Loading level on buses (Part 2)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading on svc 103 @ 1623 from Serangoon Interchange 3215D DD
Serangoon Interchange -- 41 (0/41)
Upper Serangoon Road -- 44 (0/3), 44 (0/3)
Boundary Road -- 46 (0/2)
YCK Link -- 47 (0/1)
YCK Road -- 47 (0/0), 47 (0/0), 43 (-5/1), 39 (-6/2), 36 (-5/2), 36 (-2/2) bef AMK Ave 5, 38 (0/2), 38 (0/2), 34 (-4/0), 33 (-4/3)
SKG West Rd / Jalan Kayu -- 33 (0/0), 33 (0/0), 27 (-9/3), 25 (-4/2), 23 (-2/0)
Seletar Circus -- 15 (-10/2)
SAP -- 16 (0/1), 14 (-2/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 16 (0/2), 16 (0/0)
Yishun Ave 8 -- 16 (0/0)
Yishun Ave 11 -- 13 (-8/5), 16 (-1/4)
Yishun Central -- 14 (-2/0), 14 (-5/5)
Yishun Ave 2 -- 11 (-3/0), 02 (-9/0)
* Departed at 1623, reached YTBI at 1726. Departed again from YTBI @ 1741.
* At all times, upper deck was more utilized than lower deck as most people take 103 for long distance travel, but at this timing the DD is just NOT justified.
* I was told that 445pm-5pm is peak for SAP, but it didnt seem so as all bus stops in both directions had <5 pax. Is SAP on holiday??
* AM trip may have super high loading because of shift timing, but PM loading is quite poor for all buses observed in SAP area on both 103 and 117
* Not sure 103 needs any DDs for PM but if they want to deploy, its nice to get the views of Yishun dam (super scenic).
peak for West Camp (Fokker and Hawker Pacific) is 1715-1745, rest of SAP is at the 3215 trip at 1741 from yishun
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Today 103 got another DD, 3258E on some slot behind 8359P
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Loading observed for 2+ hours for 243G. 10 buses (6 DDs, 4 SDs).
Heavy loading starts at 545pm and was still high at 710 pm.
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Originally posted by bus555:
Today 103 got another DD, 3258E on some slot behind 8359P
Got 3,SBS3471E
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Bus in front = 04 min, bunched with the rigid at stop aft av 11 towards Yishun interchange. Bus behind = 03 min (rigid).
As you can see from loading, the upper deck got v well utilized on this bus but not until the bus stop aft st 51. Most people were lower deck who boarded near northlight and before. But at st 51 around 30 pax came to upper deck.
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Originally posted by bus555:
Today 103 got another DD, 3258E on some slot behind 8359P
cameo
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normally, service 103 DDs are cameos, only 1 bus is perm, but there has been occurances of up to 5 DDs on 103 in a day. Those are usually PM Split swaps as some other buses go for maintenance
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For hgdep103 - the main loading comes at Seletar Circus where +40 pax boarded. Around 20 pax alighted there as well. Overall, no alighting activity all the way until Jalan Kayu. Most long distance pax from Serangoon/YCK Road to Seletar Circus/SAP. Only 7 pax go further to Yishun. Again around 40 pax board at stop along Yishun ave 11 after ave 1. There was MANA95 on 850E in front that was fully seated (just in 2 stops).
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PM loading on 243W very different from 243G. I would recommend that for PM 243G is full fleet DD whereas 243W can do with full fleet SD. In AM, good to have DDs on both 243G/W. The average loading on 243W was 43 pax, and there was a bus on average every 03 mins. Too much IMO!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:For hgdep103 - the main loading comes at Seletar Circus where +40 pax boarded. Around 20 pax alighted there as well. Overall, no alighting activity all the way until Jalan Kayu. Most long distance pax from Serangoon/YCK Road to Seletar Circus/SAP. Only 7 pax go further to Yishun. Again around 40 pax board at stop along Yishun ave 11 after ave 1. There was MANA95 on 850E in front that was fully seated (just in 2 stops).
� thanks for observing... 80+ pax possibly becos DD on time or front bus late. most of the time can hit 100
also this loading shows that SD cannot fetch all passengers, even though this is not a situation of extremely high loading (probably caused by slower boarding/alighting of ppl squeezing onto the SD bus)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For hgdep103 - the main loading comes at Seletar Circus where +40 pax boarded. Around 20 pax alighted there as well. Overall, no alighting activity all the way until Jalan Kayu. Most long distance pax from Serangoon/YCK Road to Seletar Circus/SAP. Only 7 pax go further to Yishun. Again around 40 pax board at stop along Yishun ave 11 after ave 1. There was MANA95 on 850E in front that was fully seated (just in 2 stops).
this also shows evidence of high loading activities which occasionally cause ppl to be unable to board at the stops along jln kayu before seletar circus. Thanks
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Originally posted by hgdep103:
� thanks for observing... 80+ pax possibly becos DD on time or front bus late. most of the time can hit 100
also this loading shows that SD cannot fetch all passengers, even though this is not a situation of extremely high loading (probably caused by slower boarding/alighting of ppl squeezing onto the SD bus)
should consider sv 103M loop at West Camp or extend sv 102. -
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
should consider sv 103M loop at West Camp or extend sv 102.morning peak 103A from Blk 953 to Bef Shell Aviation can alr
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
should consider sv 103M loop at West Camp or extend sv 102.No need extend 102 as demand is for certain timings only. The thing I now noticed about SAP is that people work in shifts. So there is huge loading for certain shift timings and almost no loading at other times and the area is like ghost town with empty bus stops and buses.
hgdep103 has a good suggestion to do a SWT for those timings or crossover AM DDs.
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For whosoever interested, below is the loading of 3-83-85 PM peak from 520-720 pm at Punggol. Most svc 83 buses left interchange with less than 40 pax = 9/14 buses. Only 2 buses got more than 60 pax departing Punggol, one was svc 3 and one was svc 83. It is for all to see the grossly wasted resources on Punggol services. Both 83 & 85 are full fleet DD and there is a bus for Punggol Central (last 2 stops) every 03 minutes. For the first 2 stops there is also 136 and 386. PM me if you want further details on rego number etc. for the survey. The numbers in black bold is average per bus during the 10 minute time interval.
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The crazy AM loading at Joo Koon for 254/255... 253/257 have similar fate at the other berth. PM loading is more spread out where you don't see such high loading >90 pax since shift end times are different.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For whosoever interested, below is the loading of 3-83-85 PM peak from 520-720 pm at Punggol. Most svc 83 buses left interchange with less than 40 pax = 9/14 buses. Only 2 buses got more than 60 pax departing Punggol, one was svc 3 and one was svc 83. It is for all to see the grossly wasted resources on Punggol services. Both 83 & 85 are full fleet DD and there is a bus for Punggol Central (last 2 stops) every 03 minutes. For the first 2 stops there is also 136 and 386. PM me if you want further details on rego number etc. for the survey. The numbers in black bold is average per bus during the 10 minute time interval.
Hi mr busanalyser, yes I am interested. I agree with few statements made and also disagree with few statements too. The so called 'grossly wasted resources on Punggol services' only can agree half. This statement arises because they change 83/85 from SD to almost Full DD for 83 and totally full DD for 85. So we can only agree the statement applies for 83 and 85 only.
Why the service provider change it to Almost Full DD for 83? Nobody knows why the decision was given. At sbst times, 83 was full SD. On date of transfer to Go Ahead, it suddenly become Full DD. Because of this, people and bus critics say 83 is over-pampered. And also because of this, people may think Punggol services waste resources. But this only applies to 83 and 85.
Why the service provider change it to Full DD for 85? This we only half know. At sbst times, 85 was full SD until one day when Sengkang west MP asks LTA to change it to have SOME DDs due to the increasing demand due to increasing flats along Sengkang west. At that time, only some DDs for 85 were activated. Nobody knows why it becomes full DDs when transferred to Go Ahead.
Above scenario explains wasted resources only apply to few services like 83 and 85.
For the next statement of 'there is a bus for Punggol central (last 2 stops) every 3 min', please take it with a pinch of salt. Firstly, it will be true only for peak hours. Secondly, in many cases, when it comes, 3/83/85 tend to turn up (at Punggol central last 2 stops) together around same time with tolerance of +/-3 min. If you miss that, it will not be another 3 min. You have to wait for the next cluster of buses 3/83/85. If it is off peak, it is even longer.
On the same side, 3/83/85 is facing increasing frequency of being hampered badly along Punggol central last 2 stops all the way to Punggol east to turn to Punggol field (for 3/83) and go straight to Sengkang east (for 85) early in the morning. Heavy jams for many cars going to one-lane temporary exit to TPE/KPE by slip road happens every weekday morning. This results in the lengthening time for 3/83/85 along Punggol central last 2 stops and all the routes for 3/83/85 after that. So do all of you still think you get a bus every 3 min along Punggol central last 2 stops? Even if you manage to get it sometimes at peak hours, think of the journey after the last 2 stops! Cheers. Thanks.
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Only BCs of 3,83,85 knew how suffer it is..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Only BCs of 3,83,85 knew how suffer it is..
Hi mr carbikebus, the jam is 2-prone.
1st) Punggol central (last 2 stops) stretch to Punggol east to Slip road to TPE/KPE for cars. This affects 3/50/83/85.
2nd) Punggol field (junction of blk 173D to whole stretch near Punggol plaza) stretch to Punggol east to slip road to TPE/KPE for cars. This affects 3/62/83/386.
So this affects peak hours every morning. So expect journeys to be longer.
Out of all these services plus all other services in Punggol, service 3 journey time is the hardest hit. After clearing this, service 3 drives out to TPE and gets hit again by the slow staggering traffic even if without major jam.
Service 3 gets a double whammy. Hit at both stages. Good luck for passengers and bus captains of service 3 too. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, yes I am interested. I agree with few statements made and also disagree with few statements too. The so called 'grossly wasted resources on Punggol services' only can agree half. This statement arises because they change 83/85 from SD to almost Full DD for 83 and totally full DD for 85. So we can only agree the statement applies for 83 and 85 only.
Why the service provider change it to Almost Full DD for 83? Nobody knows why the decision was given. At sbst times, 83 was full SD. On date of transfer to Go Ahead, it suddenly become Full DD. Because of this, people and bus critics say 83 is over-pampered. And also because of this, people may think Punggol services waste resources. But this only applies to 83 and 85.
Why the service provider change it to Full DD for 85? This we only half know. At sbst times, 85 was full SD until one day when Sengkang west MP asks LTA to change it to have SOME DDs due to the increasing demand due to increasing flats along Sengkang west. At that time, only some DDs for 85 were activated. Nobody knows why it becomes full DDs when transferred to Go Ahead.
Above scenario explains wasted resources only apply to few services like 83 and 85.
For the next statement of 'there is a bus for Punggol central (last 2 stops) every 3 min', please take it with a pinch of salt. Firstly, it will be true only for peak hours. Secondly, in many cases, when it comes, 3/83/85 tend to turn up (at Punggol central last 2 stops) together around same time with tolerance of +/-3 min. If you miss that, it will not be another 3 min. You have to wait for the next cluster of buses 3/83/85. If it is off peak, it is even longer.
On the same side, 3/83/85 is facing increasing frequency of being hampered badly along Punggol central last 2 stops all the way to Punggol east to turn to Punggol field (for 3/83) and go straight to Sengkang east (for 85) early in the morning. Heavy jams for many cars going to one-lane temporary exit to TPE/KPE by slip road happens every weekday morning. This results in the lengthening time for 3/83/85 along Punggol central last 2 stops and all the routes for 3/83/85 after that. So do all of you still think you get a bus every 3 min along Punggol central last 2 stops? Even if you manage to get it sometimes at peak hours, think of the journey after the last 2 stops! Cheers. Thanks.
Yes I am referring to the same. Wasted resources on 83/85. On an average there should be a bus every 03 minutes, but if 3/83/85 come together, no one can do anything about it. Even if you add another two services, all 5 can come together and still waiting time would be 10 min.
I would prefer GA put DDs on svc 3 than 83 because at least you have long distance travelers. 83 upper deck empty because lower deck also got only 20-30 pax.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Yes I am referring to the same. Wasted resources on 83/85. On an average there should be a bus every 03 minutes, but if 3/83/85 come together, no one can do anything about it. Even if you add another two services, all 5 can come together and still waiting time would be 10 min.
I would prefer GA put DDs on svc 3 than 83 because at least you have long distance travelers. 83 upper deck empty because lower deck also got only 20-30 pax.
Hi mr busanalyser, yes I agree with DDs on 3 than 83. The authorities who make the decision maybe has his own way of thinking. What commoners like us cannot do anything but just whine about it in forums. Cheers. Thanks.
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Current DDs on Svc 3 is more than enough..at the rate of the frequency
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Loading analysis on bus service 129, from Tampines to Whampoa
Date: Thursday, 9 February 2017
Time: 5:32pm to 6:39pm
Bus: SG1111U; Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Highest loading: 50
Lowest loading: 0
Average loading: 15.6
Highest boarding was observed at "Temasek Poly" bus stop (+26).
Highest alighting was observed at "Opp Bartley Stn" bus stop (-27).
Generally, this bus service is for Temasek Poly students.
There are around 10 passengers from Tampines who take it to Toa Payoh, for whatever reason I don't know.
The section at Jalan Bahagia and Jalan Tenteram is redundant, honestly, as there was already bus service 21, although they could have introduced a new feeder for that area from Toa Payoh instead.
With 33 bus stops, I feel that the route is very long. Considering the loading above average is concentrated between Tampines Avenue 1 and Balestier Road, I would recommend that the bus take a shorter route before and after that section.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Loading analysis on bus service 129, from Tampines to Whampoa
Date: Thursday, 9 February 2017
Time: 5:32pm to 6:39pm
Bus: SG1111U; Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Highest loading: 50
Lowest loading: 0
Average loading: 15.6
Highest boarding was observed at "Temasek Poly" bus stop (+26).
Highest alighting was observed at "Opp Bartley Stn" bus stop (-27).
Generally, this bus service is for Temasek Poly students.
There are around 10 passengers from Tampines who take it to Toa Payoh, for whatever reason I don't know.
The section at Jalan Bahagia and Jalan Tenteram is redundant, honestly, as there was already bus service 21, although they could have introduced a new feeder for that area from Toa Payoh instead.
With 33 bus stops, I feel that the route is very long. Considering the loading above average is concentrated between Tampines Avenue 1 and Balestier Road, I would recommend that the bus take a shorter route before and after that section.
Loading is not bad considering it is still a new service. With time more people will take it from Bartley/TPY to Tampines. For Jalan Tenteram, there is 21 but 129 connect to TPY - no connection today. 139M is redundant now given there is 129 and 139, 139M can be withdrawn.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, yes I agree with DDs on 3 than 83. The authorities who make the decision maybe has his own way of thinking. What commoners like us cannot do anything but just whine about it in forums. Cheers. Thanks.
Yes that's why we have this forum