Svc 4 should add 1 more split DD..weekend also cannot be fully 5 SDs..should have 2 full day DDs.Many new india born citizens board this svc through and flow from Flora to Tampines.
Loading on Service 132 (SBS3218X, DD)
0831H
Hougang Ave 2 - 37 (4/0)
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 - 38 (3/-2), 40 (13/-11), 38 (2/-4), 33 (1/-6), 38 (5/0), 41 (5/-2), 44 (4/-1), 37 (10/-17), 36 (6/-7), 38 (6/-4), 41 (5/-2), 50 (11/-2)
Ang Mo Kio Ave 1 - 53 (5/-2), 58 (5/0)
Upp Thomson Rd - 60 (2/0), 64 (3/0), 63 (0/-1), 61 (1/-3), 53 (0/-8), 52 (5/-6), 49 (1/-4), 42 (0/-7), 42 (0/0)
Thomson Rd - 41 (0/-1), 37 (0/-4), 34 (0/-3), 34 (0/0), 34 (0/0)
Whitley Rd - 33 (0/-1), 33 (0/0), 33 (0/-2), 35 (3/-1) [I alighted here]
0921H
Highest Loading: 64
Bus in front: 17 to 22 mins
Bus behind: -1 to 8 mins, 17-19 mins
Remarks:
- SBS6649R overtook the bus at Aft Thomson CC bus stop
- This bus overtook SBS6649R at Catholic JC bus stop
- SBS6649R overtook the bus at Aft Tanglin CC bus stop
- This bus was called in from OCC to speed up along Upp Thomson Rd
- Frequencies on this service needs to be more careful maintained
2 x12e bus towards Chinatown spotted at bugis with 4-5 paxes each bus between 930-950am today.
SG5883 on 147e with 2 paxes on upper deck and 3 paxes on lower deck at SGH bus stop
Originally posted by lemon1974:2 x12e bus towards Chinatown spotted at bugis with 4-5 paxes each bus between 930-950am today.
SG5883 on 147e with 2 paxes on upper deck and 3 paxes on lower deck at SGH bus stop
Wakakaka,For the time being these 2 service ought to use majority SD
Originally posted by lemon1974:2 x12e bus towards Chinatown spotted at bugis with 4-5 paxes each bus between 930-950am today.
SG5883 on 147e with 2 paxes on upper deck and 3 paxes on lower deck at SGH bus stop
Not enough publicity is done. The advantages of the routes are not reaching out to passengers.
When I mean good publicity I mean things like HK does, where posters begin right at the top with things like "TKO TO SHATIN DIRECT IN 20 MINUTES" in big red font.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Not enough publicity is done. The advantages of the routes are not reaching out to passengers.
When I mean good publicity I mean things like HK does, where posters begin right at the top with things like "TKO TO SHATIN DIRECT IN 20 MINUTES" in big red font.
Express sectors also not that much and the low frequencies...
Maybe 15 mins during peak hours and 25 mins off peak should be better.
Public holidays can maintain 25 mins
Originally posted by carbikebus:Express sectors also not that much and the low frequencies...
problem is the catchment area.... dun think there are much long distance paxes to Chinatown... even for am peak... and there are MRT as well... unlike those CDS/premium to Shenton Way....
Originally posted by lemon1974:2 x12e bus towards Chinatown spotted at bugis with 4-5 paxes each bus between 930-950am today.
SG5883 on 147e with 2 paxes on upper deck and 3 paxes on lower deck at SGH bus stop
147e is a bus service that replaces CT28. These people staying in NUH, Clementi and Buona Vista can really benefit from having 147 semi-express sector to Chinatown.
12e is a bus service that replaces parts of 518. but is another 518 case whereby no passenger will board at Bugis to Chinatown.
One thing for sure. the local sector no one will board. only the express sector to another place.
Originally posted by lemon1974:2 x12e bus towards Chinatown spotted at bugis with 4-5 paxes each bus between 930-950am today.
SG5883 on 147e with 2 paxes on upper deck and 3 paxes on lower deck at SGH bus stop
Hi mr lemon1974, most people will opt for mrt as a faster mode of travel rather than service 12e or 147e. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr lemon1974, most people will opt for mrt as a faster mode of travel rather than service 12e or 147e. Cheers. Thanks.
Those service are meant for mrt breakdown or regulars who don’t pay a bit to get seated
Can't speak for 147e, but I took 12e the other day
Run time from Tampines to Outram is about 60mins, but most drivers can hit it in 50mins.
From Tampines to Bedok South about 15mins
From Bedok South to Bugis is 10mins
From Bugis to Outram is 25 mins (for some reason)
12e is only useful until Bugis during off peak. Anywhere beyond there, just take the MRT
Originally posted by carbikebus:Express sectors also not that much and the low frequencies...
Not rly uh, 12e counted q fast alr actl. The low freq shouldn't be a problem w the bus app and ppl could plan their journey beforehand.
Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:Can't speak for 147e, but I took 12e the other day
Run time from Tampines to Outram is about 60mins, but most drivers can hit it in 50mins.
From Tampines to Bedok South about 15mins
From Bedok South to Bugis is 10mins
From Bugis to Outram is 25 mins (for some reason)
12e is only useful until Bugis during off peak. Anywhere beyond there, just take the MRT
Yea but you forget that Bugis to Chinatown/CQ takes shorter (max 15 min) and these are also the places where they would in fact have to travel further on the MRT, having to detour down to Outram and change to NEL. This is where 12e serves its purpose beyond Bugis.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr lemon1974, most people will opt for mrt as a faster mode of travel rather than service 12e or 147e. Cheers. Thanks.
Rly?? How sure are you that many are even informed of the choices offered?
Originally posted by lemon1974:problem is the catchment area.... dun think there are much long distance paxes to Chinatown... even for am peak... and there are MRT as well... unlike those CDS/premium to Shenton Way....
147e deserves to be extended tbf..
The problem with publicity here in SG is that the element of time is not highlighted sufficiently to give commuters an idea of how much time they could have saved.
Take into example the posters for the RWS express services in 2010. Sure, it's great they printed in block that it's an express svc that brings them direct to RWS — but how long will it take? Compared to the MRT how much faster is it?
The other factor is the lack of ability to highlight key catchment areas. Is RWS the only place the svc plies? How about HBF? I would daresay more people would go to HBF than RWS at any time actl. Similarly with 12e, do people know that this bus' first stop after ECP is right in the heart of Bugis?
If these can be done correctly these svcs will be like hotcakes among people. I recently took 963R, HBF to Clementi took a stunning 15 mins, whereas the MRT would've taken almost twice of that time (incl xfer at Outram). To ensure that LTA's recent efforts can pay off the extra mile to keep typical commuters informed must be taken.
^I feel that traffic plays a part here as well.
My 25min benchmark came from the fact that the bus encounter multiple red lights which could add to the travel time, so your 15min timing could be believable. Also observed heavy jams along Rochor Rd which 12e can get easily stuck on.
But I also felt the runtime is too generous
The bus I took left SGH at 0915 and reach Tamp by 1005. Runtime allocated between the 2 stops is 60mins
Bus behind the one I took should reach SGH by 0935, and it arrives at Tamp at 1020. Given the 60mins runtime, LTA intended that bus to reach by 1035.
Potentially, one can run the full route from Pasir Ris to Kampong Bahru within an hour (or even less). All of these are subjected to traffic conditions.
Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:^I feel that traffic plays a part here as well.
My 25min benchmark came from the fact that the bus encounter multiple red lights which could add to the travel time, so your 15min timing could be believable. Also observed heavy jams along Rochor Rd which 12e can get easily stuck on.
But I also felt the runtime is too generous
The bus I took left SGH at 0915 and reach Tamp by 1005. Runtime allocated between the 2 stops is 60mins
Bus behind the one I took should reach SGH by 0935, and it arrives at Tamp at 1020. Given the 60mins runtime, LTA intended that bus to reach by 1035.
Potentially, one can run the full route from Pasir Ris to Kampong Bahru within an hour (or even less). All of these are subjected to traffic conditions.
Hi mr ButIAmAToilet, it is not only traffic which plays a part. Even the bus drivers need to stick to a certain timing. They cannot be too slow or too fast. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Rly?? How sure are you that many are even informed of the choices offered?
Hi mr SMB128B, even if they are informed of alternative services, many will still want to take mrt as they view bus as not only a slower alternative but one which is subjective to unpredictable transport situations. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Not rly uh, 12e counted q fast alr actl. The low freq shouldn't be a problem w the bus app and ppl could plan their journey beforehand.
travel time one issue. i think the major issue is the demand to/from chinatown from bedok/simei/pasir ris... especially during off peak (with MRT as the alternative) .. definitely not worthy of DDs. even for peak hours, also less demand. they can use SD on 12e... for 147e, not so sure though cos seldom observe...
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB128B, even if they are informed of alternative services, many will still want to take mrt as they view bus as not only a slower alternative but one which is subjective to unpredictable transport situations. Cheers. Thanks.
Not so comparatively unpredictable anymore when the MRT now isn't anywhere better.. If anything they could even be less reliable than buses
And how are buses actually slower when clearly these particular routes have been PROVEN to be faster? Don't just assume how people think. If anything, what most think may actually surprise you. Just as how 129 did to you in the past.
Originally posted by lemon1974:travel time one issue. i think the major issue is the demand to/from chinatown from bedok/simei/pasir ris... especially during off peak (with MRT as the alternative) .. definitely not worthy of DDs. even for peak hours, also less demand. they can use SD on 12e... for 147e, not so sure though cos seldom observe...
I have always been in agreement of a full SDs fleet for 12e for the time being, from the beginning. My concern is that the current pitiful 12e demand shouldn't happen given the route's great potential that have been far from realised.
It takes 10 minutes from TJC to Bugis. What this means is that the JC people's fav landmarks such as NLB, malls there and Haji Lane would have been much more accessible, where MRT would've taken at least 35 mins with transfers to bus. Yet, why after the major celebrations in campus, not a single student boards it? Price isn't a factor as trust me, that's the least of concerns for the milllenial students of today.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Not so comparatively unpredictable anymore when the MRT now isn't anywhere better.. If anything they could even be less reliable than buses
And how are buses actually slower when clearly these particular routes have been PROVEN to be faster? Don't just assume how people think. If anything, what most think may actually surprise you. Just as how 129 did to you in the past.
Hi mr SMB128B, just ask any 10 people out there (not those in bus forums) and most will tell you they will rather take MRT than 12E. The perception that bus routes are lengthy are stuck in people minds and will not go away even if you take the kind intention to explain to them. Most people are already used to MRT with the Station names being the only thing they need to remember rather than the bus stop and road names. Cheers. Thanks.
I'm a somewhat frequent user of 12e as I use it for my commute from my school in the east to New Bridge Rd sometimes, and from what I observe, it takes me on average 10+ minutes longer to get to Chinatown via 12e as compared to DTL, which by itself is a 30 minutes journey. Not too bad I would say, if I'm not in a rush. Also noted that people take 12e as an alternative to 12 between Pasir Ris and Tanah Merah MRT and from TNM to Bedok South. On average there would be like 10-15 pax on board but by the time the bus touches ECP, the number of pax would have already halved (usually most of the pax who board 12e at Pasir Ris, Tampines or Simei would have alighted at Bedok South). At Bugis Junction, most of the remaining pax would have alighted leaving me as the only pax on board. From Bugis to Kampong Bahru, the bus would practically be running empty.
Personally, I would say the main factor that puts me off from taking 12e excluding travel time and fare is its low frequency (if I miss the bus I might as well take DTL than wait another 20-30 mins).