960 lost some bendy buses to 856 but add rigid instead
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Thursday evening observation of frequencies at Whitley Road bus stop
Timing: 18.10 - 19.20 hours
190 - consistently arriving between 03-04 mins per bus. On average buses had around 60-80 pax.
972 - frequency quite abrupt between 04-12 mins per bus. Quite a bit of bunching. On average buses had around 60-80 pax.
960 - frequency is around 07 mins interval when A22, and around 14-16 mins when E500 or bendy. On average A22s had around 50-60 pax and DDs/bendies had around 60-70 pax. Not so bad still but observed opposite direction most buses had <20 pax. Also note frequency has reduced. Is 960 still operating with 30-32 buses? I doubt so.
700 - frequency around 10-16 mins. Buses had seated loading around 40-50 pax per bus.
190 & 972 got good loadings despite reducing 1 duty each(Less bunchings).700 i only managed to see Kjdep buses so far..Only peak hours can see standees.960 i also dont think got 31 buses its more like 28-29 buses with at least 10-11 SDs runnings.171 loadings from Bt Timah to Orchard also not that high.From Yishun to Bukit Panjang still maintain high loadings especially peak hours.167 now quite stable with an additional of another Amdep full day duty but peak hours continue to struggling due to no high capacity buses.
Have anyone done a loading test on SBS 23? This particular bus service seems to be persistently overcrowded, during morning peak and evening peak.
Every morning, SBS 3899E at 7:50am will always be very packed.
Evening even worse, cannot even board at Infineon, and Jalan Kolam Ayer Industry Estate at 6:30pm.
Today, I waited 40 minute for one around 4 / 5 pm.
Seem that no one seems to care, when this particular service is persistently worse than overcrowded trains in India.
Originally posted by SBS3298P:Have anyone done a loading test on SBS 23? This particular bus service seems to be persistently overcrowded, during morning peak and evening peak.
Every morning, SBS 3899E at 7:50am will always be very packed.
Evening even worse, cannot even board at Infineon, and Jalan Kolam Ayer Industry Estate at 6:30pm.
Today, I waited 40 minute for one around 4 / 5 pm.
Seem that no one seems to care, when this particular service is persistently worse than overcrowded trains in India.
Hi mr sbs3298P, the only thing I like about sbs 23 is it brings you from boon Keng mrt to tampines ave 1 in 15 minutes. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by SBS3298P:Have anyone done a loading test on SBS 23? This particular bus service seems to be persistently overcrowded, during morning peak and evening peak.
Every morning, SBS 3899E at 7:50am will always be very packed.
Evening even worse, cannot even board at Infineon, and Jalan Kolam Ayer Industry Estate at 6:30pm.
Today, I waited 40 minute for one around 4 / 5 pm.
Seem that no one seems to care, when this particular service is persistently worse than overcrowded trains in India.
sv 23 has heavy loading but not so heavy that you cannot board. There is a sv 23 DD every 08-10 mins and if the one you are boarding is too crowded, there maybe one just 2-3 mins behind and you will guaranteed find a seat. Happens usually because sv 23 is a loop service.
It is extremely rare to wait for 40 mins, maybe impacted by accident or something. sv 23 usually is quite reliable. Moreover, it is full fleet DD. What more can you ask!! :)
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:sv 23 has heavy loading but not so heavy that you cannot board. There is a sv 23 DD every 08-10 mins and if the one you are boarding is too crowded, there maybe one just 2-3 mins behind and you will guaranteed find a seat. Happens usually because sv 23 is a loop service.
It is extremely rare to wait for 40 mins, maybe impacted by accident or something. sv 23 usually is quite reliable. Moreover, it is full fleet DD. What more can you ask!! :)
He can ask for sv23 to be transferred to smrt. See whether A22 will be deployed or not. Lol.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:190 and 972 continue to have extremely high loading during peak hours. 700 has lost its loading completely. 960 still has decent loading during peak hours from city to BPJ and Mandai to Woodlands but opposite direction loading is miserably low.
Before downtown line, almost every 190/972 are packed. Wonder that guy who keep on complaining abt 190 still got complain or not.
Originally posted by lemon1974:He can ask for sv23 to be transferred to smrt. See whether A22 will be deployed or not. Lol.
I see that SMRT seems to be doing a better job than SBS despite their fleet having a significant proportion of low capaity bus.
Frequency of 23:
| Freq. Range | 05 - 08 minutes | 05 - 12 minutes | 06 - 09 minutes | 08 - 16 minutes |
Frequency of SMRT buses along the Bukit Panjang to Whitley Corridor, which is supplemented by the Downtown Line:
190:
Direction 1 Direction 2 |
02 - 06 minutes 05 - 13 minutes |
04 - 08 minutes 04 - 07 minutes |
04 - 08 minutes 04 - 06 minutes |
10 - 14 minutes 04 - 07 minutes |
972
| Freq. Range | 04 - 08 minutes | 04 - 11 minutes | 05 - 10 minutes | 09 - 11 minutes |
That segnment is also served by 700 and 960, a total of 4 buses.
Thus, the combined frequency of buses by SMRT along that stretch is way much better than SBS, and they even have frequency of 4 to 7 minutes at night, compared to 8 to 16 minutes for 23.
I took 190 at Whitley and to Bukit Panjang around 6:30pm even before the Downtown Line operates. Buses are very frequenty, with 960, 700 and 190 coming together and I can even find a seat on the 190 that I board.
In contrast, whether I can board 23 at Jalan Kolam Ayer at 6:30pm every day evening peak, before PIE depends a lot on whether the bus captain want to stop and open the door as buses that reach that stop at that timing are mostly crowded with passengers already standing at front door.
Have anyone done a loading check for 23 from 6:00pm to 7:30 pm at Jalan Kolam Ayer (Infineon) on normal working weekdays? if yes, can share?
Originally posted by SBS3298P:I took 190 at Whitley and to Bukit Panjang around 6:30pm even before the Downtown Line operates. Buses are very frequenty, with 960, 700 and 190 coming together and I can even find a seat on the 190 that I board.
In contrast, whether I can board 23 at Jalan Kolam Ayer at 6:30pm every day evening peak, before PIE depends a lot on whether the bus captain want to stop and open the door as buses that reach that stop at that timing are mostly crowded with passengers already standing at front door.
Maybe the opening of DTL3 (Geylang Bahru) may help to alleviate the loading.
Would there be any incentive for 5, 59, 506 to stop at either of the Jln Kolam Ayer stops, perhaps as a link to Toa Payoh and/or Bedok Reservoir? Or would it be unnecessary due to DTL3?
Originally posted by TIB 585L:960 lost some bendy buses to 856 but add rigid instead
Good,In fact weekdays should deploy 11 SDs and 9 DDs instead.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Actually SBST has slowed down upgrading/adding buses on services. Hardly any in the last quarter. Most services in my opinion are quite okay. The ones where I personally feel some upgrades (not fleet add) is required are:
5
30
43
103
109
111
181
Actually, I feel that most SBST bus services have just about the right capacity, so no need to enhance, unless got new residential development or something along the route.
So, actually, bus services like 5, 109, 111 and 181 do need fleet add.
Whereas for 30, the only new area I know is those at Taman Jurong, but then I think 49 has already provided provisions for that, so no need for any fleet-add.
Nonetheless, I agree that bus services like 43 and 103 may need fleet add in future.
Loading on bus service 83
From Punggol to Sengkang.
(Time: 5:55pm to 6:25pm)
Punggol Temp Int – 40 (0/40)
Punggol Ctrl – 16 (-33/9)
Punggol East – 18 (0/2)
Punggol Field – 31 (-7/20)
Punggol Rd – 22 (-16/7)
Compassvale St – 13 (-11/2)
Sengkang East Rd – 3 (-11/1)
Sengkang Int – 0 (-3/0)
Loading on bus service 83
From Sengkang to Punggol.
(Time: 5:23pm to 5:50pm)
Sengkang Int – 7 (0/7)
Sengkang East Rd – 12 (0/5)
Compassvale St – 10 (-3/1)
Punggol Rd – 12 (-4/6)
Punggol Field – 5 (-8/1)
Punggol East – 5 (-1/1)
Punggol Ctrl – 8 (-4/7)
Punggol Temp Int – 0 (-8/0)
Originally posted by SBS3298P:I see that SMRT seems to be doing a better job than SBS despite their fleet having a significant proportion of low capaity bus.
Frequency of 23:
Freq. Range 05 - 08 minutes 05 - 12 minutes 06 - 09 minutes 08 - 16 minutes
Frequency of SMRT buses along the Bukit Panjang to Whitley Corridor, which is supplemented by the Downtown Line:
190:
Direction 1
Direction 2
02 - 06 minutes
05 - 13 minutes
04 - 08 minutes
04 - 07 minutes
04 - 08 minutes
04 - 06 minutes
10 - 14 minutes
04 - 07 minutes972
Freq. Range 04 - 08 minutes 04 - 11 minutes 05 - 10 minutes 09 - 11 minutes
That segnment is also served by 700 and 960, a total of 4 buses.
Thus, the combined frequency of buses by SMRT along that stretch is way much better than SBS, and they even have frequency of 4 to 7 minutes at night, compared to 8 to 16 minutes for 23.
I took 190 at Whitley and to Bukit Panjang around 6:30pm even before the Downtown Line operates. Buses are very frequenty, with 960, 700 and 190 coming together and I can even find a seat on the 190 that I board.In contrast, whether I can board 23 at Jalan Kolam Ayer at 6:30pm every day evening peak, before PIE depends a lot on whether the bus captain want to stop and open the door as buses that reach that stop at that timing are mostly crowded with passengers already standing at front door.
Have anyone done a loading check for 23 from 6:00pm to 7:30 pm at Jalan Kolam Ayer (Infineon) on normal working weekdays? if yes, can share?
But overall 190 and 972 had much higher loading than 23 (before DTL2) and that's one of the reasons why they have more robust frequencies. Another would be the complaints by netizens who waited for 14 buses before successfully boarding 190.
And 190 still had many rigids in its fleet even before DTL which kind of boosted its frequency...
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Express bus service 502
Observed the loading on this bus service today from 5:39pm to 7:28pm, from Orchard Road to Pioneer Road North.
In the city, I only observed the number of people boarding the bus as I only wanted to find out roughly how many people take bus 502 back to Jurong.
The number of people boarding the bus is as follows,
Orchard Road: +39
Bras Basah Road: +15
Temasek Boulevard: +7
Temasek Avenue: +5
Bayfront Avenue: +2
Central Boulevard: +14
Shenton Way: +20
When the bus ran express from Shenton Way to Boon Lay Way, there were 80 people on the bus - 52 at upper deck, 28 at lower deck.
When the bus was in Jurong, the following loading was observed:
Boon Lay Way: +4 -4 (80 pax)
Toh Guan Road: +12 -24 (68 pax)
Jurong East Avenue 1: +8 -31 (45 pax)
Jurong West Avenue 1: +11 -20 (36 pax)
Boon Lay Avenue: +4 -11 (29 pax)
Jurong West Central 1: +0 -1 (28 pax)
Jurong West Street 64: +0 -9 (19 pax)
Jurong West Street 75: +1 -11 (9 pax)
Jurong West Avenue 5: +0 -7 (2 pax)
Pioneer Road North: +0 -2 (0 pax)
Soon Lee Road: No data (but very likely is +0 -0; 0 pax)
Interestingly, 79 pax alighted from Boon Lay Way to Jurong West Ave 1 while only 80 pax were onboard after Shenton Way. While there may still be some pax who boarded at IMM / Toh Guan and alighted at Jurong East/West Ave 1, to me it shows that 502 mainly caters to Jurong East (at best until Boon Lay Gardens) residents to CBD, not really Jurong West.
On the other hand 502 also works well as a townlink service between Jurong East and Jurong West...
observation on sv23 at PIE bus stop (after infineon) on 21/76pm to 650pm
6.07pm - unknown DD - around 15 standees when bus leave bus stop.
6.12pm - SG5303 (DD) - 6 pax board the bus, bus have empty seats (around 50 paxes on board)
6.23pm -SG5351 (DD) - 8pax board the bus, 4 pax cant board, bus full till door. (can see stil have some standing space at the rear)...
6.29pm - SBS3111 (DD) - 10pax board the bus. no one left behind. bus was also full till entrance door.
6.44pm -SBS3013 (DD) - 11 pax board the bus, around 15 standees on board. bus was not full to door, despite it is 15 mins behind the previous bus
6.49pm - DD (forget the rego) - around 4 pax board, bus have around 15 standees as well.
6 DDs in 42 mins and almost all are full (except for one trip)...
saw a few DDs off service along PIE toward bedok during this timing. (believe should be sv8/28/31 DDs going back to BNDEP). maybe SBST can deploy a few trips of downroute bus under 23A from the Jalan Kolam Ayer bus stops by using these off service buses from 630 pm to 8pm.. (maybe 3-4 trips will do).
23A can terminate at Tampines Ave 1 (before Ave 5)...and bus can off service back to BNDEP (just slightly longer distance than normal PIE route)..
Originally posted by lemon1974:observation on sv23 at PIE bus stop (after infineon) on 21/76pm to 650pm
6.07pm - unknown DD - around 15 standees when bus leave bus stop.
6.12pm - SG5303 (DD) - 6 pax board the bus, bus have empty seats (around 50 paxes on board)
6.23pm -SG5351 (DD) - 8pax board the bus, 4 pax cant board, bus full till door. (can see stil have some standing space at the rear)...
6.29pm - SBS3111 (DD) - 10pax board the bus. no one left behind. bus was also full till entrance door.
6.44pm -SBS3013 (DD) - 11 pax board the bus, around 15 standees on board. bus was not full to door, despite it is 15 mins behind the previous bus
6.49pm - DD (forget the rego) - around 4 pax board, bus have around 15 standees as well.
6 DDs in 42 mins and almost all are full (except for one trip)...
saw a few DDs off service along PIE toward bedok during this timing. (believe should be sv8/28/31 DDs going back to BNDEP). maybe SBST can deploy a few trips of downroute bus under 23A from the Jalan Kolam Ayer bus stops by using these off service buses from 630 pm to 8pm.. (maybe 3-4 trips will do).
23A can terminate at Tampines Ave 1 (before Ave 5)...and bus can off service back to BNDEP (just slightly longer distance than normal PIE route)..
Yes sv 23 is doing v well. But on most buses people can board, except for few cases. What you observed is the highest peak at Infeon between 6-7pm. Loading drops after that.
What the other user said about poor frequency was an exagerration. Clearly if 6 buses in 42 mins, then the avg frequency is 07 mins.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Yes sv 23 is doing v well. But on most buses people can board, except for few cases. What you observed is the highest peak at Infeon between 6-7pm. Loading drops after that.
What the other user said about poor frequency was an exagerration. Clearly if 6 buses in 42 mins, then the avg frequency is 07 mins.
That why i went down to observe yesterday... not so many ppl at infenion bus stop. max around 10 who board 23.. there are alway heavy traffic along serangoon road during this evening peak which caused the frequency to vary.. and esp at the junction of macpherson/upper serangoon/PIE.. that is a real messy junction...
962B should operate daily with 2 buses at least... 962 cannot take the load sometimes especially at Blk 484 where there are many high rise flats around
Originally posted by lentor1974:Loading on bus service 83
From Punggol to Sengkang.
(Time: 5:55pm to 6:25pm)
Punggol Temp Int – 40 (0/40)
Punggol Ctrl – 16 (-33/9)
Punggol East – 18 (0/2)
Punggol Field – 31 (-7/20)
Punggol Rd – 22 (-16/7)
Compassvale St – 13 (-11/2)
Sengkang East Rd – 3 (-11/1)
Sengkang Int – 0 (-3/0)
Loading on bus service 83
From Sengkang to Punggol.
(Time: 5:23pm to 5:50pm)
Sengkang Int – 7 (0/7)
Sengkang East Rd – 12 (0/5)
Compassvale St – 10 (-3/1)
Punggol Rd – 12 (-4/6)
Punggol Field – 5 (-8/1)
Punggol East – 5 (-1/1)
Punggol Ctrl – 8 (-4/7)
Punggol Temp Int – 0 (-8/0)
Actually, 83 can cut 1 bus, the demand is not as great as before
I do agree for Sv 103 though.
I feel that there can be more improvements to cross-border services, especially 950
Originally posted by sbst191:Actually, 83 can cut 1 bus, the demand is not as great as before
The demand will come back soon when Compass 1 opens.
Loading on sv 46 DD @ 17.40 Fri evening
Bedok South Ave 3 -- 07 (0/3), 10 (0/3), 10 (0/0)
New Upper Changi Rd -- 11 (-3/4)
Bedok North Road -- 14 (0/3), 15 (-2/3), 15 (-3/3), 15 (-3/3)
Bedok North Ave 3 -- 16 (-2/3), 12 (-4/0)
Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 16 (0/4), 16 (0/0)
Tampines Ave 4 -- 13 (-5/2)
Tampines Ave 3 -- 14 (-3/4), 16 (-1/3)
Tampines St 83 -- 20 (-2/6), 18 (-2/0)
Tampines Ave 5 -- 17 (-3/2), 14 (-3/0
Tampines Int -- 00 (-14/0)
** Peak loading = 20 pax
** Bus in front = 12 mins, Bus behind = 13 mins.
** For the next 1.5 years, until DTL3 opens, I think sv 46 will continue to have poor loading
** DDs are an absolute waste. Even SDs may find it hard to get a yellow mark (unless ofcourse 291 is delayed at st 83 bus stop)
Route planning has been bad
** Route could have been planned better such as to connect Bedok North Rd to Tanah Merah, Expo Halls, SUTD, CBP
** Connect Tampines West town to Century Square, Regional Library, Tampines North, Pasir Ris that would have got good intra-town connectivity (rather than just duplicating 291 to interchange)
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Loading on sv 46 DD @ 17.40 Fri evening
Bedok South Ave 3 -- 07 (0/3), 10 (0/3), 10 (0/0)
New Upper Changi Rd -- 11 (-3/4)
Bedok North Road -- 14 (0/3), 15 (-2/3), 15 (-3/3), 15 (-3/3)
Bedok North Ave 3 -- 16 (-2/3), 12 (-4/0)
Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 16 (0/4), 16 (0/0)
Tampines Ave 4 -- 13 (-5/2)
Tampines Ave 3 -- 14 (-3/4), 16 (-1/3)
Tampines St 83 -- 20 (-2/6), 18 (-2/0)
Tampines Ave 5 -- 17 (-3/2), 14 (-3/0
Tampines Int -- 00 (-14/0)
** Peak loading = 20 pax
** Bus in front = 12 mins, Bus behind = 13 mins.
** For the next 1.5 years, until DTL3 opens, I think sv 46 will continue to have poor loading
** DDs are an absolute waste. Even SDs may find it hard to get a yellow mark (unless ofcourse 291 is delayed at st 83 bus stop)
Route planning has been bad
** Route could have been planned better such as to connect Bedok North Rd to Tanah Merah, Expo Halls, SUTD, CBP
** Connect Tampines West town to Century Square, Regional Library, Tampines North, Pasir Ris that would have got good intra-town connectivity (rather than just duplicating 291 to interchange)
array88 seemed to think otherwise (observation here). Could be that this service simply just has skewed high demand hours?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Loading on sv 46 DD @ 17.40 Fri evening
Bedok South Ave 3 -- 07 (0/3), 10 (0/3), 10 (0/0)
New Upper Changi Rd -- 11 (-3/4)
Bedok North Road -- 14 (0/3), 15 (-2/3), 15 (-3/3), 15 (-3/3)
Bedok North Ave 3 -- 16 (-2/3), 12 (-4/0)
Bedok Reservoir Rd -- 16 (0/4), 16 (0/0)
Tampines Ave 4 -- 13 (-5/2)
Tampines Ave 3 -- 14 (-3/4), 16 (-1/3)
Tampines St 83 -- 20 (-2/6), 18 (-2/0)
Tampines Ave 5 -- 17 (-3/2), 14 (-3/0
Tampines Int -- 00 (-14/0)
** Peak loading = 20 pax
** Bus in front = 12 mins, Bus behind = 13 mins.
** For the next 1.5 years, until DTL3 opens, I think sv 46 will continue to have poor loading
** DDs are an absolute waste. Even SDs may find it hard to get a yellow mark (unless ofcourse 291 is delayed at st 83 bus stop)
Route planning has been bad
** Route could have been planned better such as to connect Bedok North Rd to Tanah Merah, Expo Halls, SUTD, CBP
** Connect Tampines West town to Century Square, Regional Library, Tampines North, Pasir Ris that would have got good intra-town connectivity (rather than just duplicating 291 to interchange)
But Array88 always say this service got many paxs leh..Svc 47 another that hardly see any standees even for SDs
Originally posted by SBS3004X:The demand will come back soon when Compass 1 opens.
Hi mr sbs3004X, yes I agree. There are some who always take from sengkang int to compassvale street Blk 291A and Punggol road Blk 298 bus stops which I witnessed before. For those who do not know yet, the tenants list for compass one mall has been partially released online. Some are new and some are the previous tenants and some duplicate the tenants for waterway point. Nonetheless, this area used to have very high crowd due to not much places for shopping in northeast. Note some condos and HDB flats just opposite has already been completed. Whenever a mall is constructed in these areas, it draws high capacity demand. Examples are seletar mall, waterway point and also the recently renovated rivervale plaza. Cheers. Thanks.