Originally posted by CZT:Great to hear all the great news. Cheers to better assessibility soon!
With that being said, BSEP routes are expected to be 80 right, now it's in the 78th and 79th, so means the projected route 44 is the final one? Also the quoted statement on top is really interesting. So far the news have all been adding routes and minor changes, those rumoured slash and cuts are yet to be heard of, dk if it will be soon in coming weeks or a couple of months, or will it take more than a quater to see these changes?
71 is the last.
The LTA has been the best in monitoring bus services everyday.
Originally posted by CZT:Great to hear all the great news. Cheers to better assessibility soon!
With that being said, BSEP routes are expected to be 80 right, now it's in the 78th and 79th, so means the projected route 44 is the final one? Also the quoted statement on top is really interesting. So far the news have all been adding routes and minor changes, those rumoured slash and cuts are yet to be heard of, dk if it will be soon in coming weeks or a couple of months, or will it take more than a quater to see these changes?
Don't think we will see withdrawals or cutbacks so soon... Probably half a year later I guess.
To ease pressure why not 552 start at Blk 442? This might seem duplicating bus services.
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:To ease pressure why not 552 start at Blk 442? This might seem duplicating bus services.
Hi mr TPS Timothy mok, I think no use since it is not a regular trunk service. Cheers. Thanks.
I think CT18 will either kena axe or become weekend svc when DTL3 opens
Originally posted by SMB128B:I think CT18 will either kena axe or become weekend svc when DTL3 opens
Don't think so,elderly love to take buses although its consume more timings.
Because take buses,BC will wait for them,Drive nearer to kerb and if fall down can claim bus operator.
Originally posted by SMB128B:I think CT18 will either kena axe or become weekend svc when DTL3 opens
I don't really know what will happen to CT18 when DTL3 open
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/bus-services-may-be-re-routed-merged-or-rationalised-to-optimise-resources-khaw?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10#link_time=1506682893
Originally posted by SBS2792K:http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/bus-services-may-be-re-routed-merged-or-rationalised-to-optimise-resources-khaw?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10#link_time=1506682893
so next 5 yrs is more of amendment, cut & merge routes
Originally posted by azharjj:so next 5 yrs is more of amendment, cut & merge routes
It is all about tracking demand patterns and adjusting supply accordingly.
Originally posted by azharjj:so next 5 yrs is more of amendment, cut & merge routes
Better change some of the Orchard Road routes. It looks like Orchard Road is dying :) Somemore online shopping.
Is like having McDonald's self-ordering kiosk, cashless MRT.
Originally posted by SBS2792K:http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/bus-services-may-be-re-routed-merged-or-rationalised-to-optimise-resources-khaw?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10#link_time=1506682893
Introduce more direct routes la instead of winding here and there and claim credit.
Joo Koon-Changi Village with higher fares I'm sure many won't mind rather than to squeeze inside the trains,Breakdowns etc
Originally posted by carbikebus:Introduce more direct routes la instead of winding here and there and claim credit.
Joo Koon-Changi Village with higher fares I'm sure many won't mind rather than to squeeze inside the trains,Breakdowns etc
258 will be extended via Boon Lay Way, Jalan Boon Lay, Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim, Corporation Road and Boon Lay Way. Why not? there are unused stops around the sector and is a possible extension.
973 should have merged with service 41. Reason being - 3 pax on board to hillview mrt from hume avenue. Become Bukit Panjang - Jurong East section.
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:258 will be extended via Boon Lay Way, Jalan Boon Lay, Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim, Corporation Road and Boon Lay Way. Why not? there are unused stops around the sector and is a possible extension.
973 should have merged with service 41. Reason being - 3 pax on board to hillview mrt from hume avenue. Become Bukit Panjang - Jurong East section.
Ya,Extend till your home carpark to IMH
Better idea is 973 merge with 176 and the latter withdrawn. Current 973 becomes 973A. Room for 1 new route at BPJ made. 170X can be extended there and renumbered 974.
7 can be merged with 69. Room for 2 routes at BDK made.
135 can merge with 47 and ply East Coast Rd both ways. 40 can be amended to Marine Parade as such.
16 can be amended to Chai Chee where there is no direct link to CBD.
171 can absorb 944 in event of DTL bus route cuts. The BPJ-CBD portion can be covered by 67, whose LTI-TAM sector can be covered by 65.
151 should ply Defu which it originally did.
122 should be extended to loop at Holland Village like 95 does in order to relieve 970.
190 and 700 should merge and 972 terminate at NBR (future Kg Baru). 700 fleet can be re-allocated to 190 and 972.
62 and 857 should be extended to Marina South ITH when it opens. Ditto for 23. Current 23 becomes 23A.
970 also another candidate for Marina South, along with 120 and 121.
64 can also start from Marina South, with the DBG-Sims Pl portion covered by 111.
Marina South to be linked to Clarke Quay by a public ferry, like the Transperth ferry between Elizabeth Quay and South Perth.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Introduce more direct routes la instead of winding here and there and claim credit.
Joo Koon-Changi Village with higher fares I'm sure many won't mind rather than to squeeze inside the trains,Breakdowns etc
137 is a classic example of winding here and there. As a resident of Bedok North St 3, I was quite disappointed when I saw the route of 137. Beside bringing me to Bedok North MRT, the rest of the route has no use to me because it is too winding. Part of my disappointment also comes from the fact that my relatives in Tampines West get to enjoy new useful services like 46, 118 & 127 on top of DTL3 and fast services like 5, 23, 59 and 518, while my neighbourhood has the same services (225G/W) for decades.
Originally posted by autumncs:137 is a classic example of winding here and there. As a resident of Bedok North St 3, I was quite disappointed when I saw the route of 137. Beside bringing me to Bedok North MRT, the rest of the route has no use to me because it is too winding. Part of my disappointment also comes from the fact that my relatives in Tampines West get to enjoy new useful services like 46, 118 & 127 on top of DTL3 and fast services like 5, 23, 59 and 518, while my neighbourhood has the same services (225G/W) for decades.
Hi mr autumncs, you need to consider bedok north st 3 as part of bedok estate in general. There are more than 28 services in bedok interchange plus many passing by. Your estate also has many mrt stations on east-west line and down-town line. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr autumncs, you need to consider bedok north st 3 as part of bedok estate in general. There are more than 28 services in bedok interchange plus many passing by. Your estate also has many mrt stations on east-west line and down-town line. Cheers. Thanks.
Yes,And so many jam proned areas also.225G/W is already good at higher frequency with more DDs
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr autumncs, you need to consider bedok north st 3 as part of bedok estate in general. There are more than 28 services in bedok interchange plus many passing by. Your estate also has many mrt stations on east-west line and down-town line. Cheers. Thanks.
I just realised that if I use my phone to comment, the font size becomes huge. If I use my computer to comment, the font size is normal. LOL.
Anyway back to the topic. Yes, I admit that Bedok estate in general already has many bus services. But I don't only look at the quantity of bus services. I also look at where the services go to and the time it takes to reach my desired destination.
In Bedok, many bus services go to places not served by other routes (e.g. 17 to Bedok North Ave 4, 32 to Frankel Ave, 33 to Joo Chiat, 35 to Tanah Merah ferry terminal, 40 to Siglap Rd, etc). These routes are designed to maximise coverage and connect to MRT lines so they are not practical for long-distance trips. There are a few "expressway" services like 45, 168, 506 and CT18, but the frequency is bad (with the exception of 168).
In the end, the MRT is still the fastest way to travel from Bedok to most places. But not everyone likes the MRT because the MRT is often crowded (esp at Bedok, Kembagan and Eunos stations on EWL) and not very reliable due to frequent delays and breakdowns. DTL3 will definitely help to alleviate the situation on EWL, but DTL3 doesn't go to where I want to go. (I work in Jurong West, so I'm stuck with the crowded EWL or the infrequent svc 506 + 174.) In theory, from next month I can take 137, change to DTL3 at Bedok North, change to CCL at MacPherson, and change to EWL at Buona Vista, but it's too troublesome, and very likely I have to stand up for most of the journey.
Originally posted by iveco:Better idea is 973 merge with 176 and the latter withdrawn. Current 973 becomes 973A. Room for 1 new route at BPJ made. 170X can be extended there and renumbered 974.
7 can be merged with 69. Room for 2 routes at BDK made.
135 can merge with 47 and ply East Coast Rd both ways. 40 can be amended to Marine Parade as such.
16 can be amended to Chai Chee where there is no direct link to CBD.
171 can absorb 944 in event of DTL bus route cuts. The BPJ-CBD portion can be covered by 67, whose LTI-TAM sector can be covered by 65.
151 should ply Defu which it originally did.
122 should be extended to loop at Holland Village like 95 does in order to relieve 970.
190 and 700 should merge and 972 terminate at NBR (future Kg Baru). 700 fleet can be re-allocated to 190 and 972.
62 and 857 should be extended to Marina South ITH when it opens. Ditto for 23. Current 23 becomes 23A.
970 also another candidate for Marina South, along with 120 and 121.
64 can also start from Marina South, with the DBG-Sims Pl portion covered by 111.
Marina South to be linked to Clarke Quay by a public ferry, like the Transperth ferry between Elizabeth Quay and South Perth.
Not all of these pertain to DTL modifications. Here are my views.
973 & 176: No; the services serve completely different routes, impossible to merge; along with fleet restrictions on 973. (75 & 973 may be a more likely pair, though that would cause an awkward and long route that will be difficult to optimize.)
7 & 69: No; the services cater to different demands & a merger would definitely be too long (~30km).
135 & 47: Maybe. Downside is the loss of the loop at Amber which may irk some commuters.
40: No ... don't see the point of shortening and the loss of links to Geylang / Mattar.
16: Possible but not quite necessary. 16 itself is winding enough as it is, plus a detour via Joo Chiat makes it indirect; adding the detour would slow it down further.
171 & 944: Maybe, but the loss of links to Upp Bt Timah / Beauty World is an issue. I wouldn't support if there are better alternatives (such as 171 & 41)
151: No point if there's no demand.
122: Can.
190 & 700: Maybe, but there'll be a need for a service to cover either Stevens Rd or Dunearn / Bt Timah Rd. There's a reason why both 190 & 700 still have high demand (and 700 has not been withdrawn up till now).
62, 857, 970: Can.
64 & 111: Not sure, I'd be careful of disrupting links from Bt Merah to Serangoon Rd.
Duplicate rail doesn’t mean they will get chopped,They must study the loadings(Off and peak hours).They only need to find service which don’t make much profits off and peak hours.147 duplicate 75% of rail yet continued to have good demands.
Since a huge chunk of 65's route duplicates DTL3 (from Bencoolen to Tampines), 65 can possibly merge with 23 and do Tampines - HarbourFront but the current 65's route from Tampines to Little India axed off, so instead doing Bedok North Rd and PIE instead (With the assumption that 65's loading will dip significantly after DTL3 opens).
Originally posted by carbikebus:Don't think so,elderly love to take buses although its consume more timings.
Because take buses,BC will wait for them,Drive nearer to kerb and if fall down can claim bus operator.
Elderly don't have so much CPF to pay the $2.30 flat fare.
In fact, if CT18 ever dies I can bet my life with you that it died because of the horrendous price it charges. If SBST rly has the sincerity to keep CT18 they should rly stop charging ppl triple the elderly MRT price for a ride that takes 40 minutes to arrive and is now not even the fastest option.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Elderly don't have so much CPF to pay the $2.30 flat fare.
In fact, if CT18 ever dies I can bet my life with you that it died because of the horrendous price it charges. If SBST rly has the sincerity to keep CT18 they should rly stop charging ppl triple the elderly MRT price for a ride that takes 40 minutes to arrive and is now not even the fastest option.
Bro,Don’t underestimate those elderly,Many of elderly I’ve known got more than enough CPF to buy properties overseas.No money one usually stay at home all the times.This one eveyday will take buses,Have breakfast,Lunch and even go shopping.