Loading level on buses (Part 2)
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
If 83, 85 and 119 can further reduce DDs (but not too many for 85), then GA can get rid of the 33xx DDs. BCs can also not have to drive such a big DD bus with engine (or gear, I don't know) over-restricted.
43M can cut 1 bus.
GA doesn't see a problem with those buses.
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i wonder why there is no DD bus deployed during peck hours for 851??? see so many unused DD in the storage.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
SBST deployed 216 SDs and 101-102 DDs excluding spare on Loyang package routes. GA deployed at least 160 DDs.
On the other hand, SBST deployed 216 SDs but GA only has 201 SDs.
If 3 has good frequency (<10 mins) and good number of DDs (40%), 83 can go back to full SD like SBST times, given that they duplicate each other like crazy, and there isn't enough demand from Sengkang side alone to warrant DDs.
3 or 83 DDs must never trail <5 mins behind another 3 or 83 bus.
Hi mr sbs3004X, you cannot say 3 and 83 duplicate each other like crazy. Having 2 bus services along certain sectors of the route is quite normal. They also serve many other objectives which you may not know. Take note waiting for 83 is much easier than 3 on return trips to punggol. Many people waited at bus stop 65071 (opp blk 103 along punggol rd) to go inside Punggol field/east/central for service 3 and 83 and will board either one which comes first. However, they (including me) are frustrated by 3 (due to TPE unpredictability and roundabout route in pasir ris). 83 is more consistent. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Fitishi65:
GA doesn't see a problem with those buses.
No one here sees a problem with those
buses. Oh wait, maybe YOU are the
problem. Hi mr Fitishi65, I think the trend now is more towards Double deck bus. Sooner or later in yrs to come, single deck bus will be a minority. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Fitishi65, I think the trend now is more towards Double deck bus. Sooner or later in yrs to come, single deck bus will be a minority. Cheers. Thanks.
6.9 million leh. SDs will be a nightmare. MRT 3-4 car only. Wa piang eh! -
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
6.9 million leh. SDs will be a nightmare. MRT 3-4 car only. Wa piang eh!Hi mr sbs6750E, I prefer they put more DDs even on bus services with only SD loading. This is because I feel the squeeze among passengers on SD. Sometimes SD have full seating plus some people who are standing. End up more people boarded and some alight at various stops. You often get into chances where people tell you to 'excuse me' when you are standing and also you are sitting.
Worse is you thought you have finished enduring the first trip. However when you transfer to another SD, the same thing comes again. Sort of make your bus journey tiring.
Hoeever, when on DDs, all these scenarios I mention above do not come into play most of the times. This is purely my observance from a public transport guy who takes buses daily. For those who drive car often, they may not feel it this way and will love to have exact loading for SD and DD which I think will not materialize in crowded Singapore. Just my two cents worth. Cheers and thanks.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
i wonder why there is no DD bus deployed during peck hours for 851??? see so many unused DD in the storage.
They want also buey tahan. SMRT will change its mind to allow all routes to be double decker. 40 bendies stay if not waste money. 1 bendy can go private hire, 8 bendies can go Phuket, 10 bendies can go Bangkok and the remaining 22 can keep for service 858.
I'm wondering SMRT had took the wrong decision since 1995.
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My humble contribution to this thread:
Svc 979 @ about 5 pm:
Junction 10: approx 20 passengers on the bus
CCK Dr: -2
CCK N5: +3
(A 302 SD follows this bus into CCK St 52, but everyone boards this bus anyway)
CCK St 52: -1/+3, -2/+5
(So far everyone who alighted boarded the bus at Bukit Panjang)
Yew Tee MRT: -20/+20 approximately, about 5 who boarded the bus at Bt Panjang remain on the bus
(The 302 SD is right behind, followed by a 302 Bendy bus ...)
Hope this gives everyone a sense of how many passengers take 979 between Yew Tee and Bukit Panjang!
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr sbs6750E, I prefer they put more DDs even on bus services with only SD loading. This is because I feel the squeeze among passengers on SD. Sometimes SD have full seating plus some people who are standing. End up more people boarded and some alight at various stops. You often get into chances where people tell you to 'excuse me' when you are standing and also you are sitting.
Worse is you thought you have finished enduring the first trip. However when you transfer to another SD, the same thing comes again. Sort of make your bus journey tiring.
Hoeever, when on DDs, all these scenarios I mention above do not come into play most of the times. This is purely my observance from a public transport guy who takes buses daily. For those who drive car often, they may not feel it this way and will love to have exact loading for SD and DD which I think will not materialize in crowded Singapore. Just my two cents worth. Cheers and thanks.
So you want every svc got DD ah? Routes like 11, 42, 84, 191, 200, 825, 882 and 926 also ah? Sir, I take public transport everyday also hor. Yes, you can deploy DDs on every svc, but do it on 2030, when the population reaches 6.9 million. If every svc got DD now, your bus fare increase by 3 times leh. You want ah? -
I like to drive svc with 60% DD and 40% SD
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I like to drive svc with 60% DD and 40% SD
518 lor. Closest liao. -
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
So you want every svc got DD ah? Routes like 11, 42, 84, 191, 200, 825, 882 and 926 also ah? Sir, I take public transport everyday also hor. Yes, you can deploy DDs on every svc, but do it on 2030, when the population reaches 6.9 million. If every svc got DD now, your bus fare increase by 3 times leh. You want ah?Hi mr sbs6750E, I prefer they put more DDs. Not I want every service got DDs. In years to come, I PREDICT majority DDs, minority SDs. As for bus fares, they will increase or decrease accordingly. For me, I don't think DDs will play a major part in increasing bus fares. With or without DDs, fares increase. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
518 lor. Closest liao.Don't like 518,Fleet is now 7 DDs and 5 SDs.Maybe wait for svc 68,5 SD and 4 DD also I don't mind at all.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
So you want every svc got DD ah? Routes like 11, 42, 84, 191, 200, 825, 882 and 926 also ah? Sir, I take public transport everyday also hor. Yes, you can deploy DDs on every svc, but do it on 2030, when the population reaches 6.9 million. If every svc got DD now, your bus fare increase by 3 times leh. You want ah?882 with DDs? i think 883 better have some DDs instead.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
882 with DDs? i think 883 better have some DDs instead.
883 is like ghost bus lol. Can count the pax inside -
Originally posted by TIB 585L:
883 is like ghost bus lol. Can count the pax insideyeah now ghost bus, wait until those BTO around Canberra all ready.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
yeah now ghost bus, wait until those BTO around Canberra all ready.
The flats are all there but that area like ghost town sia -
Originally posted by orange28:
My humble contribution to this thread:
Svc 979 @ about 5 pm:
Junction 10: approx 20 passengers on the bus
CCK Dr: -2
CCK N5: +3
(A 302 SD follows this bus into CCK St 52, but everyone boards this bus anyway)
CCK St 52: -1/+3, -2/+5
(So far everyone who alighted boarded the bus at Bukit Panjang)
Yew Tee MRT: -20/+20 approximately, about 5 who boarded the bus at Bt Panjang remain on the bus
(The 302 SD is right behind, followed by a 302 Bendy bus ...)
Hope this gives everyone a sense of how many passengers take 979 between Yew Tee and Bukit Panjang!
Should try around 6-8pm where ppl go home from work.. bus can get fully packed at BPJ, about 5 pax will alight at Nth 5.. most alight at YT MRT.. left about 15+ originally from BPJ will continue to CCK Cres
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr sbs6750E, I prefer they put more DDs even on bus services with only SD loading. This is because I feel the squeeze among passengers on SD. Sometimes SD have full seating plus some people who are standing. End up more people boarded and some alight at various stops. You often get into chances where people tell you to 'excuse me' when you are standing and also you are sitting.
Worse is you thought you have finished enduring the first trip. However when you transfer to another SD, the same thing comes again. Sort of make your bus journey tiring.
Hoeever, when on DDs, all these scenarios I mention above do not come into play most of the times. This is purely my observance from a public transport guy who takes buses daily. For those who drive car often, they may not feel it this way and will love to have exact loading for SD and DD which I think will not materialize in crowded Singapore. Just my two cents worth. Cheers and thanks.
this is exactly LTA's stupid logic. routes like 82, 103, 136 with high loading does not have ant DDs, yet so many spammed on useless routes like 83 and 117
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Originally posted by hgdep103:
this is exactly LTA's stupid logic. routes like 82, 103, 136 with high loading does not have ant DDs, yet so many spammed on useless routes like 83 and 117
Hi mr hgdep103, can you do something? By the way, when launching new services? Nov is coming to an end. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by hgdep103:
this is exactly LTA's stupid logic. routes like 82, 103, 136 with high loading does not have ant DDs, yet so many spammed on useless routes like 83 and 117
113A also need, but 119 can be extended to Lor Ah Soo, then withdraw 113. LTA stupid logic again, routes like 27A, 34A and 36B need DDs, but they put on 46, 256 etc instead. -
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
113A also need, but 119 can be extended to Lor Ah Soo, then withdraw 113. LTA stupid logic again, routes like 27A, 34A and 36B need DDs, but they put on 46, 256 etc instead.I am hoping that with Sengkang and Tampines expansion, there will be new routes to supplement 27 and 34.
36B situation is more because of Rochor ramp.
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Loading on sv 38 @ 17.10 hours from Tampines Interchange
Tampines Interchange -- 26 (0/26)
Tampines Ave 7 -- 30 (0/4), 30 (-2/2), 26 (-6/2), 25 (-2/1)
Tampines Ave 2 -- 24 (-9/8)
Simei Road -- 21 (-6/3)
Simei St 1 -- 18 (-4/1), 16 (-4/2), 15 (-5/4)
Simei St 3/MRT -- 16 (-7/8)
Simei St 4 -- 14 (-4/2), 11 (-6/3)
Simei Road -- 10 (-3/2)
sv 12 DD right behind
Upper Changi Road East -- 20 (-2/12), 26 (0/6), 29 (0/3), 30 (0/1)
Tanah Merah MRT -- 34 (-16/20)
sv 12 DD behind took some pax
Bedok South Ave 3 -- 31 (-5/2)
Bedok South Road -- 27 (-4/0), 18 (-10/1), 14 (-7/3), 8 (-9/3), 10 (-1/3), 10 (0/0)
Bedok Interchange -- 00 (-10/0)
* bus in front = 08 mins, bus behind = 10 mins
* Overall loading quite poor, even though sv 38 was ahead of sv 12
* Loading in Bedok South - Bedok Interchange surprised me a lot. Maybe 229 called before but wasn't evidently seen so there must have been 3-4 mins gap
* Seems those going to MRT prefer to do Tanah Merah as expected with 12, 38 and 47.
* 38 can be re-routed to do Tampines-Changi Airport via Simei town, SUTD, Changi Court, PIE given current route between Simei and Bedok is duplicative to sv 12 and there is also sv 47 now. Since sv 229 is there, no people will get affected.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading on sv 38 @ 17.10 hours from Tampines Interchange
Tampines Interchange -- 26 (0/26)
Tampines Ave 7 -- 30 (0/4), 30 (-2/2), 26 (-6/2), 25 (-2/1)
Tampines Ave 2 -- 24 (-9/8)
Simei Road -- 21 (-6/3)
Simei St 1 -- 18 (-4/1), 16 (-4/2), 15 (-5/4)
Simei St 3/MRT -- 16 (-7/8)
Simei St 4 -- 14 (-4/2), 11 (-6/3)
Simei Road -- 10 (-3/2)
sv 12 DD right behind
Upper Changi Road East -- 20 (-2/12), 26 (0/6), 29 (0/3), 30 (0/1)
Tanah Merah MRT -- 34 (-16/20)
sv 12 DD behind took some pax
Bedok South Ave 3 -- 31 (-5/2)
Bedok South Road -- 27 (-4/0), 18 (-10/1), 14 (-7/3), 8 (-9/3), 10 (-1/3), 10 (0/0)
Bedok Interchange -- 00 (-10/0)
* bus in front = 08 mins, bus behind = 10 mins
* Overall loading quite poor, even though sv 38 was ahead of sv 12
* Loading in Bedok South - Bedok Interchange surprised me a lot. Maybe 229 called before but wasn't evidently seen so there must have been 3-4 mins gap
* Seems those going to MRT prefer to do Tanah Merah as expected with 12, 38 and 47.
* 38 can be re-routed to do Tampines-Changi Airport via Simei town, SUTD, Changi Court, PIE given current route between Simei and Bedok is duplicative to sv 12 and there is also sv 47 now. Since sv 229 is there, no people will get affected.
Who says Simei Street 1 or 4 cannot have double deckers? There is service 20 now. 38 is the one who do not need these double deckers.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
So you want every svc got DD ah? Routes like 11, 42, 84, 191, 200, 825, 882 and 926 also ah? Sir, I take public transport everyday also hor. Yes, you can deploy DDs on every svc, but do it on 2030, when the population reaches 6.9 million. If every svc got DD now, your bus fare increase by 3 times leh. You want ah?No, slowly do bit by bit. Service 42 cannot use DD because of the steep slope at Opera Estate and because there are people still rely on car.