Bus services that should not have been withdrawn/amended
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alr 12 years since rationalisation
by now ppl all used to it alr -.-
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I see many people still use bus.
If Service 97 end at Hougang, it will be faster than Service 51
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Originally posted by Path Light:
The impact on Service 111 is harsh. Maybe Service 502 end at Sengkang or Punggol and, can Service 82 end at Jurong East?
Hi mr pathlight, whatever over is over. The buses from west to northeast has been trimmed more than a decade ago. They are not going to come back. Are you serious when you mean Sbs 82 ends at jurong east. They already reduce it to serangoon central only and you still think they will extend all the way to jurong east???
For those lost services at northeast area, the authorities have implemented circle line MRT to compensate back. The circle line is very important for the northeast people to go west and east fast. We have a better alternative and we also will have new bus services coming up. Cheers. Thanks.
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Honestly, I feel that the Northeast does need more services towards the city. But of course not all the way to the east like what Path Light suggested.
There were really way too many services shortened or withdrawn during NEL Rationalisation. Now with Sengkang and Punggol towns developing rapidly and NEL getting more and more crowded, it's time to introduce more services for them to travel to the city, as an alternative to MRT.
It's true that MRT offers the fastest journey, but not necessarily the best. And just adding trains to NEL is not a solution. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't introduce express services from Punggol and Sengkang to the city, being full-day express services or peak-hour services. If services like 513 and 850E can become hot cakes even with MRT in place, such a service for Punggol will definitely be extremely popular. Don't forget that Punggol is now the only town (with a bus interchange) with NO services to CBD.
Normal trunk services are also not totally irrational. I do feel that the Northeast side (including Serangoon and Hougang) lacks something in the transport network... Maybe it's due to the mass truncation of services plying the northeast corridor, especially Serangoon Rd area. And regarding long services, if cross-island services such as (some terrible examples) 5, 14, 51 are doing okay (although their frequencies can be terrible), it may not be necessarily bad to have some longer services in the northeast - but not crucial.
Of course, I'm not supporting Path Light who's just crazily calling for all services to be extended back to where they were, without any considerations. I also know that my suggestions are unlikely to come true due to LTA's preferences.
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Service 51 not affected
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Service 51 not affected
That's because it doesn't run parallel to NEL ~
you might want to consider trying 51's route to see if my statement is true ;)
In fact, 51 only stops close to 3 NEL stations: Hougang (needless to say), Chinatown (JE Bound) and Clark Quay (HG bound).
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Service 2, 12, 33, 54, 61, 63, 80, 124, 143, 145, 147, 166, 174, 190, 197, 851, 961 and 970 also not affected
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I think the LTA should leave Service 81, 82, 97, 106, 111, 501, 502, 511 and 512 alone rather than shortening them
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Originally posted by array88:
Honestly, I feel that the Northeast does need more services towards the city. But of course not all the way to the east like what Path Light suggested.
There were really way too many services shortened or withdrawn during NEL Rationalisation. Now with Sengkang and Punggol towns developing rapidly and NEL getting more and more crowded, it's time to introduce more services for them to travel to the city, as an alternative to MRT.
It's true that MRT offers the fastest journey, but not necessarily the best. And just adding trains to NEL is not a solution. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't introduce express services from Punggol and Sengkang to the city, being full-day express services or peak-hour services. If services like 513 and 850E can become hot cakes even with MRT in place, such a service for Punggol will definitely be extremely popular. Don't forget that Punggol is now the only town (with a bus interchange) with NO services to CBD.
Normal trunk services are also not totally irrational. I do feel that the Northeast side (including Serangoon and Hougang) lacks something in the transport network... Maybe it's due to the mass truncation of services plying the northeast corridor, especially Serangoon Rd area. And regarding long services, if cross-island services such as (some terrible examples) 5, 14, 51 are doing okay (although their frequencies can be terrible), it may not be necessarily bad to have some longer services in the northeast - but not crucial.
Of course, I'm not supporting Path Light who's just crazily calling for all services to be extended back to where they were, without any considerations. I also know that my suggestions are unlikely to come true due to LTA's preferences.
Hi mr array88, don't forget that there is circle line which negates the need for long distance bus services. The truncation of the bus services to Northeast is being off settled by circle line implementation. With circle line, many northeast residents do rejoice. The authorities did introduce peak hour express services for sengkang residents. Soon another peak hour service will come to Punggol. But the way I see it, they are just scant consolations.
Who says adding trains to NEL is not a solution? It is one of the best solutions. The capacity will be largely boosted by arrival of 6 to 7 new trains for NEL. The frequency is currently not that great. This plan has already been endorsed long time ago and status is just waiting for the trains. You need large capacity trains to move people out of Northeast fast. Buses cannot take up this role. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by array88:
Honestly, I feel that the Northeast does need more services towards the city. But of course not all the way to the east like what Path Light suggested.
There were really way too many services shortened or withdrawn during NEL Rationalisation. Now with Sengkang and Punggol towns developing rapidly and NEL getting more and more crowded, it's time to introduce more services for them to travel to the city, as an alternative to MRT.
It's true that MRT offers the fastest journey, but not necessarily the best. And just adding trains to NEL is not a solution. I don't see a reason why we shouldn't introduce express services from Punggol and Sengkang to the city, being full-day express services or peak-hour services. If services like 513 and 850E can become hot cakes even with MRT in place, such a service for Punggol will definitely be extremely popular. Don't forget that Punggol is now the only town (with a bus interchange) with NO services to CBD.
Normal trunk services are also not totally irrational. I do feel that the Northeast side (including Serangoon and Hougang) lacks something in the transport network... Maybe it's due to the mass truncation of services plying the northeast corridor, especially Serangoon Rd area. And regarding long services, if cross-island services such as (some terrible examples) 5, 14, 51 are doing okay (although their frequencies can be terrible), it may not be necessarily bad to have some longer services in the northeast - but not crucial.
Of course, I'm not supporting Path Light who's just crazily calling for all services to be extended back to where they were, without any considerations. I also know that my suggestions are unlikely to come true due to LTA's preferences.
Good point made. Can have some Punggol - CBD, as well as Punggol - Woodlands/Sembawang/Bt Panjang services to link these towns. But not long, cross-islanders cutting through the CBD.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Good point made. Can have some Punggol - CBD, as well as Punggol - Woodlands/Sembawang/Bt Panjang services to link these towns. But not long, cross-islanders cutting through the CBD.
Hi mr AJQZC, I agree. Punggol to sembawang is coming up. As for those Punggol to CBD and other areas, I suggest if it is only for peak hours, the authorities can save it up. If it is a normal daily service, I suggest they make certain parts of the routes express. Feedback I received is that if the journey is going to be a stop by stop route, most people staying in northeast Punggol will still take MRT. The journey is unbearable for such long journeys. Sometimes people will rather give up going to other places or change destinations on weekends if they have to travel by long distance bus. They will rather hop on to MRT. For those who live in these super outskirts area, they will understand. I have on occasions heard that they rather take the cab. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr AJQZC, I agree. Punggol to sembawang is coming up. As for those Punggol to CBD and other areas, I suggest if it is only for peak hours, the authorities can save it up. If it is a normal daily service, I suggest they make certain parts of the routes express. Feedback I received is that if the journey is going to be a stop by stop route, most people staying in northeast Punggol will still take MRT. The journey is unbearable for such long journeys. Sometimes people will rather give up going to other places or change destinations on weekends if they have to travel by long distance bus. They will rather hop on to MRT. For those who live in these super outskirts area, they will understand. I have on occasions heard that they rather take the cab. Cheers. Thanks.
The point that I bold... Maybe the service should be something like Svc 70/70M or like Svc 128 only operate during peak hours only...
Maybe major bus stops can lorhx from Punggol to Sengkang MRT, Buangkok MRT, Hougang MRT, Kovan MRT then up the flyover towards City?
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
The point that I bold... Maybe the service should be something like Svc 70/70M or like Svc 128 only operate during peak hours only...
Maybe major bus stops can lorhx from Punggol to Sengkang MRT, Buangkok MRT, Hougang MRT, Kovan MRT then up the flyover towards City?
Hi mr SBS9256X, yes it is good. But we know it will not materialize. At least not in the short term. Cheers. Thanks.
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I think the old Service 85 almost runs parallel with Service 80. The old Service 85 also serve Orchard area
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Originally posted by Path Light:
I think the old Service 85 almost runs parallel with Service 80. The old Service 85 also serve Orchard area
No...
The old service 85 route is as follows:
Sengkang East Way, Rivervale Dr, Sengkang East Ave, Punggol Rd
Upp Serangoon Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Jln Besar, Bencoolen St, Penang Rd, Somerset Rd, Orchard Boulevard, Paterson Rd, Irwell Bank Rd, River Valley Rd, Lower Delta Rd, Kampong Bahru Rd, Telok Blangah RdSvc 80 route:
Compassvale Rd, Compassvale Dr, Punggol Rd, Hougang Ave 10/Central, Upp Serangoon Rd, Upp Paya Lebar Rd, Geylang East Central, Aljunied Rd, Geylang Rd, Kallang Rd, Crawford St, North Bridge Rd, South Bridge Rd, Tanjong Pagar Rd, Hoe Chiang Rd, Keppel Rd, Telok Blangah RdYou tell me now where is the same route besides the ones that are bold???
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The old Service 501, 511 and 512's routes need to confirm. What is the old route of Service 97 from Jurong East to Hougang? The old Service 97 runs slightly close to Service 51
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Old Service 97's route:
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Road, AYE, Buona Vista Flyover, AYE, Alexandra Road, Telok Blangah Road, Keppel Road, Anson Road, Robinson Road, Collyer Quay, Fullerton Road, Empress Place, Street Andrew's Road, Stamford Road, Prinsep Street, Selegie Road, Serangoon Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Hougang Avenue 2, Hougang Avenue 10 and Hougang Central
Service 51's route:
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pandan Gardens, West Coast Road, West Coast Highway, West Coast Road, Pasir Panjang Road, Alexandra Road, Queensway, Commonwealth Avenue, Alexandra Road, Ganges Avenue, Havelock Road, Eu Tong Sen Street, Hill Street, Victoria Street, Kallang Road, Sims Avenue, Jalan Eunos, Eunos Link, Hougang Avenue 3, Upper Serangoon Road and Hougang Central
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I think we want full day Express services like Service 502.
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Old Service 97's route:
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Road, AYE, Buona Vista Flyover, AYE, Alexandra Road, Telok Blangah Road, Keppel Road, Anson Road, Robinson Road, Collyer Quay, Fullerton Road, Empress Place, Street Andrew's Road, Stamford Road, Prinsep Street, Selegie Road, Serangoon Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Hougang Avenue 2, Hougang Avenue 10 and Hougang Central
Service 51's route:
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pandan Gardens, West Coast Road, West Coast Highway, West Coast Road, Pasir Panjang Road, Alexandra Road, Queensway, Commonwealth Avenue, Alexandra Road, Ganges Avenue, Havelock Road, Eu Tong Sen Street, Hill Street, Victoria Street, Kallang Road, Sims Avenue, Jalan Eunos, Eunos Link, Hougang Avenue 3, Upper Serangoon Road and Hougang Central
Svc 97:
Jurong East St 13, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Rd, AYE, Alexandra Rd, Telok Blangah Rd, Keppel Rd, Robinson Rd, Fullerton Rd, Connaught Dr, St Andrew's Rd, Stamford Rd, Selegie Rd, Serangoon Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Hougang Ave 2, Hougang Ave 10, Hougang CentralSvc 51:
Jurong East St 13, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Rd, Pandan Gardens, West Coast Rd, Pasir Panjang Rd, Alexandra Rd, Queensway, Commonwealth Ave, Alexandra Rd, Ganges Ave, Havelock Rd, Eu Tong Sen St, Hill St, Victoria St, Kallang Rd, Sims Ave, Jalan Eunos, Eunos Link, Hougang Ave 3, Tampines Rd, Hougang South IntYou tell me lah... Where is the similarity except for the roads in bold?? Please read up on your history first...
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I believe Service 97 serve Little India area with Service 81, 82, 106 and 111
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Originally posted by Path Light:
I believe Service 97 serve Little India area with Service 81, 82, 106 and 111
Hi mr pathlight, no more. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
501, 502, cityshopper
Yep. Service 511 and 512 too. Service 501 can end at Sengkang with Service 502.
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Why the LTA force us to squeeze in to have space in the MRT?! What if MRT breakdown? No Service 97 from Hougang to Jurong East and Service 502 from Sengkang to Boon Lay? Shame on you LTA. Please bring back Service 501, 511 and 512
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Why the LTA force us to squeeze in to have space in the MRT?! What if MRT breakdown? No Service 97 from Hougang to Jurong East and Service 502 from Sengkang to Boon Lay? Shame on you LTA. Please bring back Service 501, 511 and 512
What if.
- MRT breakdown. So? Very rare/occasional issue. Even if it does, you have free shuttle buses deployed. No one's asking you to take the public bus services. SMRT is clearly working on it with the sleeper replacements and orders for more trains, don't complain.
- MRT-bus rationalisation. Due to transport system relying mostly on the subway (i.e. MRT), for maximum deployment efficiency. History / debate on it here and here. Don't like it? Blame Ong Teng Cheong / LKY. Though there's nothing else you can do about it.
- Don't like squeezing? Too bad, SG has one of the densest populations in the world, 5+ million on ~700 sq km. All trains and popular bus services will be packed during peak hours. Don't like it? Go to work/study in a less crowded area, or migrate and leave SG.
- Still don't like it? Too bad. Transport systems adjust to the needs of the majority. If you are in the minority, you just have to adapt. Don't expect the transport system to adapt to YOU because you are oh so important, it doesn't work that way.
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Why the LTA force us to squeeze in to have space in the MRT?! What if MRT breakdown? No Service 97 from Hougang to Jurong East and Service 502 from Sengkang to Boon Lay? Shame on you LTA. Please bring back Service 501, 511 and 512
No 97 then take sv51 lah. No 502 then take 161/966/176 lah or take 50 change to 52 lah
this guy deserve to be ban