GCM BU & LY tender: my personal views
-
I am puzzled by the decision to split the Clementi route group, for one. Also, four Jurong East routes weren't touched, as well as 61 and 852. I reckon it makes better sense for 105 and 852 to be managed from BUDEP, while all Clementi routes stay with the incumbent.
with respect to LYBP, 109 is better off managed by this depot instead of 136, as the amount of dead running may be less.
-
I would suppose that this distribution of routes would go in line with the routes group?
So in the case of 105, that would belong to Serangoon and 852 with Yishun.
-
52 is full SLBP so it should be part of Jurong East route group. 51 and 197 are majority HGDEP and BNDEP respectively, so they may be better off with the Hougang and Bedok route groups.
I suspect 61 may be getting farmed out along with the Eunos routes. Either that or it's getting split up.
AMDEP currently has complete control of 136, so I consider it to be part of the Ang Mo Kio route group.
Also, if ever Ang Mo Kio and Yishun get placed in the Seletar package, I think 169 should go under Ang Mo Kio and 856 remain with Woodlands.
-
Originally posted by iveco:
52 is full SLBP so it should be part of Jurong East route group. 51 and 197 are majority HGDEP and BNDEP respectively, so they may be better off with the Hougang and Bedok route groups.
I suspect 61 may be getting farmed out along with the Eunos routes. Either that or it's getting split up.
AMDEP currently has complete control of 136, so I consider it to be part of the Ang Mo Kio route group.
Also, if ever Ang Mo Kio and Yishun get placed in the Seletar package, I think 169 should go under Ang Mo Kio and 856 remain with Woodlands.
My guess is that Seletar will consist of AMK Depot, YCK and Yishun (Minus 39, 85, 103 and 856). Total around 24 svc and still can add 1 svc under BSEP. Yishun trunks might gain a lot of DDs, but their feeders might lose their bendies.
-
Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
My guess is that Seletar will consist of AMK Depot, YCK and Yishun (Minus 39, 85, 103 and 856). Total around 24 svc and still can add 1 svc under BSEP. Yishun trunks might gain a lot of DDs, but their feeders might lose their bendies.
very likely.... while Bishan/TPY/st michael will go under another package... i think with the opening of the new Tuas depot, they might rebuilt Bishan MRT depot into multi storey depot with bus depot facilities...
-
I think yishun bus routes are likely fall under the Mandai Bus Package
-
Seletar package will be Yishun and probably Yio Chu Kang..Mandai probably might be Sembawang and Woodlands.
-
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Seletar package will be Yishun and probably Yio Chu Kang..Mandai probably might be Sembawang and Woodlands.
Mandai must be the TSL yard that side. Once it used to be Singapore's main orchid farm.
Nowadays it seems like bus and train depots need to be co-located due to lack of space.
Anyway, this thread was originally meant to discuss the inaugural GCM routes (ie JUE/BBT/PSR/PGL route groups).
-
Originally posted by iveco:
Mandai must be the TSL yard that side. Once it used to be Singapore's main orchid farm.
Nowadays it seems like bus and train depots need to be co-located due to lack of space.
Anyway, this thread was originally meant to discuss the inaugural GCM routes (ie JUE/BBT/PSR/PGL route groups).
Hi.
I am sorry to remind you that the world does not revolve around any individual.
If the purpose of this thread is to discuss about the Government Contracting Model on public bus services in Singapore, I think it is better to discuss at the thread about the Government contracting model for public bus industry, where we can all share our views and opinions, and comment on them.
Thank you and have a nice day.
-
Originally posted by One-Punch Man:
Hi.
I am sorry to remind you that the world does not revolve around any individual.
If the purpose of this thread is to discuss about the Government Contracting Model on public bus services in Singapore, I think it is better to discuss at the thread about the Government contracting model for public bus industry, where we can all share our views and opinions, and comment on them.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Hi mr One-Punch Man, are you mr jurongresident? The way you talked, it really looks like him. Cheers. Thanks.
-
Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr One-Punch Man, are you mr jurongresident? The way you talked, it really looks like him. Cheers. Thanks.
Hi.
I am sorry. My identity cannot be revealed.
Nonetheless, you can call me One-Punch Man, or Saitama (サイタマ).
Thank you and have a nice day.
-
Originally posted by One-Punch Man:
Hi.
I am sorry. My identity cannot be revealed.
Nonetheless, you can call me One-Punch Man, or Saitama (サイタマ).
Thank you and have a nice day.
the main thread is for general discussions, including possible locations of future bus parks. This one is for detailed examination of each individual route that had been tendered out recently. I have placed 96 and the CLE feeders from BU and 136 from LY under the microscope.
-
When the Bt Batok feeders are taken over by Tower Transit, will there be any possibility that they will be renumbered into the 34x or 36x series for conformity?
The 94x series can well be reserved for new trunk routes from Bt Panjang / Choa Chu Kang. It will be rather strange to have TT routes right in the middle of predominantly SMRT services. Same goes for 990 as well.
-
341,345,347 and 390,Swee ah..By right LTA should give 52,61,506 as well as another new svc from BBT.136 should stay with Amdep.Lydep should take svc 29 instead.
-
Originally posted by carbikebus:
341,345,347 and 390,Swee ah..By right LTA should give 52,61,506 as well as another new svc from BBT.136 should stay with Amdep.Lydep should take svc 29 instead.
If renumbered, 990 into 390 is rather inappropriate, seeing that the 39x series can be used for another set of feeders. 340 is okay, as the service is a short inter-town. Otherwise any new number from the 4xx series will do; even 1 (consider 3) or 71 (following the trend of 41, 51, 61) can be considered candidates.
Overall, the downside to GCM is that routes will become less flexible and more difficult to adjust/amend accordingly with MRT opening and rationalisation. For example, when TEL opens, we may end up seeing a lot of semi-empty buses at MP that wouldn't get rationalised or diverted.
-
Originally posted by AJQZC:
If renumbered, 990 into 390 is rather inappropriate, seeing that the 39x series can be used for another set of feeders. 340 is okay, as the service is a short inter-town. Otherwise any new number from the 4xx series will do; even 1 (consider 3) or 71 (following the trend of 41, 51, 61) can be considered candidates.
Overall, the downside to GCM is that routes will become less flexible and more difficult to adjust/amend accordingly with MRT opening and rationalisation. For example, when TEL opens, we may end up seeing a lot of semi-empty buses at MP that wouldn't get rationalised or diverted.
Feeders can still use 36x,37x & 38x..and many other unused numbers.Like that 925,926 & 927 isnt suitable use for trunk cause got 920 & 922 mah
-
Bulim GCM Package - 66, 143, 106...
Some people in this forum ever raised their concern with Bedok Bus Interchange being too far away from the Bulim depot.
actually, if Tower Transit uses the Pan-Island Expressway, Bedok Bus Interchange is only around 30 minutes away from Bulim Depot.
no doubt the distance is quite far, at around 30km... but, at least Bedok Bus Interchange is only around 30 minutes from Bulim Depot, if use expressway.
besides 66 going to Bedok Interchange, there's 143 going to Toa Payoh Interchange and 106 going to Marina Centre Terminal.
Toa Payoh Interchange is around 20 minutes away (around 20km) from Bulim Depot, via PIE expressway. Marina Centre Terminal is around 27 minutes away (around 24 km) from Bulim Depot, via AYE expressway.
Meanwhile, Bulim Depot to Clementi Interchange takes around 14 minutes; Bulim Depot to Jurong East Interchange takes around 10 minutes; Bulim Depot to Bukit Batok Interchange takes around 11 minutes.
so, it works out to be about the same. Toa Payoh Interchange, Marina Centre Terminal and Bedok Interchange is only ten to twenty minutes further away from Bulim Depot.
I guess the first/last bus timings of Bulim GCM bus services at Toa Payoh, Marina Centre and Bedok will be adjusted to accomodate the longer travel time from Bulim Depot to the respective bus interchanges and terminal.
For example, 66 can have first bus twenty minutes later and have last bus twenty minutes earlier, than an average trunk bus service; first bus at 0600hrs and last bus at 2230hrs, so that buses on 66 can go from Bulim Depot to Bedok Interchange at the same time as the other buses, and come back at the same time. Anyway, not many people go out before 6am, or end work/school after 10pm, so I do not think there's much of a problem.
-
Who know Sungei Seletar winners is Tower Transit?Then those 3 svc ie 66,106 & 143 can be given partly to Seletar?
-
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Who know Sungei Seletar winners is Tower Transit?Then those 3 svc ie 66,106 & 143 can be given partly to Seletar?
shenton Way/Bedok far from Seletar leh. -
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
shenton Way/Bedok far from Seletar leh.Bedok to Bulim even further, Bedok to Seletar not that far. If not why 25 has been AMDEP controlled since start. Shenton Way to Seletar is around the same distance to Bulim
-
Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Bedok to Bulim even further, Bedok to Seletar not that far. If not why 25 has been AMDEP controlled since start. Shenton Way to Seletar is around the same distance to Bulim
AMDEP did not control 25 all the way since start. HGDEP control 25 before.
Not sure why ppl saying that the interchange is far from depot so must dual depot control? Right now sv30 buses alway off service from one end to the other end. Same go for sv154. 9839 also off service from Boon Lay to BNDEP. Even sv157 DD also off service from TPY to SLBP. Planning of timetable is not easy n you can't ensure that each bus will end nicely at the terminal /interchange nearest to the depot.
-
Yeah can see that from a lot of SMRT svc
966
Marine Parade to WLDEP
858
T2 to WLDEP961
WLDEP to GL1 and vice versa, last bus from WRI is WLDEP bus969
Tampines to WPDEP and vice versa
167
SEBP to BTM and vice versa
Even some SBST service is facing that too. Best example is Svc 48
End at BNDEP but have to go all the way back to ARBP
63 also, Rumah Tinggi to BNDEP and vice versa
-
I wonder why 117 is not part of Loyang package?Dont tell me it will originate from Sembawang instead.
-
Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Yeah can see that from a lot of SMRT svc
966
Marine Parade to WLDEP
858
T2 to WLDEP961
WLDEP to GL1 and vice versa, last bus from WRI is WLDEP bus969
Tampines to WPDEP and vice versa
167
SEBP to BTM and vice versa
Even some SBST service is facing that too. Best example is Svc 48
End at BNDEP but have to go all the way back to ARBP
63 also, Rumah Tinggi to BNDEP and vice versa
And i am puzzled why short distance service like 50,141 & 925 need dual depot controlled?Amdep or Hgdep can solely control svc 50,If Amdep take 50 then the Hgdep buses can be used for 175.If Hgdep take 50,Amdep can control 52.
-
Originally posted by carbikebus:
I wonder why 117 is not part of Loyang package?Dont tell me it will originate from Sembawang instead.
Hi mr carbikebus, I find it very puzzling too indeed. Cheers. Thanks.