Singapore Bus Carnival
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
It's still round grips.
Anyway, considering how much effort, time and money is put into finding and restoring this old 1960 bus, after this exhibition they should put it in a museum or something, like the Singapore Discovery Centre, Images of Singapore, Singapore Science Centre, etcetera.
Well a photo from TODAY Facebook shows the handgrips triangle though
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Middle Stairs I think for passenger to go up instead of being at the lower deck...
Eg: Svc 169, morning got lots of passengers, all just dun want to go up to the upper deck.. All want to cramp at the lower deck de... So with the middle stairs, it will directly ask them to go straight up...
See the barrier at the middle stairs... Unless some stupid idiot just crouch down and enter to the lower deck...
Unfortunately the middle stairs are designed for people to go down only...
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where is volvo double decker model?
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
where is volvo double decker model?
The sucessful bidders is only Alexander Dennis PLC and STK MAN for the concept buses.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
It's still round grips.
Anyway, considering how much effort, time and money is put into finding and restoring this old 1960 bus, after this exhibition they should put it in a museum or something, like the Singapore Discovery Centre, Images of Singapore, Singapore Science Centre, etcetera.
I'm 100% sure you did not go into the bus.
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Concept for ADL (Bus A)
Exactly the same as Borismaster, not much of a new concept.
Concept for A95 (Bus B)
Now, this is interesting, because the second staircase does not scarifice as much seats as the ADL. The staircase at the back is strictly for coming down, and re-entering the lower deck's rear. So you could possibly say that the front staircase is for up only, although there's technically no restrictions.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Concept for ADL (Bus A)
Exactly the same as Borismaster, not much of a new concept.
Concept for A95 (Bus B)
Now, this is interesting, because the second staircase does not scarifice as much seats as the ADL. The staircase at the back is strictly for coming down, and re-entering the lower deck's rear. So you could possibly say that the front staircase is for up only, although there's technically no restrictions.
I'll upload pictures here soon to illustrate.Capacity wise, bus B is better.
but Maintenance wise, I think bus A is better.
bus B's two back doors are installed side-by-side. I feel that such arrangement may cause the doors to spoil easily.
Actually, a good cross-sectional picture of the bus would already show everything.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Capacity wise, bus B is better.
but Maintenance wise, I think bus A is better.
bus B's two back doors are installed side-by-side. I feel that such arrangement may cause the doors to spoil easily.
Actually, a good cross-sectional picture of the bus would already show everything.
Every single door on public buses in Singapore is side-by-side. I have no idea what are you talking about.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Every single door on public buses in Singapore is side-by-side. I have no idea what are you talking about.
The two back doors at bus B are two single doors installed side-by-side, right?
Anyway, I feel that this thread has already served its original purpose of discussing the event.
We can continue to use thread to discuss the event.
For discussions about the livery and the new features, I think it's better that we discuss at the other thread, titled "Our new public bus livery will be lush green!".
Unlike the similar threads, this thread is to consolidate and discuss what is confirmed to be incorporated into our public buses. The original purpose for creating that thread is to inform everyone about the new public bus livery, as I feel that it is newsworthy. Subsequently, I feel that it can be used to discuss the future of our buses that is confirmed. In fact, we should consolidate everything there, rather than have discussions scattered all over the forum (ie. this thread on bus carnival, that thread on tender for concept buses, that thread on gcm, etcetera). -
There's no need to make so many threads for just 1 single thing, which is happening at the bus carnival all-together.
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I am sorry, but I feel that the LTA may have a hidden agenda for organising this carnival.
I do not think it is really about explaining in technical terms or collecting feedback (the iPads tend to refresh by itself, making it quite hard to write the messages in the feedback form). 
Neither is it really about hiring new employees in the bus industry. 
Likewise for the carnival TT organised last year. 
Although SGforums does not have amazing race, I feel that the public events organised by the LTA and the PTOs have brought us together; some of you have seen me, while I have seen some of you.
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Well, there is no point arguing over which thread to use.
Okay, let's discuss everything here.
Thanks, SBS2656X!
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This is the hybrid exit door configuration on the concept A95, which this bus has the first such concept in the entire world. -
The only notable issue with this bus is the slow opening speed of the doors.
System is Masats.
But the rear door isn't connected as you can see some bare wires jutting out of the top. -
Originally posted by gekpohboy:
I am sorry, but I feel that the LTA may have a hidden agenda for organising this carnival.
I do not think it is really
about explaining in technical terms or collecting feedback (the
iPad tend to refresh by itself, making it quite hard to write the
messages in the feedback form). Neither is it really about
hiring new employees in the bus industry. Likewise for the carnival TT
organised last year. Although SGforums does not have amazing race, I feel that the public events organised by the LTA and the PTOs has brought us together; some of you have seen me, while I have seen some of you.
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Well, there is no point arguing over which thread to use.
Okay, let's discuss everything here.
Thanks, SBS2656X!
No worries as well. You can discuss wherever you wish or may, but just that I'll post updates on this one thread until the Bus Carnival is over.
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bus b the MAN bus has more capacity and feel more like coach than public bus. So if LTA want people to give up cars i think this is the best bus to be on the road as public bus. bus A is just and extended version of the SMRT ADL bus. in fact it the space is wasted just to have extra staircase for people to move down and up the bus at the back. MAN bus design is clever.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
No worries as well. You can discuss wherever you wish or may, but just that I'll post updates on this one thread until the Bus Carnival is over.
the two small no entery blocker at the exit staircase should removed and let more people exit the bus faster
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
bus b the MAN bus has more capacity and feel more like coach than public bus. So if LTA want people to give up cars i think this is the best bus to be on the road as public bus. bus A is just and extended version of the SMRT ADL bus. in fact it the space is wasted just to have extra staircase for people to move down and up the bus at the back. MAN bus design is clever.
Even though I voted for bus A, objectively speaking I feel bus B will mlbe more popular among SGreans... Coz SGreans like to see change, and there are plenty on the A95 concept, from the bus bells to the middle stairs and exit door config... I overheard ppl saying bus A seemed "old-fashioned", " nothing new" and "reminds me of London Bus"... For a second people even thought the empty spaces on bus A is " for luggage"...
I feel they also may like Bus B's brighter, sleekier and more stylish interior... To me I rather ADL as it feels more calm and relaxing...
Also Bus B still does not solve the problem of people not moving to the rear at the lower deck... But at least now there are less standing space behind...
My brother (not a bus fan) pointed out a legit design flaw in the exit door barrier... People in the lower deck could actl pass through easily, they simply need to pull back on the barrier... So I'm not sure about its effectiveness after all...
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Relax,They may make a modification through feedbacks..The earliest is 2018...
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Bus A second stairs all the way at the back, will people at the front upper deck feel the need to use the second stairs all the way at the back or will they still use the original stairs? It defeats the purpose of a second stairs if people going down will still use the front stairs due to lack of convenience to access the second stairs. The second stairs on Bus A may more likely be used by passengers to move up (in addition to front stairs) compared to Bus B's second stairs ('gantry'), creating a second (but perhaps less concentrated) bottleneck.
At least, with Bus B's second stairs which is more to the middle, people will have more incentive to use it, coupled with the fact that its an exit exclusively for exiting the upper deck. The 'gantry' prevents the second set of stairs and third door from being abused by lower deck people.
Also, I am surprised no one has pointed out the longer rear overhang of Bus A. Of course this will increase rear sweep when exiting bus stop (I know it has rear axle steering but still), compared to the Bus B. I think this can be attributed that Bus A was a 12m bus extended to 13m by merely making the rear overhang longer while Bus B is a native 12.8m bus, not needing any extensions but only radical changes in thinking and second stairs and third door positioning.
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There is 12.8m ADL E500 also..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
There is 12.8m ADL E500 also..
there must be a reason why they didn't use the 12.8m chassis, there wouldn't be any space to fit a third door/second stairs with all the rear components, so they opted to extend the rear overhang of a 12m bus.
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13m is the limit they can do else have to opt for 13.5m above which is a hassle to drive..But again SG use to have 14.5m Volvo B10M.MAN should follow ADL for the rear third door design
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
there must be a reason why they didn't use the 12.8m chassis, there wouldn't be any space to fit a third door/second stairs with all the rear components, so they opted to extend the rear overhang of a 12m bus.
Else why they design the centre/rear door side by side?I strongly feel that ADL/Volvo has the edge in building DDs more than MAN.Not saying MAN is lousy but theyre more expertise in rigid and bendy buses more than DD.
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Just saying. ADL did their modifications "illegally".
The ADL on show is a total shell, whereas the A95 is fully equipped except the power ports on the upperdeck and the exit doors aren't linked. -
Originally posted by gekpohboy:
I am sorry, but I feel that the LTA may have a hidden agenda for organising this carnival.
I do not think it is really about
explaining in technical terms or collecting feedback (the iPads
tend to refresh by itself, making it quite hard to write the
messages in the feedback form). Neither is it really about hiring new
employees in the bus industry. Likewise for the carnival TT organised
last year. Although SGforums does not have amazing race, I feel that the public events organised by the LTA and the PTOs have brought us together; some of you have seen me, while I have seen some of you.
It is all about marketing.
If you have read some academic literature, you would have known what is the real purpose of GCM.