capacity would be 681 pax/hr during peak period. If average actual loading per hour during peak period on 258 is less than 681, I think it can be done.
meanwhile, SLBP needs government-funded buses for bus services transferring to Bulim Depot. So, might as well...
Seriously, only the authorities know the actual figures of loading on bus service 258, through the data collected from the EZ-Link card readers. I hope that they can refer to the average of the actual figures and set the frequencies accordingly while making changes from double decker to single decker.
Let's move on to discuss other bus services.
Thank You.
Peak hours from 0600-0830/1630-1930 freq of 5-9 mins off peaks 14-18 mins..JIS off peak minibus also cannot full.Later you complain waste resource.
Originally posted by sgbuses:My bad, though I still view 61 as another DD route given its length.
This is where the deployment of A24s on 960 made little sense, unless it is temporary.
Assuming Seletar GCM comes in and takes no bendy buses at all, SMRT may be forced to let go up to 150 non-WAB bendy buses by end-2017 without extension.
I got a feeling that what going to happen,Imagine if a new operator or SBST wins,They sure dont want bendy buses.Amdep will become sub bus park for Woodlands haha
Originally posted by array88:Quite surprising to see so few pax boarding at Chinese Garden.
If you observe 180 during AM Peak, 70% of the pax will alight at Chinese Garden MRT towards Boon Lay.
I don't know. This is the FIRST time I took sv 180 - that too I was not going to take but when I saw the beauty MANA95 approaching, couldn't resist.
Chinese Garden bus stop on both sides have very few pax. In fact when 4 people boarded, there was no one left. Means no one to take 335. Even opposite direction stop only 4-5 people on the bus stop. I thought this is where 335 would get full for st 52 and JW estate.
But DDs do so well on 180 because there is almost negligible alighting between Boon Lay and Chinese Garden and upper deck was full.
I already email and stressed out that most of the 180 pax do travel long distance thus bendy is redundant.Boon Lay already so jam packed,Use DDs la..10 DDs and 2 SDs with improved frequencies should do the job.
Originally posted by carbikebus:I already email and stressed out that most of the 180 pax do travel long distance thus bendy is redundant.Boon Lay already so jam packed,Use DDs la..10 DDs and 2 SDs with improved frequencies should do the job.
180 also no more full HC fleet. Got lot of rigids these days.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:180 also no more full HC fleet. Got lot of rigids these days.
I noticed,But at least got 9 HC and 3 SD running..
Originally posted by carbikebus:I noticed,But at least got 9 HC and 3 SD running..
But why... it deserves to be full fleet high capacity especially when people travel such long distance... and also to think of it SMRT has so many SP bendies now. Look at 161 and 168 - DD every 05-07 mins. 24 and 32 DDs. 180 has around 12 buses for last 5 years, more so now fleet downgrade. Shit SMRT.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:But why... it deserves to be full fleet high capacity especially when people travel such long distance... and also to think of it SMRT has so many SP bendies now. Look at 161 and 168 - DD every 05-07 mins. 24 and 32 DDs. 180 has around 12 buses for last 5 years, more so now fleet downgrade. Shit SMRT.
Last 5 years its only 8 buses,then to 9 after a while maintain 10 buses,Recently upgrade to 12 buses.Its the frequencies need to adjust..Convert 1 split to normal day duty.
Note: The following was done on Thursday, 31 Mar 2016.
Note: The following was done on Thursday, 31 Mar 2016.
Based on observations, maybe a SWT 74A or 74M can be operated from Buona Vista Ter to King Albert Park MRT (loop) (after reading the loading data posted by Array88, originally I wanted to suggest Buona Vista MRT/Ter to Dover MRT)
SWT 74A could use only single deckers (making 74 full DD) to compliment the demand from educational institues at Dover and for Ngee Ann and SIM students boarding 74 from Dover MRT, though in my opinion, 74 should be full DD with 3 KUBs (for ffw 74e) as I feel that KUBs can carry a higher capacity as compared to the citaro
There are many students that board 74 to Ngee Ann/SIM from Dover MRT, even though there are 154 and 184 from Clementi
Loading of 190 DD on Sunday afternoon towards BPJ/CCK
SMB5051E 190, boarding time 12:49pm
Apart from capacity upgrades, Service 180 also needs to see improvements in its scheduled frequency, especially during the peak periods. Just 11-12 buses (even if all high capacity) do not suffice.
Originally posted by array88:Note: The following was done on Thursday, 31 Mar 2016.
Loading on 74 SD (SBS6840D)(18:17) Holland Dr - [+4] 4(18:19) Commonwealth Ave - [+2] 6(18:21) North Buona Vista Rd - [-1+27] 32 (Buona Vista MRT), [+2] 34(18:27) Dover Rd - [-3+21] 52, [-10+24] 66(18:31) Dover Ave - [+2] 68(18:33) Commonwealth Ave West - 68, [-32+29] (Dover MRT) (At least 20 pax could not board), 65(Note: The actual number of pax boarding at Dover MRT should be more than 29)(18:41) Clementi Rd - [-2+1] 64, [-8] 56, [-6] 50, [-3+4] 51, [-2+1] 50, [-37+35] 48 (SIM) (20-30 pax boarded 151 behind), [-3+4] 49 (Ngee Ann) (5-10 pax boarded 151 behind), [-4] 45(18:55) Dunearn Rd - [-20+1] 26 (King Albert Park MRT), [-1] 25, [-1+2] 26, [-1+1] 26, [-1+2] 27 (Sixth Avenue MRT), [+1] 28, [-1+4] 31 (I alighted here)- This slot could have been a DD. Also apparently many slots departing Buona Vista at this time were also SDs and I wonder how they could tank the load- Although Clementi Rd has 3 services to Clementi MRT, many people still prefer 74 from Dover even though they may not be able to board- Contrary to some people's belief, students and residents in Bukit Timah do not just take the first bus that arrives and alight at the first DTL station. Quite a number of them still wait for specific services or take buses for long distance.
Surprised to see so many alight at SIM at 630pm+ since there is no housing there but just universities. The loading seems lower than expected along Bukit Timah stretch. At that hour I would have expected the bus to go packed to Marymount/AMK.
74 already got 3 SD->DD upgrades but surprisingly it seems SDs are doing PM peak from BNV to HG while it should be the opposite direction.
Bus Service 101.
3 April 2016 (Sunday).
Trip started at 2:05pm, ended at 3:14pm.
Most people board at "Blk 984" (20), "Hougang Ctrl Int" (19) and "Serangoon Int" (13).
Most people alight at "Blk 984" (29), "Opp Hougang Ctrl Int" (18) and "Serangoon Int" (16).
The highest loading is 37, lowest loading is 13.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Surprised to see so many alight at SIM at 630pm+ since there is no housing there but just universities. The loading seems lower than expected along Bukit Timah stretch. At that hour I would have expected the bus to go packed to Marymount/AMK.
74 already got 3 SD->DD upgrades but surprisingly it seems SDs are doing PM peak from BNV to HG while it should be the opposite direction.
I believe those alighting at SIM are for night lectures. On the other hand, there are some residents along Clementi Rd who take 74 from Dover MRT.
As for the Marymount connection, I'm not sure if it's because of pax switching to KAP->DTL->CCL.
Noticed that 50's link between Bishan Int/MRT and AMK Ave 8 (before AMK MRT) is well utilised on weekends, with 30-40 pax on Sunday afternoon when leaving Bishan MRT bus stop. Could be due to CCL users (for whom 50's berth is just outside CCL exit) or Junction 8 shoppers.
Service 166 loading durning weekend evening, SBS7718T, Boarding time: 4:52pm
Bus Service 25
Direction 1 - Ang Mo Kio to Bedok.
4 April 2016 (Monday)
Trip started at 9:07am, ended at approximately 10am.
Note: Towards the end, from "Opp Eunos Stn" to "Bedok Int", I may be wrong.
Most people board the bus at "Ang Mo Kio Stn" (27), "Ang Mo Kio Int" (12) and "Kembangan Stn" (10).
Most people alight from the bus at "Blk 554" (18), "Eunos Technolink" (14), "Kembangan Stn" (9) and "Bedok Int" (9).
Bus Service 25
Direction 2 - Bedok to Ang Mo Kio.
4 April 2016 (Monday)
Trip started at 10:10am, ended at 11:05am.
I am surprised that there is no abrupt change in loading. It seems that most people are heading to the same destination: Ang Mo Kio Bus Interchange. It seems that quite a number of people take bus 25 all the way from Bedok Bus Interchange to Ang Mo Kio Bus Interchange.
Anyway,
Most people board at "Bedok Int" (12), "Blk 311" (8) and "Blk 452" (7). Actually, besides Bedok Bus Interchange, the boarding activity at all bus stops is about the same.
Most people alight at "Ang Mo Kio Int" (33), "Opp Ang Mo Kio Stn" (8), "Comfort Driving Ctr" (5) and "Blk 151" (5). Similarly, besides Ang Mo Kio Bus Interchange, the alighting activity at all bus stops is about the same.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Bus Service 25
Direction 1 - Ang Mo Kio to Bedok.
4 April 2016 (Monday)
Trip started at 9:07am, ended at approximately 10am.
- Ang Mo Kio Int: + 12 - 0 (12)
- Ang Mo Kio Stn: + 27 - 0 (39)
- Blk 586: + 5 - 0 (44)
- Blk 570: + 2 - 2 (44)
- Blk 564: + 1 - 0 (45)
- Blk 5022: + 0 - 0 (45)
- Daikin S'pore: + 0 - 2 (43)
- Blk 554: + 3 - 18 (28)
- Blk 516: + 3 - 3 (28)
- Blk 634: + 1 - 0 (29)
- Blk 627: + 7 - 0 (36)
- Blk 615: + 3 - 0 (39)
- Opp Blk 709: + 2 - 3 (38)
- Blk 1: + 3 - 2 (39)
- Opp Blk 248: + 4 - 3 (40)
- Opp Blk 241: + 1 - 0 (41)
- Opp Blk 106: + 0 - 1 (40)
- Opp Blk 169: + 1 - 4 (37)
- Bef S'pore Girls' Home: + 0 - 0 (37)
- SBST Hougang Depot: + 0 - 0 (37)
- Aft Kim Chuan Rd: + 0 - 0 (37)
- Bef Airport Rd: + 0 - 0 (37)
- Opp Comfort Driving Ctr: + 2 - 5 (34)
- Eunos Technolink: + 1 - 14 (21)
- Blk 637: + 1 - 6 (16)
- Eunos Mans: + 3 - 0 (19)
- Opp Blk 16: + 2 - 0 (21)
- Opp Eunos Stn: + 0 - 3 (18)
- Casa Sarina: + 0 - 0 (18)
- Opp Hong San Si Tp: + 1 - 0 (19)
- Kembangan Stn: + 10 - 9 (20)
- Opp Perpetual Succour Ch: + 0 - 0 (20)
- Chai Chee Ind Pk: + 0 - 7 (13)
- Blk 32: + 0 - 4 (9)
- Bedok Int: + 0 - 9 (0)
Note: Towards the end, from "Opp Eunos Stn" to "Bedok Int", I may be wrong.
Most people board the bus at "Ang Mo Kio Stn" (27), "Ang Mo Kio Int" (12) and "Kembangan Stn" (10).
Most people alight from the bus at "Blk 554" (18), "Eunos Technolink" (14), "Kembangan Stn" (9) and "Bedok Int" (9).
Your loading analysis is kind of useless if you don't do it during peak hours. This is because you will never understand the true utilitiy of a service if you joyride off peak. sv 25 has packed buses during peak hours which is 7-830am in both directions in AM. PM peak is from 5-630pm.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Your loading analysis is kind of useless if you don't do it during peak hours. This is because you will never understand the true utilitiy of a service if you joyride off peak. sv 25 has packed buses during peak hours which is 7-830am in both directions in AM. PM peak is from 5-630pm.
The problem is that during peak hours, there's a lot of people, that it is very hard to count, especially at bus stops with many people alighting and/or boarding, especially if the bus is a double decker - like how are you going to move around up and down to check whether the total number is correct.
I feel that the loading pattern is the same across the day. While it is easier to count during non-peak hours, I can get an idea on the origins and destinations that are popular along the bus route. To get an idea of the peak hour loading, I "multiply" the non-peak hours loading - it's as simple as that; if during non-peak hours the bus already has up to forty people, then it's quite likely that during peak hour the bus would have around eighty people (full load on single decker, 60% load on double decker).
Originally posted by gekpohboy:The problem is that during peak hours, there's a lot of people, that it is very hard to count, especially at bus stops with many people alighting and/or boarding, especially if the bus is a double decker - like how are you going to move around up and down to check whether the total number is correct.
I feel that the loading pattern is the same across the day. While it is easier to count during non-peak hours, I can get an idea on the origins and destinations that are popular along the bus route. To get an idea of the peak hour loading, I "multiply" the non-peak hours loading - it's as simple as that; if during non-peak hours the bus already has up to forty people, then it's quite likely that during peak hour the bus would have around eighty people (full load on single decker, 60% load on double decker).
Hi mr gekpohboy, I have to agree with mr busanalyser. Loading pattern is not the same across the day. Peak hours will be better reflection of the 'worthiness' of a bus service. Cheers. Thanks.