Originally posted by SMB145B:but ah if DTL also breaking as often as NSEWL, then people will complain about all the rationalisations here. 128 and 162M duplicates NSL, 147 duplicates EWL and NEL. 171 hasn't kena the chopper yet, although the loading after Bukit Panjang is cmi.
DTL always breakdown?
Originally posted by SMB145B:but ah if DTL also breaking as often as NSEWL, then people will complain about all the rationalisations here. 128 and 162M duplicates NSL, 147 duplicates EWL and NEL. 171 hasn't kena the chopper yet, although the loading after Bukit Panjang is cmi.
128 is only 4 buses during peak hours but loading has dropped on these buses as well.
162/M - how parallel to NSL (unless you are referring to YCK-AMK-BIS) but that's a minor part of the route.
What about check the loading of Service 66, 67, 171, 174 and 960?
Originally posted by SMB145B:but ah if DTL also breaking as often as NSEWL, then people will complain about all the rationalisations here. 128 and 162M duplicates NSL, 147 duplicates EWL and NEL. 171 hasn't kena the chopper yet, although the loading after Bukit Panjang is cmi.
There's still 66, 67, 170 and 961 to handle DTL2 even without 171.
Originally posted by Path Light:What about check the loading of Service 66, 67, 171, 174 and 960?
Most of the info would be in the Loading level thread. Feel free to check the records for the current year and past year.
If you feel that the observations are not accurate, you can always take some time to observe them, whether if you are on the bus or at a fixed location (bus stop/int).
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:128 is only 4 buses during peak hours but loading has dropped on these buses as well.
162/M - how parallel to NSL (unless you are referring to YCK-AMK-BIS) but that's a minor part of the route.
128 is reduced to 2 trips but loading still extremely low
67 still doing well from rochor (13min freq)
took it last night around 10:30pm, at least 20-30+ pax
Originally posted by SBS2792K:128 is reduced to 2 trips but loading still extremely low
128 actually can give Bt Merah package..Amend to start from Harbourfront Int to AMK Int...
Originally posted by carbikebus:128 actually can give Bt Merah package..Amend to start from Harbourfront Int to AMK Int...
Provided there is still room at HBF. Like that hopefully can convert to full day.
Originally posted by iveco:Provided there is still room at HBF. Like that hopefully can convert to full day.
Harbourfront Bus Interchange still has room for bus services?
Originally posted by iveco:Provided there is still room at HBF. Like that hopefully can convert to full day.
Got 1-2 space..LTA can consider expanding..
Originally posted by Path Light:Harbourfront Bus Interchange still has room for bus services?
Doesn't have space at all.. 188/963 also seen parking at the side bays as there is not enough space.
There is space around HF if LTA wants to extend but because of the hill, it maybe an expensive expansion.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Doesn't have space at all.. 188/963 also seen parking at the side bays as there is not enough space.
There is space around HF if LTA wants to extend but because of the hill, it maybe an expensive expansion.
Because of Sentosa and Coast Guard buses..
Worst to worst,They can use the carpark for expansion
If I'm not wrong, HarbourFront Bus Interchange itself is an extension of the surrounding Bukit Merah Bus Interchange, New Bridge Road Bus Terminal and Shenton Way Bus Terminal.
Downtown Line may get rationalisation.
There are many bus routes duplicating the line along Bukit Timah Road and Bedok Reservoir Road, especially bus route 66.
66 can just be Bt Batok-Bedok
67 should give to SBST under Tampines-Little India
61 Bt Batok-New Bridge Rd.
61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
Come to think of it ur proposed 61 doesnt sound too bad. Idk if others would think that it would be a good idea to have regular bus services to terminate at RWS instead of the express/nightrider during the weekends currently
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
228 would need a few DDs if this is implemented.
Also, I wonder is 61's sector between Ubi and city completely unnecessary? Likewise between Holland and Chinatown/Bugis.
60 by then needs to be full fleet DD too
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
Dude - you can't scrap 852 and truncate 171 at the same time - at least 1 service must serve the Bt Timah Road section between Old Jurong Road and Farrer Road for Yishun folks.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
Dear Mr BusAnalayzer
We refer to your feedback of 13 June 2017.
Thank you for the detailed suggestion.
Please allow us to share that when planning for an efficient and effective bus network, we are guided by the principles to improve journey quality, enhance integration of public transport routes, strengthen the hub-and-spoke model, and ensure the overall financial viability of the public bus industry.
With any service amendment, there will be passengers who will potentially benefit, while others may be adversely affected. We need to assess the impact on the commuters carefully, before we make any amendment.
We have looked into your suggestion to amend bus services 61, 66, 67, 170, 171, 174, 178, 258, 700, 852 and 985, as well as introduce a new bus service 520.
Our studies showed that a significant group of existing passengers will be adversely affected if we amend Services 61, 66, 67, 170, 171, 174, 178, 258, 700, 852 and 985.
The amendment of Service 61 would result in a loss of direct link between Telok Blangah and Kallang Bahru, and between Kallang Bahru and Jalan Eunos.
The amendment of Service 66 would result in a loss of direct link between Ubi Avenue 2 and Bedok North Avenue 3, and between Bedok North Avenue 3 and MacPherson Road.
The amendment of Service 67 would result in a loss of direct link between Choa Chu Kang Way and Upper Bukit Timah Road, and between New Upper Changi Road and Bukit Timah Road.
The amendment of Service 170 would result in a loss of direct link between Rochor Canal Road and Queen Street, where Stamford Primary School is located.
The amendment of Service 171 would result in a loss of direct link between Yishun Avenue 5 and Dunearn Road, where many reputable schools like National Junior College and Hwa Chong Institution are located.
The amendment of Service 174 would result in a loss of direct link between Boon Lay Avenue and Jalan Jurong Kechil, where Ngee Ann Polytechnic is located.
The amendment of Service 178 would result in a loss of direct link between Corporation Road and Bukit Batok West Avenue 3, where Millennia Institute is located. It would also remove the direct link between Corporation Road and Woodlands Road, where many employment opportunities are located.
The amendment of Service 258 would increase the route length by about 15 kilometres. Already, the new route that loops around Boon Lay MRT station is about 17 kilometres. Extending the route further to Ayer Rajah Expressway (Jurong Town Hall Road) would increase the route to about 30 kilometres, which would drastically affect the reliability of Service 258.
The amendment of Service 700 would enhance the connection between Choa Chu Kang, Bukit Panjang and the Central Business District. However, the present demand is not sufficient for another bus connection between Choa Chu Kang and the Central Business District, and enhanced connection between Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Panjang. The existing bus services 75, 190, 970, 971E, 972 and 983 already provide the connection between Choa Chu Kang, Bukit Panjang and the Central Business District relatively well. Hence, there is no need for the amendment of Service 700 to Choa Chu Kang.
The removal of Service 852 would result in a loss of direct link between Yishun Avenue 2 and Dunearn Road, where many reputable schools like National Junior College and Hwa Chong Institution are located.
The amendment of Service 985 would result in a loss of direct link between Jalan Jurong Kechil and Boon Keng Road, where many employment opportunities are located. Residents of Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Batok who work at Boon Keng Road would be adversely affected.
With regards to your suggestion of new bus service 520, there are already many express bus services that run between Queen Street Bus Terminal and Larkin Bus Terminal. The suggestion of yours is not feasible as the present demand at Queen Street Bus Terminal does not warrant another express bus service to provide that connection.
In view of the above, we are sorry to inform you that we are unable to accede to your request.
Nonetheless, every feedback is important to us. We have noted your request and will take it into consideration when we review the bus network for the area.
Thank you for writing in.
Yours Sincerely
Gekpohboy
Member, Singapore Buses Forum
SgForums.com
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:61 - Bukit Batok Interchange <> Resorts World Sentosa
64 - NO Change
65 - NO Change
66 - Jurong East Interchange <> Eunos Interchange (via svc 61 route from Macpherson to Eunos). Missing link of 66 covered by svc 228 from Bedok Reservoir to Bedok & 65/DTL3 otherwise
67 - Tampines <> Cavenagh Road (loop)
74 - NO Change
154 - NO Change
156 - NO Change but reduced frequency
157 - NO Change
170 - Bukit Panjang <> Larkin
171 - Yishun Interchange <> Bukit Panjang DTL2 (loop)
174 - Boon Lay Interchange <> New Bridge Road Terminal via Old Jurong Road to cover for svc 852 missing link
178 - Woodlands Interchange <> Bukit Batok Interchange (loop)
258 - Joo Koon Interchange <> AYE (loop) - cover missing link of 178 between Corporation Rd & Boon Lay
700 - CCK Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
852 - SCRAPPED
960 - NO Change
961 - NO Change
970 - NO Change
986 - CCK Interchange <> Jalan Anak Bukit (loop)
520 Express - Queens Terminal <> Larkin (select stops duplicating DTL2) at 15-20 minute frequency
Would this cause a loss of links to those services?
Originally posted by array88:228 would need a few DDs if this is implemented.
Also, I wonder is 61's sector between Ubi and city completely unnecessary? Likewise between Holland and Chinatown/Bugis.
228 can get a few DDs.
61 is too winding for people to take it directly to Chinatown/Bugis in wake of other services. There are multiple other services from Holland such as 7, 174, 970 connecting different parts and much quicker. UBI to Bugis/Chinatown will be covered by DTL3.