DTL rationalisation speculations
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Today (monday) still see SBS DD running DTL paralle service. Anyway, here is the articles published in Today Voice
SMRT still suitable operator to run new Thomson-East Coast Line?
From
Richmond Lee
Published: 9:25 PM, October 23, 2017The new Thomson-East Coast Line, set to open in stages from 2019, will be operated by SMRT for a nine-year period.
With the series of service breakdowns along the North-South Line, it seems like a good time to review if SMRT is really up for the task.When announcing the winning bidder to operate the Thomson-East Coast Line on Sept 15, the Land Transport Authority said this in its press release: “...we have assessed that SMRT Trains will be able to offer a higher level of service, as it has committed to invest heavily in predictive maintenance and manpower training”.
Questions will inevitably be raised now on how committed SMRT is towards preventive maintenance, given the historical baggage it has with breakdowns on the older MRT lines.
On account of this, public sentiments will be directed towards how SMRT can cope with a new line on top of running three heavy-usage lines while perfectly maintaining them all.
Given the age of the East-West Line and North-South Line, it means that SMRT will definitely have to put in more effort in maintaining these lines to undo the neglect from past management teams.
It will be wise for SMRT to strongly focus, for now, on improving this area and tackling those “deep-seated” internal organisational issues it has while striving to improve and upgrade the two oldest lines to regain public trust and confidence, without taking a new MRT line under its wing. -
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Always look on the bright side of things.
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With the government helping the transport operators whenever they need help, I’m sure everything will operate normally.
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Another letter to Today Voice. Pengkang SMRT management
If poor leadership is an issue, consider a change of management
Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan has blamed the team in charge of maintaining the anti-flooding system at Bishan MRT Station for the Oct 7 incident that affected the North-South Line.
Similarly, SMRT’s chairman Seah Moon Ming and group chief executive Desmond Kuek acted against the maintenance team by removing the team leader and cutting their bonuses.But in light of repeated train disruptions, it is fair to ask: What actions will be taken against the management team itself?
Finger-pointing is never a good idea. Nor is silence. There was no word from Mr Kuek when the breakdowns were happening, and it took several days before he appeared before Singaporeans to explain what had happened.
One wonders if the “deep-seated cultural issues” Mr Kuek brought up have anything to do with poor leadership? If so, an overhaul is needed for change to happen. Perhaps the company should consider getting leaders with experience to run a rail network. -
Talking about cultural issue, isn’t there a cultural issue here?
What kind of attitude is this?
(For your information, the reason why I keep creating new account is that I keep getting banned.)
Continue to play politics. Continue.
I have no interest in this forum anyway.
But as a courtesy, I really don’t want to see everyone like that. May god bless you.
I know I am powerless, but hopefully someday you can walk out of this and change for the better.
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Originally posted by Zinger Burrger:
Talking about cultural issue, isn’t there a cultural issue here?
What kind of attitude is this?
(For your information, the reason why I keep creating new account is that I keep getting banned.)
Continue to play politics. Continue.
I have no interest in this forum anyway.
But as a courtesy, I really don’t want to see everyone like that. May god bless you.
I know I am powerless, but hopefully someday you can walk out of this and change for the better.
Don't you think that the bus community/industry in Singapore has just as deep-seated cultural issues here?
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Before the arrival of Tower Transit and Go Ahead, there are only 2 public bus operators: SBS Transit and SMRT. Being in a duopoly, the 2 companies became complacent and paid their drivers poorly, resulting in the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012. The strike "woke up" the government, prompting them to end the decades-old bus duopoly and switch to the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), in order to bring in new players to improve service level and employee benefits.
In view of the frequent train breakdowns and poor management, can we also end the MRT duopoly and switch to the "Train Contracting Model"? I would love to see foreign companies such as Hong Kong MTR coming to Singapore to kick the faces of SMRT management and bring in some improved services...
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Originally posted by autumncs:
Before the arrival of Tower Transit and Go Ahead, there are only 2 public bus operators: SBS Transit and SMRT. Being in a duopoly, the 2 companies became complacent and paid their drivers poorly, resulting in the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012. The strike "woke up" the government, prompting them to end the decades-old bus duopoly and switch to the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), in order to bring in new players to improve service level and employee benefits.
In view of the frequent train breakdowns and poor management, can we also end the MRT duopoly and switch to the "Train Contracting Model"? I would love to see foreign companies such as Hong Kong MTR coming to Singapore to kick the faces of SMRT management and bring in some improved services...
Technically the TEL is under such a contract. If u refer to earlier news release, they allow SMRT to run TEL for 9 years before it has to be recontracted again.
IIRC the JB-SG RTS does not run such a model, but is still being awared to SMRT
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Don't you think that the bus community/industry in Singapore has just as deep-seated cultural issues here?
Back in the SBS/SMRT duopoly days, the bus industry used to have some serious deep-seated cultural issues. Thanks to the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012, we now see more players in the bus industry. While there are debates on whether bus services actually improve, we can agree that bus drivers are paid more and treated better now.
As for the bus community, I do observe some "politics" between bus fans in a Facebook group and bus fans in a society. I don't know the history of the politics between these 2 camps so I can't comment on that. (I'm just observing the politics as an outsider.) In this forum, we occasionally see trolls who keep seeking attention, but at least the politics here (if any) are milder, and most of the time I feel more amused than irritated.
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Originally posted by autumncs:
As for the bus community, I do observe some "politics" between bus fans in a Facebook group and bus fans in a society. I don't know the history of the politics between these 2 camps so I can't comment on that. (I'm just observing the politics as an outsider.) In this forum, we occasionally see trolls who keep seeking attention, but at least the politics here (if any) are milder, and most of the time I feel more amused than irritated.
I'm an 'outsider' too, but from my observation its that particular FB group (I'm sure most of us know which I'm referring to) that always shames 'rogues' and causing 'rouge' hysteria in nearly all of its posts in FB and even goes as low to mimic posts from another group. I used to follow them but stopped ever since it became exteremely toxic with its 'rogue' rants...
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Originally posted by autumncs:
Before the arrival of Tower Transit and Go Ahead, there are only 2 public bus operators: SBS Transit and SMRT. Being in a duopoly, the 2 companies became complacent and paid their drivers poorly, resulting in the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012. The strike "woke up" the government, prompting them to end the decades-old bus duopoly and switch to the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), in order to bring in new players to improve service level and employee benefits.
In view of the frequent train breakdowns and poor management, can we also end the MRT duopoly and switch to the "Train Contracting Model"? I would love to see foreign companies such as Hong Kong MTR coming to Singapore to kick the faces of SMRT management and bring in some improved services...
You think it’s possible?Right now i have a feeling that TTS/GAS will be no longer operate after their 5 years contract ends.
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im just thinking. During NSL disruption, why doesnt SBS activate 128 as it goes between amk - town
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Originally posted by Waynechew1003:
im just thinking. During NSL disruption, why doesnt SBS activate 128 as it goes between amk - town
Because NSL belongs to SMRT and 128 belongs to SBST. Does SBST want to cover SMRT's NSL breakdown for free?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Elderly don't have so much CPF to pay the $2.30 flat fare.
In fact, if CT18 ever dies I can bet my life with you that it died because of the horrendous price it charges. If SBST rly has the sincerity to keep CT18 they should rly stop charging ppl triple the elderly MRT price for a ride that takes 40 minutes to arrive and is now not even the fastest option.
elderly $1.10 only
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Originally posted by autumncs:
Back in the SBS/SMRT duopoly days, the bus industry used to have some serious deep-seated cultural issues. Thanks to the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012, we now see more players in the bus industry. While there are debates on whether bus services actually improve, we can agree that bus drivers are paid more and treated better now.
As for the bus community, I do observe some "politics" between bus fans in a Facebook group and bus fans in a society. I don't know the history of the politics between these 2 camps so I can't comment on that. (I'm just observing the politics as an outsider.) In this forum, we occasionally see trolls who keep seeking attention, but at least the politics here (if any) are milder, and most of the time I feel more amused than irritated.
obviously there is a trade off... right now, it is the gov who is subsidy the bus operations.. so BC get more pays which are indirectly subsiize by those tax payers.. so in the end , you should know the outcome for the bus fares next few year down the road.
as for the troll that you mention, there is obviously one guy who is too free here....alway spamming with new accounts..
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Originally posted by SBS2792K:
elderly $1.10 only
?? Where got ??
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
?? Where got ??
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_fares_nbasic.aspx
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Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:
Because NSL belongs to SMRT and 128 belongs to SBST. Does SBST want to cover SMRT's NSL breakdown for free?
They wont mind? Even during the flooding, SBS also activate their buses for free shuttle
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Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:
Because NSL belongs to SMRT and 128 belongs to SBST. Does SBST want to cover SMRT's NSL breakdown for free?
SBST also got helped SMRT before..The previous flood case.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
SBST also got helped SMRT before..The previous flood case.
I think he was referring to whether a bus would put 128 on its EDS and then run it's actual route during a breakdown.
Having SBS running for SMRT is quite a rare thing, possibly due to the reason above, but i think other operators would only help out only if the breakdown is super massive, like the flooding case happened recently which brought down the line by many many hours, even until the next day.
Come of think of the bridging services, i still cannot get over the fact that BPS1 is not activated during the late sunday openings for the LRT. It is called Parallel Service for a reason right?!!? And Im pretty sure it's not just for peak hours!! And which resident doesnt want to favour a ride frm CCK directly back to Senja, Jelapang and Segar area without having to sit in the bus and wind through the traffic?
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Originally posted by CZT:
I think he was referring to whether a bus would put 128 on its EDS and then run it's actual route during a breakdown.
Having SBS running for SMRT is quite a rare thing, possibly due to the reason above, but i think other operators would only help out only if the breakdown is super massive, like the flooding case happened recently which brought down the line by many many hours, even until the next day.
Come of think of the bridging services, i still cannot get over the fact that BPS1 is not activated during the late sunday openings for the LRT. It is called Parallel Service for a reason right?!!? And Im pretty sure it's not just for peak hours!! And which resident doesnt want to favour a ride frm CCK directly back to Senja, Jelapang and Segar area without having to sit in the bus and wind through the traffic?
BPS1 is Weekday Peak Period Shuttle Service, special case of PPSS. Is the BPLRT a white elephant? just because DTL is there doesn't mean that LTA can screw BPLRT and leave it as it is.
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Originally posted by autumncs:
Before the arrival of Tower Transit and Go Ahead, there are only 2 public bus operators: SBS Transit and SMRT. Being in a duopoly, the 2 companies became complacent and paid their drivers poorly, resulting in the SMRT bus driver strike in 2012. The strike "woke up" the government, prompting them to end the decades-old bus duopoly and switch to the Bus Contracting Model (BCM), in order to bring in new players to improve service level and employee benefits.
In view of the frequent train breakdowns and poor management, can we also end the MRT duopoly and switch to the "Train Contracting Model"? I would love to see foreign companies such as Hong Kong MTR coming to Singapore to kick the faces of SMRT management and bring in some improved services...
KTM has full monopoly of Malaysia's railways and yet nobody complained. SMRT should have retained the subway monopoly (ie all lines) and kept their hands off Tibs. WTS should have got a third PTO license and the contracts for the South and West (corresponding roughly to Bukit Merah, Clementi and Jurong West paclages). All these should have been done 18 years ago. Unfortunately the Transport Minister at that time was a shithead. Hence i call him Marbok Tan.
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Originally posted by iveco:
KTM has full monopoly of Malaysia's railways and yet nobody complained. SMRT should have retained the subway monopoly (ie all lines) and kept their hands off Tibs. WTS should have got a third PTO license and the contracts for the South and West (corresponding roughly to Bukit Merah, Clementi and Jurong West paclages). All these should have been done 18 years ago. Unfortunately the Transport Minister at that time was a shithead. Hence i call him Marbok Tan.
Are you sure no one complained abt KTM? Or u just nvr hear abt it? Im pretty sure they have their own faults too. And KTM doenst have full monopoly. Their monopoly is for their long-distance networks only. Rapid Malaysia still has their part to play in running most of the klang valley rail networks. KTM doesnt run the kelana jaya lines etc. Rapid Malaysia runs them. So in some sense KTM is a bit like SMRT which controls most rail lines (and maybe even hands off buses (what abt taxis why SMRT everything also want)), and Rapid Malaysia runs a handful of Rail lines and some important bus networks