LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 4)
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With regards to Eunos area, I feel that the weakest links are the HDB flats at Lengkong Tiga and the industrial area at Eunos Industrial Estate. We can create one new bus service for them.
The route could be like this:
Eunos Bus Interchange > Eunos Road 2 > Eunos Avenue 5 > Eunos Road 5 > Eunos Avenue 6 > Eunos Road 8 > Eunos Avenue 5 > Paya Lebar Road (Paya Lebar MRT) > Sims Avenue > Sims Avenue East > Jalan Kembangan > Lengkong Tiga > Jalan Daud > Lorong Melayu > Jalan Ishak > Lorong Marzuki > Sims Avenue East > Lorong Melayu > Changi Road > Paya Lebar Road > Eunos Avenue 5 > Eunos Road 5 > Eunos Avenue 4 > Eunos Road 2 > Eunos Bus Interchange.
The length is only around 10.7 kilometres. :)
This would connect Lengkong Tiga to a town centre (ie. Paya Lebar MRT Station), while provide a bus connection to Eunos Industrial Estate.
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Originally posted by SBS6465E:
Yes, but 4, 41 and 122 nonetheless have benefited many more private housing estates compared to say other BSEP services.
It is not out of the realm to think or to ask for a new service for Kembangan to Marine Parade. Kembangan/Changi Rd area have a lot of condos and about 10++ HDB blocks, about the same condo population as Flora Dr. So there should be demand considering that it's a new connection. Marine Parade boasts many nearby schools plus many shopping options. My main source of demand is not Frankel/Opera.
But might as well use Frankel to reach Marine Parade since it is the fastest connection? Too many services for Frankel because it duplicates 32 you might say. Simple. Re-route 32 to Telok Kurau Rd. It is a supplementary service, so it can supplement 15 & 155. It should not be the sole service for Frankel Av. Even though 42 duplicates 32 to Kembangan MRT, it is only a one-way connection. No. of services to Kembangan - 2 vs no. of services from Kembangan MRT - 0. Stupid right! So, you kill two-birds with one stone - you fix the problem of poor MRT access on Frankel Av, plus you provide a new Kembangan-Marine Parade sector and you solve the problem of duplication with 32 along Frankel Av by re-routing it to Telok Kurau Rd.
And honestly, this new service would get a heck of lot more demand than 122 because it is so unique. After all, it is faster just to cycle to Marine Parade from Kembangan/Changi Rd than to use the bus. That's how bad it is.
And if you wanna kpkb about no HDB, Kembangan got HDB, Haig Rd also got HDB. And really, Haig Rd can take buses la. About the same size of HDBs that 122 serves. Plus unlike 122, this is is a not a laughable supplementary services.
And Margaret Dr where got HDB? You mean Commonwealth Dr, where 122 essentially duplicates 195.
Where Margaret Dr got HDB?? Are you sure?? There are huge HDB blocks that opened last year. That's why 122 was introduced in first place.
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CCK to HG/SKG needs at least 3 bus tfrs if wan a fast journey
HG : 151/153 > 966 >190(cross bridge for bus stop after BKE)
SKG : 27>151/153>966>190(as abv)
If train: NS to BSH > CC to SGN > NE to HG/SKG > bus
So 134 intro is really ...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
CCK to HG/SKG needs at least 3 bus tfrs if wan a fast journey
HG : 151/153 > 966 >190(cross bridge for bus stop after BKE)
SKG : 27>151/153>966>190(as abv)
If train: NS to BSH > CC to SGN > NE to HG/SKG > bus
So 134 intro is really ...
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Originally posted by array88:
How is 134 relevant to CCK/HG/SKG?The post is meant to point out tt there are still many areas that are still need a few transfers to get around...
47,134 has much duplication
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Where Margaret Dr got HDB?? Are you sure?? There are huge HDB blocks that opened last year. That's why 122 was introduced in first place.
You mean the handful of new high-rise blocks at Dawson? Okay, true, my apologies and yes big population because of their height, but again 122 is very duplicative of many services along Alexandria Rd, which is a few minutes walk of these blocks, it is even a carbon copy of 32 to some extent (though of course it has terrible frequencies hands down). The only new link that benefits a HDB estate (if diedie BSEP can only benefit HDB) is between the handful of blocks at Clarence Lane and the fringes of Jln Bukit Ho Swee Estate to Tiong Bahru/SGH. But even then, you walk abit, and can find an assortment of other services doing the same.
Of course there are several unique connections it provides especially for the schools, so don't get me wrong.Though on the whole, it is very duplicative which a Kembangan to Marine Parade service proposed by several forumers is not.
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Originally posted by Cai Shen Ye:
�大家新年快�， 万事如��I would like to wish everyone a happy new year!
Huat Ah! �啊�
With regards to Eunos area, I feel that the weakest links are the HDB flats at Lengkong Tiga and the industrial area at Eunos Industrial Estate. We can create one new bus service for them.
The route could be like this:
Eunos Bus Interchange > Eunos Road 2 > Eunos Avenue 5 > Eunos Road 5 > Eunos Avenue 6 > Eunos Road 8 > Eunos Avenue 5 > Paya Lebar Road (Paya Lebar MRT) > Sims Avenue > Sims Avenue East > Jalan Kembangan > Lengkong Tiga > Jalan Daud > Lorong Melayu > Jalan Ishak > Lorong Marzuki > Sims Avenue East > Lorong Melayu > Changi Road > Paya Lebar Road > Eunos Avenue 5 > Eunos Road 5 > Eunos Avenue 4 > Eunos Road 2 > Eunos Bus Interchange.
The length is only around 10.7 kilometres. :)
This would connect Lengkong Tiga to a town centre (ie. Paya Lebar MRT Station), while provide a bus connection to Eunos Industrial Estate.
Eunos Industrial Estate may be a bit narrow because of all the light trucks that occupy the side roads, but worthy of consideration nonetheless. Jalan Daud, Lorong Melayu etc are all narrow but similar, if not wider, than Serangoon Gardens so one-way service is possible. But I doubt we will see small residential streets seeing new servivces - Opera Estate, Serangoon Gardens, Jln Remaja etc are served because of legacy issues. But a Kembangan - Paya Lebar link is worthy of consideration. Even though you could argue Changi Rd is within walking distance, but hey, seeing as our friends in Dawson have a break with 122, why not Kembangan?
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Originally posted by iveco:
Telok Kurau has 33 as well. In fact, 16, 32 & 33 should mix & match sectors (start & end points remain the same) so as to achieve optimal demand for each route.
33 serves a small portion of Telok Kurau, no harm having 2 bus stops that have duplicated services. Possible but 32 is extremely duplicative in the East - duplicates 12 at Victoria St, 10 at Dakota MRT and 40 along East Coast Rd. The only unique sector is Frankel Av, which as many would point out will not fill up the buses. So, swapping the sectors with 33 and 16 may produce very lopsided demand.
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Originally posted by SBS6465E:
33 serves a small portion of Telok Kurau, no harm having 2 bus stops that have duplicated services. Possible but 32 is extremely duplicative in the East - duplicates 12 at Victoria St, 10 at Dakota MRT and 40 along East Coast Rd. The only unique sector is Frankel Av, which as many would point out will not fill up the buses. So, swapping the sectors with 33 and 16 may produce very lopsided demand.
There was a comment earlier that Frankel Ave has bad connections to popular shopping districts in the downtown core. I remember 32 used to loop at Chinatown in the old days, so I played around with the different sectors of 16, 32 & 33 before hitting upon the idea of restoring the Frankel Ave-Chinatown link via Suntec City (currently served by Route 16). Notice that I have included Chai Chee into the picture too as I feel that area needs a better connection to Kembangan MRT.
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Originally posted by SBS6465E:
You mean the handful of new high-rise blocks at Dawson? Okay, true, my apologies and yes big population because of their height, but again 122 is very duplicative of many services along Alexandria Rd, which is a few minutes walk of these blocks, it is even a carbon copy of 32 to some extent (though of course it has terrible frequencies hands down). The only new link that benefits a HDB estate (if diedie BSEP can only benefit HDB) is between the handful of blocks at Clarence Lane and the fringes of Jln Bukit Ho Swee Estate to Tiong Bahru/SGH. But even then, you walk abit, and can find an assortment of other services doing the same.
Of course there are several unique connections it provides especially for the schools, so don't get me wrong.Though on the whole, it is very duplicative which a Kembangan to Marine Parade service proposed by several forumers is not.
I do agree with you that 122 could have been planned better. Especially the Commonwealth Dr part, and terminating point at NBR Terminal are so redundant. Buses go empty between Margaret and Commonwealth Dr almost at all times. It would have been better to loop at Queenstown MRT and pull back to Margaret Estate via Dawson Road with new bus stops.
Frankel has 32, and maybe 32 needs to be changed a bit as it is quite duplicative to other services as well. This makes 32 not very popular as it is not a reliable service.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I do agree with you that 122 could have been planned better. Especially the Commonwealth Dr part, and terminating point at NBR Terminal are so redundant. Buses go empty between Margaret and Commonwealth Dr almost at all times. It would have been better to loop at Queenstown MRT and pull back to Margaret Estate via Dawson Road with new bus stops.
Frankel has 32, and maybe 32 needs to be changed a bit as it is quite duplicative to other services as well. This makes 32 not very popular as it is not a reliable service.
122 better off looping at Tanglin Halt instead. 61 can amend and make it less messy.
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Originally posted by iveco:
122 better off looping at Tanglin Halt instead. 61 can amend and make it less messy.
Alternatively, via Margaret Dr --> Queensway --> Commonwealth Dr --> Commonwealth Ave (return route: Tanglin Halt Rd) --> Holland Ave --> Holland Dr --> Buona Vista Term?
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I live around the area where 122 plies and I observe that buses can be quite packed during AM peak at Tiong Bahru with most of its pax being school students and foreign workers. However, its loading is very pathetic during off-peak hours and weekends and its not uncommon to spot a bus with less than 10 pax onboard. So I see that 122 mainly only benefits the schools it serves rather than the Dawson estate residents. Another interesting thing I observed is that many Dawson residents prefer to take 32 from the Margaret Drive bus stop at the junction between Mag drive and Dawson Road than taking 122 from Kay Siang Road. It may be either that they are lazy to walk to the Kay Siang Road bus stop or they may feel that going to Redhill Mrt by 32 is faster as compared to taking 122 to Tiong Bahru. I feel that 122's loading will pick up eventually when more Margaret Drive estate is fully developed by 2020 and when the condos at Prince Charles are completed.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I do agree with you that 122 could have been planned better. Especially the Commonwealth Dr part, and terminating point at NBR Terminal are so redundant. Buses go empty between Margaret and Commonwealth Dr almost at all times. It would have been better to loop at Queenstown MRT and pull back to Margaret Estate via Dawson Road with new bus stops.
Frankel has 32, and maybe 32 needs to be changed a bit as it is quite duplicative to other services as well. This makes 32 not very popular as it is not a reliable service.
Agreed, though I disagree with pulling back at Dawson because 122 is very duplicative of services at Alexandria anyway. If 122 linked up Maragaret Dr with One-North this would at least provide a unique connection, thus higher loading. Or looping at the 61 side of Commonwealth Dr would also serve a larger catchment area and provide a new connection to Commonwealth MRT, Queenstown Library, Tiong Bahru and all the schools it serves.
Difficult to amend 32 because even though it is duplicative, it often only duplicates one service and not multiple services. Long route and winding route so it has reliability issues. This is why 32 should just be a supplementary service. Plying Telok Kurau is sensible because Telok Kurau has many condominiums and there is no connection to Katong only to MP with 15, so 32 can supplement that as 15 can be very crowded. The connection between Katong & Bedok is still intact. Opens up Frankel Av/East Coast Rd for a new short-haul higher frequency service serving Kembangan MRT.
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Originally posted by Marvel68:
I live around the area where 122 plies and I observe that buses can be quite packed during AM peak at Tiong Bahru with most of its pax being school students and foreign workers. However, its loading is very pathetic during off-peak hours and weekends and its not uncommon to spot a bus with less than 10 pax onboard. So I see that 122 mainly only benefits the schools it serves rather than the Dawson estate residents. Another interesting thing I observed is that many Dawson residents prefer to take 32 from the Margaret Drive bus stop at the junction between Mag drive and Dawson Road than taking 122 from Kay Siang Road. It may be either that they are lazy to walk to the Kay Siang Road bus stop or they may feel that going to Redhill Mrt by 32 is faster as compared to taking 122 to Tiong Bahru. I feel that 122's loading will pick up eventually when more Margaret Drive estate is fully developed by 2020 and when the condos at Prince Charles are completed.
122 does have unique catchment of Kay Siang / Margaret and Alexandra Road to Tiong Bahru. But loading on 122 can never be super high. Hence, it stays at 7 buses with a meagre 12-15 mins frequency.
122 could have been made more useful if it did Dawson Estate on return leg instead of going Commonwealth Dr. Tanglin Halt is what many suggest, but please note the area is going to be relocated soon, if not already started. The HDB blocks there have very low occupancy already.
122 on city side should have at least been extended to Marina Center instead of terminating at NBR.
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For a while i thought LTA wanna introduce numbering like 68 for Sims Place but they came out with 134 instead,Well at least the service will met 135 along Marine Parade.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
122 does have unique catchment of Kay Siang / Margaret and Alexandra Road to Tiong Bahru. But loading on 122 can never be super high. Hence, it stays at 7 buses with a meagre 12-15 mins frequency.
122 could have been made more useful if it did Dawson Estate on return leg instead of going Commonwealth Dr. Tanglin Halt is what many suggest, but please note the area is going to be relocated soon, if not already started. The HDB blocks there have very low occupancy already.
122 on city side should have at least been extended to Marina Center instead of terminating at NBR.
Weren't there some new blocks where the old Tanglin Secondary School used to stand?
All the same, my 2c worth.
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Service 43 frequency before 7am does not meet the 10 min BSEP standards. The buses are packed full with students, but SBST is not doing anything simply because of the concession fares. LTA needs to do something about the 12 min frequency. 43M can also have 1 DD transferred to 43.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Service 43 frequency before 7am does not meet the 10 min BSEP standards. The buses are packed full with students, but SBST is not doing anything simply because of the concession fares. LTA needs to do something about the 12 min frequency. 43M can also have 1 DD transferred to 43.
All 43M DDs should go to 43..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
All 43M DDs should go to 43..
What I meant is that 43M should get a fleet cut of 1 DD, while 43 will get 1 DD fleet add from 43M.
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No la the short distance M variant should have all SD fleet,Beside those students normally will camp at the lower deck for 2-3 stops only.Unless 43M loop back to Punggol.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
No la the short distance M variant should have all SD fleet,Beside those students normally will camp at the lower deck for 2-3 stops only.Unless 43M loop back to Punggol.
43M loops back to Punggol.
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Originally posted by SBS2652G:
43M loops back to Punggol.
Ok then,Can do with majority DDs.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Ok then,Can do with majority DDs.
You didn't know 43M loops back to Punggol?
43M should still have 6 SDs... while 43 should operate with 13 DDs, 6 SDs... current fleet is 10 DDs, 11 SDs.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You didn't know 43M loops back to Punggol?
43M should still have 6 SDs... while 43 should operate with 13 DDs, 6 SDs... current fleet is 10 DDs, 11 SDs.
Are you serious about 19 buses for 43?
It's not about the number of DDs. 43 operates at a frequency of 11-14 mins from 6.30 am to 7.00 am. 43 needs 1 fleet add.
On service 43/43M, Citaro passenger hogs are quite common throughout the day. The Citaro is just 1-2 mins ahead of a DD. The Citaro usually has far more passengers than the DD behind.